brake pipe body clamps?

(04 Cavalier)
I'm replacing some (rear) brake line. On their way to the back, the
lines go through brackets (/clamps? retainers?) that keep the lines (and
the 3 gas lines) aligned and secured to the chassis. The brackets have
rounded slots on one side to receive the pipes, and a hinged snap cover
to lock them in.

Questions:
- Is there a name for these? Google isn't finding anything for me.

- Does someone sell them?

- Is there a trick to getting the one in the center back (near the
canister) back on? It has me baffled. It came off OK, but it goes
right between a body channel and a gas tank strap mount, and I can't get
it open enough to get the upper (gas) line into its slot. Magic words
have not helped.

George wrote:
> (04 Cavalier)
> I'm replacing some (rear) brake line. On their way to the back, the
> lines go through brackets (/clamps? retainers?) that keep the lines (and
> the 3 gas lines) aligned and secured to the chassis. The brackets have
> rounded slots on one side to receive the pipes, and a hinged snap cover
> to lock them in.
>
> Questions:
> - Is there a name for these? Google isn't finding anything for me.

Brake line retainer clips

>
> - Does someone sell them?

http://www.tonkinonlineparts.com/

>
> - Is there a trick to getting the one in the center back (near the
> canister) back on? It has me baffled. It came off OK, but it goes
> right between a body channel and a gas tank strap mount, and I can't get
> it open enough to get the upper (gas) line into its slot. Magic words
> have not helped.

You need better magic... That and understand that those lines are one of
the first items installed on the assy. line and then the other stuff is
attached. You might need to loosen the strap or just use more force...

--
Steve W.

On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:40:36 -0400, George > wrote:

>(04 Cavalier)
>I'm replacing some (rear) brake line. On their way to the back, the
>lines go through brackets (/clamps? retainers?) that keep the lines (and
>the 3 gas lines) aligned and secured to the chassis. The brackets have
>rounded slots on one side to receive the pipes, and a hinged snap cover
>to lock them in.
>
>Questions:
>- Is there a name for these? Google isn't finding anything for me.

Reminds me: For a different repair, I thought I needed a new Bearing
Lock Bolt. The parts guy at the Toyota dealer, who I think had been
selling parts for Toyota since 1981, said he never heard of that, even
though it's the very name used in the shop manual (FSM).

Took my VIN number and brought up exploded views. Not on them. I look
and don't see it either.

He went to the shop and a mechanic showed him where it was. Now he
believes me. Probably used on every FWD car Toyota made for years.
But mechanic can't find the part on the exploded view.

Comes back. Still can't find the part.

Calls Toyota. Line busy. Says he'll get them later today and call me
when there's an answer. Says answers usually take at least a day.

Calls the next day, leaves message. I call back, get someone else, no
part listed under my name, leave message. First guy calls back. In
this situation, he lists the parts under his own name.

Get the part the next day. He says it was on the exploded view, but the
sketch of it was longer than it should have been and pointed the wrong
direction. Part itself is not labeled bearing lock bolt, but "bolt, w/
washer". It's special because it has a 3/16 thick piece of rubber on
the end. Buy it. Only $3.15. I thought it might be $10.

Go home. I've already, between day one and two, looked under the car
for the rubber piece, and I've looked for a 6x6" piece of rubber my
mother bought for repairs about 50 years ago, which was in like new
condition when I saw it 10 yeas ago. I know where it should be, but
it's not there. :-(

Decide I should have looked in the hole. If I don't, I may have two
layers of rubber. By golly it's there. Takes 5 minutes to pry it out.
Looks good as new.

Glue it to the original bolt. Torque to proper value. Return new bolt
for cash.

>- Does someone sell them?

The Chevy dealer.

>- Is there a trick to getting the one in the center back (near the
>canister) back on? It has me baffled. It came off OK, but it goes
>right between a body channel and a gas tank strap mount, and I can't get
>it open enough to get the upper (gas) line into its slot. Magic words
>have not helped.

On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:35:21 -0400, "Steve W." >
wrote:

>George wrote:
>> (04 Cavalier)
>> I'm replacing some (rear) brake line. On their way to the back, the
>> lines go through brackets (/clamps? retainers?) that keep the lines (and
>> the 3 gas lines) aligned and secured to the chassis. The brackets have
>> rounded slots on one side to receive the pipes, and a hinged snap cover
>> to lock them in.
>>
>> Questions:
>> - Is there a name for these? Google isn't finding anything for me.
>
>Brake line retainer clips
>
>>
>> - Does someone sell them?
>
>http://www.tonkinonlineparts.com/
>
>>
>> - Is there a trick to getting the one in the center back (near the
>> canister) back on? It has me baffled. It came off OK, but it goes
>> right between a body channel and a gas tank strap mount, and I can't get
>> it open enough to get the upper (gas) line into its slot. Magic words
>> have not helped.
>
>You need better magic... That and understand that those lines are one of
>the first items installed on the assy. line and then the other stuff is
>attached. You might need to loosen the strap or just use more force...

I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but, after reading that, I
disconnected the gas lines, which let the whole rats' nest drop away
from the valley it was in. Then, just snap the pipes into the retainer,
close the latch, and screw the whole thing back into position.
Easy-peasy.

So, thanks.

(OP)
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:40:36 -0400, George > wrote:

>(04 Cavalier)
>I'm replacing some (rear) brake line. On their way to the back, the
>lines go through brackets (/clamps? retainers?) that keep the lines (and
>the 3 gas lines) aligned and secured to the chassis. The brackets have
>rounded slots on one side to receive the pipes, and a hinged snap cover
>to lock them in.
>
>Questions:
>- Is there a name for these? Google isn't finding anything for me.
>
>- Does someone sell them?

> ... Brake line retainer clips

There's one retainer (maybe #23 on the dwg at the link below.) It's
right on the engine side, where the lines go under the firewall. I can
just barely touch it, going through the wheel well. It's over the frame
cross-member, and not accessible from below. No access form above,
except _maybe_ by pulling the ABS module.

(Note: there's another retainer a little higher up - probably #42 on the
dwg. I've been able to release that one.)

So, am I just missing something? What do ppl do, when they're doing an
end-to-end line replacement? There's a youtube video (link below),
where the guy just ignores the retainers, and tie-wraps the new
(Ni-Copp) line to the old ones. It looked a little sketchy, to me.

thanks.


Link to dwg:
http://www.tonkinonlineparts.com/sho...modelYear=2004

YouTube link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAjSo-eSRKw

"George" wrote:

> >(04 Cavalier)
> >I'm replacing some (rear) brake line.

> What do ppl do, when they're doing an end-to-end line replacement?
> There's a youtube video (link below), where the guy just ignores the
> retainers, and tie-wraps the new (Ni-Copp) line to the old ones.
> It looked a little sketchy, to me.

If you can get the retainers open, AND get the new lines into them, great.
If not, we also do the tie-wrap thing all the time, usually on pickups where
the rusted-out lines run between the fuel tank and the frame.

The retainers are basically there to keep the lines from rubbing other parts
and getting holes, to keep them from hanging down and getting snagged
on whatever it was you just drove over, and to keep them out of the way on
the assembly line.

If I can't get a new line into a retainer for whatever reason, I'll cut a short
piece of rubber fuel line, slit it end-to-end, slip it over the line to act as a
cushion, and tie-wrap the cushion to the old line or whatever else is handy.
As long as it's snug, and sorta where it was before, nothing else matters.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:15:36 -0700, "Sanity Clause"
> wrote:

>"George" wrote:
>
>> >(04 Cavalier)
>> >I'm replacing some (rear) brake line.
>
>> What do ppl do, when they're doing an end-to-end line replacement?
>> There's a youtube video (link below), where the guy just ignores the
>> retainers, and tie-wraps the new (Ni-Copp) line to the old ones.
>> It looked a little sketchy, to me.
>
>If you can get the retainers open, AND get the new lines into them, great.
>If not, we also do the tie-wrap thing all the time, usually on pickups where
>the rusted-out lines run between the fuel tank and the frame.
>
>The retainers are basically there to keep the lines from rubbing other parts
>and getting holes, to keep them from hanging down and getting snagged
>on whatever it was you just drove over, and to keep them out of the way on
>the assembly line.
>
>If I can't get a new line into a retainer for whatever reason, I'll cut a short
>piece of rubber fuel line, slit it end-to-end, slip it over the line to act as a
>cushion, and tie-wrap the cushion to the old line or whatever else is handy.
>As long as it's snug, and sorta where it was before, nothing else matters.

I gather you don't worry a lot about following the twists and turns of
the OEM pipe, then? That is considerable relief.

(For what it matters, I did get that clamp released. The clasp is on
the outboard side, and I was able to pop it free just by pressing on it
with a long screwdriver. I think it will be easier getting through the
firewall, with the old pipes out of the way.)

George wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:15:36 -0700, "Sanity Clause"
> > wrote:
>
>> "George" wrote:
>>
>>
>> If I can't get a new line into a retainer for whatever reason, I'll cut a short
>> piece of rubber fuel line, slit it end-to-end, slip it over the line to act as a
>> cushion, and tie-wrap the cushion to the old line or whatever else is handy.
>> As long as it's snug, and sorta where it was before, nothing else matters.
>
> I gather you don't worry a lot about following the twists and turns of
> the OEM pipe, then? That is considerable relief.
>
> (For what it matters, I did get that clamp released. The clasp is on
> the outboard side, and I was able to pop it free just by pressing on it
> with a long screwdriver. I think it will be easier getting through the
> firewall, with the old pipes out of the way.)
>

Like everything on a car the lines are installed in a way to make
assembly easier. They are one of the first items installed and they are
bent so that they stay out of the way and don't get damaged down the
line. That also means that trying to replicate them can be a real PIA.

Replacement can be a real PIA. If it's possible I'll run them in factory
locations. If it's a problem then I just make sure they are installed to
keep them from being damaged.

--
Steve W.

"George" wrote:

> >As long as it's snug, and sorta where it was before, nothing else matters.
>
> I gather you don't worry a lot about following the twists and turns of
> the OEM pipe, then? That is considerable relief.

I try if possible, but since the lines are often covered by things installed later,
sometimes "sorta" is as good as it gets.