Which pad is "better?" Ceramic or semi-metallic?

On 01/22/2012 09:35 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 01/22/2012 12:27 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> On 01/22/2012 06:13 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
>> <snip aimless indecisive incapable attention-seeking drivel>
>>
>>> Anyone use "Centric" brand rotors? My FLAPS has rotors (both styles) in
>>> stock but they are just standard rotors; I can get Centric brand ones
>>> with an e-coating for about the same price online and that would make me
>>> happy because I'm kind of a detail freak. Are there any reasons I should
>>> stay away from them?
>>
>> yes. but you tell us you're an "engineer". and if your degree really is
>> in engineering, and you got through without make-ups in "math history",
>> "wine tasting" and lego assembly, you should be able to do some homework
>> and figure it out for yourself.
>
> Which is what I'm attempting to do. Generally the only way one can
> assess the quality of parts that have to be ordered (e.g. no chance to
> inspect the merchandise beforehand, and in any way no way to evaluate
> quality of materials and/or presence/absence of residual stresses

the rest of your verbal bowel movement is not worthy of response. but
on this point, i simply have to mock.

no nate, there is no way for the [non engineer] consumer to evaluate
"residual stress", the "there be dragons fear factor" you're trying to
blather about. and if you knew why, you'd not even be trying to play
that game in the first place because it proves that you are indeed the
"history, tasting and lego" 6-year kind of "engineering" grad.

enjoy your nice warm sofa nate. i have to go get my hands dirty. and i
hope your brake disks are made by someone who slept thorough their
dumbed-down "materials for engineers" modules like you apparently did.


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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:35:03 -0500, Nate Nagel >
wrote:

>On 01/22/2012 12:27 PM, jim beam wrote:
> You and people like you are the reason moderated forums are
>sadly so popular.
>
>nate

You got that right.

http://www.impalaforums.com/chevy-im...e-rotor-2.html
"I put Centric Posi Quiet Pads and Centric Rotors on my cars and my
customer's cars, and they are really nice, and no issues. They even
have a coating on the rotors that prevent the ever famous rusting on
these cars."

FWIW. I just searched for "Centric."
And maybe the guy quoted above knows squat.
Still more info than you'll find here.
Might be more about them, might not.
Don't have an Impala, don't want one.

I registered on that forum just for kicks to do the search.
Didn't even require a link-back from email.

Looks like they still cover the old RWD Impalas too, so you have to
drill to W-body or 7th-gen or whatever it is.
Might be better Impala forums - or not.

A quick browse seems to not show the technical weight found in the
Bonneville forum, but I didn't look close.

One thing for sure, you won't run across any jim beams there, or any
bull**** about 20 year old Hondas.

--Vic

On 01/22/2012 01:51 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:35:03 -0500, Nate >
> wrote:
>
>> On 01/22/2012 12:27 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> You and people like you are the reason moderated forums are
>> sadly so popular.
>>
>> nate
>
> You got that right.
>
> http://www.impalaforums.com/chevy-im...e-rotor-2.html
> "I put Centric Posi Quiet Pads and Centric Rotors on my cars and my
> customer's cars, and they are really nice, and no issues. They even
> have a coating on the rotors that prevent the ever famous rusting on
> these cars."
>
> FWIW. I just searched for "Centric."
> And maybe the guy quoted above knows squat.
> Still more info than you'll find here.
> Might be more about them, might not.
> Don't have an Impala, don't want one.
>
> I registered on that forum just for kicks to do the search.
> Didn't even require a link-back from email.
>
> Looks like they still cover the old RWD Impalas too, so you have to
> drill to W-body or 7th-gen or whatever it is.
> Might be better Impala forums - or not.
>
> A quick browse seems to not show the technical weight found in the
> Bonneville forum, but I didn't look close.
>
> One thing for sure, you won't run across any jim beams there, or any
> bull**** about 20 year old Hondas.

It's actually not for the Impala - I wouldn't be working on that, it's
Frowned Upon - but for a Cherokee that I just picked up. I didn't see a
LOT of reviews, but I did see enough positive that I feel reasonably
comfortable ordering them. I tend to stick with known brands like
Raybestos or Bendix so I have some assurance of quality and up until a
few years ago I'd never heard the name Centric. And I do brake jobs so
seldom (I'm easy on brakes) and most of those are for collector type
cars where you really only have one or two choices for parts that fit,
so other than the big names I'm not real up on who's good and who's not.
It seems to be especially important to get good brakes on an XJ as the
general consensus seems to be that the brakes are barely adequate, and
mine does seem to require a healthy shove compared to most other
vehicles (haven't had to panic stop it yet, but no sense tempting fate,
especially when the inspector told me they were thin.)

Now to outside and pull a rotor so I can see which one to order... I'm
a couple hours behind as my roommate's jack (which he actually just
bought and I was the first person to use) didn't actually jack, so I had
to return it and get another one... I've actually got a good shop jack,
but it's farther away than the store...

nate



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On 1/22/2012 4:13 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
> On 01/22/2012 05:27 AM, m6onz5a wrote:
>> On Jan 18, 4:10 pm, Vic > wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:22:49 -0500, Nate >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Although I might just order some Performance Friction "carbon metallic"
>>>> and be done with it, they're actually cheaper online than any of the
>>>> parts store stuff. Then I'm running the risk of being porked though for
>>>> not having a valid inspection for a couple days...
>>>
>>> The only way to know is try them.
>>> There's unknown variables, like how they will affect rotors and the
>>> "feel" you want.
>>> I think the organics have the best "feel."
>>> But that might be pure imagination.
>>> I've got ceramics on my Lumina and my son has them on his Bonneville
>>> and his wife's Caddy.
>>> No complaints from me.
>>> Son's been doing all the brake jobs and checks pad wear frequently.
>>> Says they hardly wear, and don't heat up as the others do.
>>> They never screech like semi-metallics often do.
>>> Also says they're said to tear up rotors faster than the others but
>>> hasn't noticed that, and doesn't care since GM aftermarket rotors are
>>> about 15-20 bucks so if he sees scoring he just puts a new rotor on.
>>>
>>> --Vic
>>
>> stay away from organic pads. They wear out too fast.
>
> Well I ordered the PF pads... should be here in a day or two. Don't know
> if that was the "best" choice but they've had a good name for years so
> we'll see *shrug* Still have to order rotors though... wouldn't you know
> it, the vehicle I have apparently had a mid year break in rotor style
> and I need to actually get it up in the air and pull a rotor to tell
> which ones I need. Was planning on doing that yesterday but we had
> snow/freezing rain overnight... it's not any warmer today but at least
> it's dry. Fun fun!

My Lumina had rotors that you have to measure the diameter to be sure of
the part. I hate when they do that! I've bought rotors on eBay and it's
cheaper than getting it locally if the seller is smart and uses a
flat-rate box. Boy, my mailman hates that! I installed a set of cross
drilled rotors on my brother's Lumina. I can't tell you how they worked
but my brother said he was happy with them. I think it was less than
$140 for the rotors, disks, and shipping. Gosh, that's cheap!

>
> Anyone use "Centric" brand rotors? My FLAPS has rotors (both styles) in
> stock but they are just standard rotors; I can get Centric brand ones
> with an e-coating for about the same price online and that would make me
> happy because I'm kind of a detail freak. Are there any reasons I should
> stay away from them?
>
> nate
>

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:02:58 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:


>>
>> Well I ordered the PF pads... should be here in a day or two. Don't know
>> if that was the "best" choice but they've had a good name for years so
>> we'll see *shrug* Still have to order rotors though... wouldn't you know
>> it, the vehicle I have apparently had a mid year break in rotor style
>> and I need to actually get it up in the air and pull a rotor to tell
>> which ones I need. Was planning on doing that yesterday but we had
>> snow/freezing rain overnight... it's not any warmer today but at least
>> it's dry. Fun fun!
>
>My Lumina had rotors that you have to measure the diameter to be sure of
>the part. I hate when they do that! I've bought rotors on eBay and it's
>cheaper than getting it locally if the seller is smart and uses a
>flat-rate box. Boy, my mailman hates that! I installed a set of cross
>drilled rotors on my brother's Lumina. I can't tell you how they worked
>but my brother said he was happy with them. I think it was less than
>$140 for the rotors, disks, and shipping. Gosh, that's cheap!
>

Sounds good for drilled rotors.
I just go to local O'Reilly's and pick them up for $15-20 each.
Not drilled, just plain rotors.
They gave me the right ones for the Lumina
Only put on a few sets or rotors on cars, and they held up and were
never replaced.
Slight scores on rotors don't bother me.
When they get where they dig up the pads too fast I replace them.
Ever since I picked up rotors the FLAPS said fit my Celebrity, but
didn't, I bring the old ones in to match.
Try to do that with most parts.
The Celebrity had heavy-duty rotors for some reason.
They had them at the same store, but didn't ask me if that's what I
needed. And I didn't know squat.
Hell, it was a different bolt pattern.

--Vic

On Jan 22, 1:51*pm, Vic Smith > wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:35:03 -0500, Nate Nagel >
> wrote:
>
> >On 01/22/2012 12:27 PM, jim beam wrote:
> > You and people like you are the reason moderated forums are
> >sadly so popular.
>
> You got that right.

Pfft. Your bull**** detector is apparently inoperable.

Good luck finding a forum with unlimited tolerance for functionally
illiterate Googletards.

> http://www.impalaforums.com/chevy-im...sion/238820-wa...

> FWIW. *I just searched for "Centric."

Yeah? How hard was that...?

> I registered on that forum just for kicks to do the search.

Shoulda searched some more. You might have come across this gem:

"how to organize stuff in trunk?"
http://www.impalaforums.com/chevy-im...-in-trunk.html

Or this condemnation of his Impala:

"It's actually my company car, so I practically live in it. I'm
trying
to maintain this one properly, as by the time I'm due for a new
company car, I'll likely need a new personal vehicle as well, and I'm
gambling that the buyout on this one will be within my budget, and
that there won't be anything more appealing on the used market for the
same price."
http://www.motorsforum.com/gm/good-s...988-.htm#48095

> One thing for sure, you won't run across any jim beams there

<rolls eyes> Usenet is where nitwits come to be abused.
-----

- gpsman

On 01/23/2012 05:41 AM, gpsman wrote:
> On Jan 22, 1:51�pm, Vic > wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:35:03 -0500, Nate >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/22/2012 12:27 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>> You and people like you are the reason moderated forums are
>>> sadly so popular.
>>
>> You got that right.
>
> Pfft. Your bull**** detector is apparently inoperable.
>
> Good luck finding a forum with unlimited tolerance for functionally
> illiterate Googletards.
>
>> http://www.impalaforums.com/chevy-im...sion/238820-wa...
>
>> FWIW. �I just searched for "Centric."
>
> Yeah? How hard was that...?
>
>> I registered on that forum just for kicks to do the search.
>
> Shoulda searched some more. You might have come across this gem:
>
> "how to organize stuff in trunk?"
> http://www.impalaforums.com/chevy-im...-in-trunk.html

that is un-freakin-real.


>
> Or this condemnation of his Impala:
>
> "It's actually my company car, so I practically live in it. I'm
> trying
> to maintain this one properly, as by the time I'm due for a new
> company car, I'll likely need a new personal vehicle as well, and I'm
> gambling that the buyout on this one will be within my budget, and
> that there won't be anything more appealing on the used market for the
> same price."
> http://www.motorsforum.com/gm/good-s...988-.htm#48095
>
>> One thing for sure, you won't run across any jim beams there
>
> <rolls eyes> Usenet is where nitwits come to be abused.
> -----
>
> - gpsman


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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 05:41:51 -0800 (PST), gpsman
> wrote:

>On Jan 22, 1:51Â*pm, Vic Smith > wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:35:03 -0500, Nate Nagel >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 01/22/2012 12:27 PM, jim beam wrote:
>> > You and people like you are the reason moderated forums are
>> >sadly so popular.
>>
>> You got that right.
>
>Pfft. Your bull**** detector is apparently inoperable.
>
>Good luck finding a forum with unlimited tolerance for functionally
>illiterate Googletards.
>
>> http://www.impalaforums.com/chevy-im...sion/238820-wa...
>
>> FWIW. Â*I just searched for "Centric."
>
>Yeah? How hard was that...?
>
>> I registered on that forum just for kicks to do the search.
>
>Shoulda searched some more. You might have come across this gem:
>
>"how to organize stuff in trunk?"
>http://www.impalaforums.com/chevy-im...-in-trunk.html
>
>Or this condemnation of his Impala:
>
>"It's actually my company car, so I practically live in it. I'm
>trying
>to maintain this one properly, as by the time I'm due for a new
>company car, I'll likely need a new personal vehicle as well, and I'm
>gambling that the buyout on this one will be within my budget, and
>that there won't be anything more appealing on the used market for the
>same price."
>http://www.motorsforum.com/gm/good-s...988-.htm#48095
>
>> One thing for sure, you won't run across any jim beams there
>
><rolls eyes> Usenet is where nitwits come to be abused.
> -----
>
>- gpsman


I tried to stay on the rotor topic. Basically killing time, and I
enjoy car banter.
I know Nate is often full of ****.
Saw that back in '95 or '96 when he thought an old Dodge Dart he was
fixing was almost a "classic." Pure kid.
I unloaded my '74 Swinger on my father-in-law.
Always felt guilty about that.
I cried at his funeral mostly thinking about how I did him wrong.
Didn't matter the 225 was solid, the rest was junk.

Then Nate was complaining about the Impala steering wheel covering
coming off.
I told him that happens mainly because some drivers can't
resist gripping and twisting on the wheel like they did hard wheels.
You can't do that with covered wheels.
Think he just went away that time.

Not long ago he was trying to tutor me on Chevy lifter noise.
Tutor me on Chevy lifter noise.
That time I just went away. Too silly.

Now he posts asking about Centric rotors, but doesn't mention they're
for a CJ. And I go the Impala forum to look and he doesn't mention
he's been there.

Anyway, I forgive him all that, because bad as he is, he still talks
cars, even if I don't agree with him much.
No sense holding a grudge.
And jb is No 1 asshole here, and a Hondahead to boot.
Makes Nate look good to me.
All just part of usenet.

--Vic

On 1/22/2012 11:29 AM, Vic Smith wrote:
> Sounds good for drilled rotors.
> I just go to local O'Reilly's and pick them up for $15-20 each.
> Not drilled, just plain rotors.
> They gave me the right ones for the Lumina
> Only put on a few sets or rotors on cars, and they held up and were
> never replaced.
> Slight scores on rotors don't bother me.
> When they get where they dig up the pads too fast I replace them.
> Ever since I picked up rotors the FLAPS said fit my Celebrity, but
> didn't, I bring the old ones in to match.
> Try to do that with most parts.
> The Celebrity had heavy-duty rotors for some reason.
> They had them at the same store, but didn't ask me if that's what I
> needed. And I didn't know squat.
> Hell, it was a different bolt pattern.
>
> --Vic

I changed my front pads yesterday on my Hyundai Sonata. I wanted to
change the rotors but the darn things are held on with a couple of
screws so I need to dig up an impact wrench. If I can't find one, I'll
drill those suckers out. I don't intend to replace them either. :-)

I like the ceramic pads that I installed though. I anticipate not ever
hearing a peep or a squeak out of them. They were bought off from eBay
and they're pre-scorched. I don't know what that means but I hope that's
a good thing. :-)

On 01/23/2012 08:41 AM, gpsman wrote:
> On Jan 22, 1:51 pm, Vic > wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:35:03 -0500, Nate >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/22/2012 12:27 PM, jim beam wrote:
>>> You and people like you are the reason moderated forums are
>>> sadly so popular.
>>
>> You got that right.
>
> Pfft. Your bull**** detector is apparently inoperable.
>
> Good luck finding a forum with unlimited tolerance for functionally
> illiterate Googletards.
>
>> http://www.impalaforums.com/chevy-im...sion/238820-wa...
>
>> FWIW. I just searched for "Centric."
>
> Yeah? How hard was that...?
>
>> I registered on that forum just for kicks to do the search.
>
> Shoulda searched some more. You might have come across this gem:
>
> "how to organize stuff in trunk?"
> http://www.impalaforums.com/chevy-im...-in-trunk.html
>
> Or this condemnation of his Impala:
>
> "It's actually my company car, so I practically live in it. I'm
> trying
> to maintain this one properly, as by the time I'm due for a new
> company car, I'll likely need a new personal vehicle as well, and I'm
> gambling that the buyout on this one will be within my budget, and
> that there won't be anything more appealing on the used market for the
> same price."
> http://www.motorsforum.com/gm/good-s...988-.htm#48095

That was before I discovered the chronically warped brake rotors,
inability to maintain alignment, etc. My opinion of the car has changed
from "well, it's boring as dirt but I suppose it's tolerable" to "wow,
it's ****."

>
>> One thing for sure, you won't run across any jim beams there
>
> <rolls eyes> Usenet is where nitwits come to be abused.

Apparently that's all that you use it for.

nate


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