Toyota loses its way

On 2/12/2010 8:24 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:49:35 -0600, Ed Maier wrote:
>
>> On 2/12/2010 6:30 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:09:30 -0600, Ed Maier wrote:
>>>
>>>> Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
>>>> Corvair Monza,
>>>
>>> You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> God no.
>>
>> Ed Maier
>
> Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on the...er...yeah.
>
> It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time.
>
> However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair.
> (I live about 10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair
> parts...)
>
>
>
My '62 Monza had a tendency to "float" at speeds above 65 MPH. Seemed
like there was a lag in steering response at that speed, too. Never did
find out what caused it. Not sure anyone else had the same problem, but
it was very disconcerting.

Ed Maier

"Ed Maier" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/12/2010 8:24 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:49:35 -0600, Ed Maier wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/12/2010 6:30 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:09:30 -0600, Ed Maier wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
>>>>> Corvair Monza,
>>>>
>>>> You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> God no.
>>>
>>> Ed Maier
>>
>> Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on
>> the...er...yeah.
>>
>> It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time.
>>
>> However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair.
>> (I live about 10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair
>> parts...)
>>
>>
>>
> My '62 Monza had a tendency to "float" at speeds above 65 MPH. Seemed like
> there was a lag in steering response at that speed, too. Never did find
> out what caused it. Not sure anyone else had the same problem, but it was
> very disconcerting.
>
> Ed Maier
>
How effective could the steering be when the car is floating?

>>>> Ed Maier wrote:
>>>>> Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
>>>>> Corvair Monza,

>>> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>>>> You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?

>> Ed Maier wrote:
>>> God no.

> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>> Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on
>> the...er...yeah.
>> It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time.
>> However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair.
>> (I live about 10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair
>> parts...)

Ed Maier wrote:
> My '62 Monza had a tendency to "float" at speeds above 65 MPH. Seemed
> like there was a lag in steering response at that speed, too. Never did
> find out what caused it. Not sure anyone else had the same problem, but
> it was very disconcerting.

Add the air dam in the front. Dramatically improves handling
at speed. The '65~69 style will fit.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

"Ed Maier" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/12/2010 8:24 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:49:35 -0600, Ed Maier wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/12/2010 6:30 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:09:30 -0600, Ed Maier wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
>>>>> Corvair Monza,
>>>>
>>>> You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> God no.
>>>
>>> Ed Maier
>>
>> Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on
>> the...er...yeah.
>>
>> It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time.
>>
>> However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair.
>> (I live about 10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair
>> parts...)
>>
>>
>>
> My '62 Monza had a tendency to "float" at speeds above 65 MPH. Seemed like
> there was a lag in steering response at that speed, too. Never did find
> out what caused it. Not sure anyone else had the same problem, but it was
> very disconcerting.
>

You have to wait for the car to land before the steering works again ...

On 2/13/2010 1:44 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
> "Ed > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2/12/2010 8:24 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:49:35 -0600, Ed Maier wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/12/2010 6:30 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:09:30 -0600, Ed Maier wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
>>>>>> Corvair Monza,
>>>>>
>>>>> You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> God no.
>>>>
>>>> Ed Maier
>>>
>>> Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on
>>> the...er...yeah.
>>>
>>> It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time.
>>>
>>> However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair.
>>> (I live about 10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair
>>> parts...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> My '62 Monza had a tendency to "float" at speeds above 65 MPH. Seemed like
>> there was a lag in steering response at that speed, too. Never did find
>> out what caused it. Not sure anyone else had the same problem, but it was
>> very disconcerting.
>>
>
> You have to wait for the car to land before the steering works again ...
>
>
Well obviously that was the steering lag thing, but the "float" had me
mystified. Munzi in an earlier post mentioned an air dam install fix,
but I traded it in on a Mustang to get it out of my hair. I had
tentatively written it off because I was using tires from different
manufacturers on front and rear. (In any event, I was just guessing, and
I was ready for a new car anyhow.)

Ed Maier

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:04:22 -0600, dbu'' >
wrote:

>In article
>,
> john > wrote:
>
>> Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. I wonder if there will be
>> charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did
>> in the Mitsubishi case.
>>
>> "For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards
>>
>> Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s
>> U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that
>> someday, some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause
>> injuries, or worse, to the company's customers.
>>
>> Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed
>> Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of
>> covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including
>> its former president, had been arrested and charged."
>>
>> From The Detroit News:
>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...48/auto01/Toyo
>> ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza
>
>My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite
>a few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another
>Toyota without question.

I had one Toyota and one datun and they were both junk. My sister in
law had a Datsun and it was junk. They just don't hold up under hard
driving. They are made for little old ladies who will never push
them.

In message >, Ashton Crusher
> writes
>>> Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed
>>> Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of
>>> covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including
>>> its former president, had been arrested and charged."
I wouldn't call Mitsubishi small, it might not make a lot of cars
(though I do remember it's board of directors being hauled before a
court for knowingly allowing new cars to be sold with faulty brakes) but
they have fingers in lots of pies.
--
Clive

http://www.mitsubishi.com/e/history

Quite a few auto companies make other things than just
autos/trucks/vans.
cuhulin

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:21:03 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:04:22 -0600, dbu'' >
> wrote:
>
>>In article
>,
>> john > wrote:
>>
>>> Yoshi Inaba sounds like a clairvoyant. I wonder if there will be
>>> charges and arrests in the Toyota case as the Japanese government did
>>> in the Mitsubishi case.
>>>
>>> "For years, warning signs have clashed with its touted high standards
>>>
>>> Five years ago, Yoshi Inaba, then president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s
>>> U.S. sales operations, disclosed his biggest fear. It was that someday,
>>> some flaw in Toyota vehicles might go undetected and cause injuries, or
>>> worse, to the company's customers.
>>>
>>> Inaba was perhaps thinking of a huge scandal that had just engulfed
>>> Mitsubishi Motors Corp., a smaller Japanese carmaker accused of
>>> covering up defects for years. Top Mitsubishi executives, including its
>>> former president, had been arrested and charged."
>>>
>>> From The Detroit News:
>>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...48/auto01/Toyo
>>> ta-loses-its-way#ixzz0fHiJSPza
>>
>>My two Toyota's were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned quite a
>>few big three plus VW in my 67 years. I will buy another another Toyota
>>without question.
>
> I had one Toyota and one datun and they were both junk. My sister in law
> had a Datsun and it was junk. They just don't hold up under hard driving.
> They are made for little old ladies who will never push them.


Bull****. Toyotas love to be driven hard.

You can't equate "hard driving" with "total abuse".

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:52:15 -0600, Ed Maier wrote:

> On 2/13/2010 1:44 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> "Ed > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2/12/2010 8:24 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:49:35 -0600, Ed Maier wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/12/2010 6:30 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:09:30 -0600, Ed Maier wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Same here. My wife and I have owned a '52 Plymouth, '60 VW Bug, '62
>>>>>>> Corvair Monza,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You, uh, don't still have this, do you...?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> God no.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed Maier
>>>>
>>>> Why?!? Those were cool little cars. I had a '66, three on
>>>> the...er...yeah.
>>>>
>>>> It's problems were more than my technical capabilities at the time.
>>>>
>>>> However, if I had it now, I would have one cool Corvair. (I live about
>>>> 10 miles from the place in Mass that remanufactures Corvair parts...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> My '62 Monza had a tendency to "float" at speeds above 65 MPH. Seemed
>>> like there was a lag in steering response at that speed, too. Never did
>>> find out what caused it. Not sure anyone else had the same problem, but
>>> it was very disconcerting.
>>>
>>>
>> You have to wait for the car to land before the steering works again ...
>>
>>
> Well obviously that was the steering lag thing, but the "float" had me
> mystified. Munzi in an earlier post mentioned an air dam install fix, but
> I traded it in on a Mustang to get it out of my hair. I had tentatively
> written it off because I was using tires from different manufacturers on
> front and rear. (In any event, I was just guessing, and I was ready for a
> new car anyhow.)
>
> Ed Maier

That didn't help! And the skinny tires of the day sure weren't condusive
to more 'spritied' driving, even Tiger Paws!