Oil-filter removal (2004 Jeep Liberty)

I have to file that away..."whinetit?" never heard that before. I can think
of a lot of folks who fit that description.

I wonder if there is available a remote oil filter mount for the Liberty?

"Kate" > wrote in message
...
I remember thinking that she was being a whinetit and went
> out to look at it for myself and having a bit more respect for her after I
> saw what she was up against.
>
> Kate
> 06 - uhh... what's that little white thing called again?
> oh yea RUBICON!
> Oh yea, you can reach the filter on this one just fine ¦¬D
>
> "billy ray" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Maybe we need to get Kate involved in this discussion. She used to have
>> a
>> Libby....
>>
>>
>> Is this what your engine looks like?
>>
>> http://www.wkjeeps.com/photos/wk_3_7_engine.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Lon" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> proclaimed:
>>>
>>>> The removal tool did NOT destroy the oil filter; it just rounded-off
>>>> the flutes on the filter.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I need to find something that will grab onto the filter so it can
>>>> be unscrewed.
>>>>
>>> Well, you've exhausted or ignored all of the common sense suggestions,
>>> so
>>> perhaps you might consider seeing if a local zoo has a spare gorilla?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

OUCH!
You made my head hurt!

Whinetit - a whiner who is without just cause.

geeze... I thought you were a fart smeller! I mean, smart feller.

Kate
06 Rhoobeekwan


"billy ray" > wrote in message
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> 1. whinetit 4 thumbs up
>
> Whinetit is frankly a little bitch on the internet who is usually one
> of those scrubs yelling "0MFG H4X0|2 IMMA S3ND A VI|2U5 IN UR COMPUTER!".
> Given to people because of the fact that they whine like little babies who
> don't have a titty in there mouth to shut them up.
>
> "DAT ASHSOLE CHETZ>OMG HACKER!"
> "Stfu, whinetit."
>
> by Hadraniel Jan 10, 2005 email it
>
> www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whinetit
>
>
> I'm not sure I understand much in the definition or example but the
> term itself brings an image to mind.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Kate" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Whan my daughter worked (very briefly) at the service center of the Jeep
>> dealership, she came home one day telling me
>> "Mom, Liberty's SUCK!! If you ever need the oil changed on yours, don't
>> bring it to me"
>>
>> Evidently they are VERY hard to get to, even for her scrawny little arms.
>>
>> I'm sure glad she gave up being a lube jockey...
>>
>> Kate
>>
>> "Eric" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Use the metal strap type... should be just fine. Although it's messy,
>>> the
>>> screwdriver method will work. You don't have to turn it far -- just
>>> break
>>> it loose. Then you can do it by hand or with the strap style you have
>>> now. Like everyone said -- it is messy. Before I got a cap-style for my
>>> motorcycle, I used the screwdriver method (two or three oil changes).
>>> It
>>> worked every time but made a mess.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> 99 TJ SE
>>> > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>>I tried the strap-type oil-filter wrench shown at:
>>>>
>>>> http://automotive.hardwarestore.com/...h--635959.aspx
>>>>
>>>> I put the nylon strap around the filter and attached one end of an 1/2"
>>>> extension-bar to the end of the oil-filter wrench and the other end to
>>>> a socket wrench.
>>>>
>>>> I turned the wrench as hard as I could but the oil filter would NOT
>>>> unscrew. (I didn't try harder because I was afraid the oil filter might
>>>> collapse and then it'd become more of a bear to remove).
>>>>
>>>> Running a big screwdriver through the filter and using it as a lever to
>>>> turn the filter sounds good but I don't think there's enough room to
>>>> reach the screwdriver to turn it.
>>>>
>>>> Any other ideas?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>
>

There ought to be Matt, it's in a damned akward spot.
I remember thinking I would have to dismantle something to get to it.
..
Now see.. this is how you could make your first million!

Kate

"Matt Macchiarolo" > wrote in message
. ..
>I have to file that away..."whinetit?" never heard that before. I can think
>of a lot of folks who fit that description.
>
> I wonder if there is available a remote oil filter mount for the Liberty?
>
> "Kate" > wrote in message
> ...
> I remember thinking that she was being a whinetit and went
>> out to look at it for myself and having a bit more respect for her after
>> I saw what she was up against.
>>
>> Kate
>> 06 - uhh... what's that little white thing called again?
>> oh yea RUBICON!
>> Oh yea, you can reach the filter on this one just fine ¦¬D
>>
>> "billy ray" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Maybe we need to get Kate involved in this discussion. She used to have
>>> a
>>> Libby....
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this what your engine looks like?
>>>
>>> http://www.wkjeeps.com/photos/wk_3_7_engine.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Lon" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>> proclaimed:
>>>>
>>>>> The removal tool did NOT destroy the oil filter; it just rounded-off
>>>>> the flutes on the filter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, I need to find something that will grab onto the filter so it can
>>>>> be unscrewed.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, you've exhausted or ignored all of the common sense suggestions,
>>>> so
>>>> perhaps you might consider seeing if a local zoo has a spare gorilla?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Removing the oil filter is a bear! Once you push your arm between the
tie-rod and the fan shroud and reach the filter, there's no room to get
a good grip on the filter to screw it off.

===============================

When my new Liberty reached 2,500 miles, I couldn't get the
factory-installed oil filter off so I ended up taking the Liberty to a
quick-lube-place to have the oil changed and the oil filter replaced.
(Apparently, the factory put the filter without oiling the rubber
gasket and must've used an impact wrench).

===============================

Then, at 5,000 miles, I changed the oil and replaced the oil filter
with almost no effort. I oiled the rubber basket on the oil filter then
snugged up the filter by hand and turned it another 1/4 turn.

===============================

Now, at 8,000 miles, I first tried a oil-filter end cup (or cap). For
pictu

http://ace.imageg.net/graphics/produ...1000242reg.jpg

The cup fits snugly over the fluted end of the oil filter. One end of
a 3/8" extension bar goes in the square hole on the back of the cup and
the other end of the bar goes in a socket wrench.

When I turned the cup, it rounded-off the flutes and just spun.

================================

I then tried a nylon strap-type oil-filter "wrench". For pictu

http://www.dodgetopia.com/images/KD-3149.jpg

The nylon strap goes around the oil filter and one end of a 3/8"
extension bar goes in the end of the handle and the other end attaches
to a socket wrench

As the extension bar turned, it tightened the strap around the oil
filter. When it didn't unscrew the oil filter, I stopped, fearing it
would rip apart the filter and I'd have an even more-difficult time
getting the torn filter off the mount.

================================

Is there anyone out there that has actually changed the oil-filter on a
Liberty? What tool did you use

wrote:

>
> Is there anyone out there that has actually changed the oil-filter on a
> Liberty? What tool did you use
>
The tool you tried should work fine. The main problem is that just
about everyone over tightens the filter. Seems like people think it has
to be real tight so it won't leak. Most filters only require 1/2 to 3/4
quarter turn after the gasket contacts the mating surface. Check the
box and only tighten the amount it says; makes it come off easy!

--
Jim

wrote:
> Is there anyone out there that has actually changed the oil-filter on
> a Liberty? What tool did you use

I've been reading this thread since the beginning, and unless the '05
location is different from the '04, I can't figure out what the problem is.

I've changed the filter the wife's Liberty five times over the last year,
and have not had any trouble. I use a filter-end 'cup' type. I go in from
the top. The only thing I can't remember is if I use a 3/8" ratchet, or a
1/2" ratchet w/3/8" reducer.

I have had the cup slip off, but found that once it is seated well on the
filter, it works like a charm.

Larry

Wow, you are thick....

A whole new thread and you forgot to show that 'YOU' broke your oil
filter by leaving the 'removal' tool on it when you 'installed' it with
the 'removal' tool last time.

Leaving that out of this new thread is BS.

There are no short cuts now, the filter is damaged and put on too
tight. If it 'wasn't put on too tight, the strap would have worked.
Simple. The proper tool will now not work.

I would recommend you take it to a professional cheapie lube place and
play dumb about the damage. Hopefully they don't have to pull the
engine out to fix it.

Just my $0.02.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

wrote:
>
> Removing the oil filter is a bear! Once you push your arm between the
> tie-rod and the fan shroud and reach the filter, there's no room to get
> a good grip on the filter to screw it off.
>
> ===============================
>
> When my new Liberty reached 2,500 miles, I couldn't get the
> factory-installed oil filter off so I ended up taking the Liberty to a
> quick-lube-place to have the oil changed and the oil filter replaced.
> (Apparently, the factory put the filter without oiling the rubber
> gasket and must've used an impact wrench).
>
> ===============================
>
> Then, at 5,000 miles, I changed the oil and replaced the oil filter
> with almost no effort. I oiled the rubber basket on the oil filter then
> snugged up the filter by hand and turned it another 1/4 turn.
>
> ===============================
>
> Now, at 8,000 miles, I first tried a oil-filter end cup (or cap). For
> pictu
>
> http://ace.imageg.net/graphics/produ...1000242reg.jpg
>
> The cup fits snugly over the fluted end of the oil filter. One end of
> a 3/8" extension bar goes in the square hole on the back of the cup and
> the other end of the bar goes in a socket wrench.
>
> When I turned the cup, it rounded-off the flutes and just spun.
>
> ================================
>
> I then tried a nylon strap-type oil-filter "wrench". For pictu
>
> http://www.dodgetopia.com/images/KD-3149.jpg
>
> The nylon strap goes around the oil filter and one end of a 3/8"
> extension bar goes in the end of the handle and the other end attaches
> to a socket wrench
>
> As the extension bar turned, it tightened the strap around the oil
> filter. When it didn't unscrew the oil filter, I stopped, fearing it
> would rip apart the filter and I'd have an even more-difficult time
> getting the torn filter off the mount.
>
> ================================
>
> Is there anyone out there that has actually changed the oil-filter on a
> Liberty? What tool did you use

Does the strap wrench just 'slip' when you try to turn it?

It may just require a quick shot of solvent like brake cleaner (doesn't
leave a residue) on the filter can and wrench strap to clean off any
accumulated oils.

Install the strap wrench as close to the base as possible and give it a
spin. It is doubtful you will damage the filter.

If it continues to slip you might try laying a strip of sandpaper inside the
strap, the granules will bite into the can.

Perhaps a friend/neighbor with more mechanical experience can lend hand.

Your only other choice is going to your corner quickie lube. Be aware,
however, that they have a reputation for over-tightening filters.

I have one of those cap tools that I got 25-30 years ago and is made of
steel of good thickness, the new ones I see at the auto-parts store look to
be stamped from tin and pretty flimsy. If you want to use one try to find a
stout model. Also they make lots of different sizes, are you sure you have
the EXACT one?

We have all done silly things at one time or another, especially when we
were younger and had less experience...... He has learned a valuable lesson,
now give him a break.




"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
> Wow, you are thick....
>
> A whole new thread and you forgot to show that 'YOU' broke your oil
> filter by leaving the 'removal' tool on it when you 'installed' it with
> the 'removal' tool last time.
>
> Leaving that out of this new thread is BS.
>
> There are no short cuts now, the filter is damaged and put on too
> tight. If it 'wasn't put on too tight, the strap would have worked.
> Simple. The proper tool will now not work.
>
> I would recommend you take it to a professional cheapie lube place and
> play dumb about the damage. Hopefully they don't have to pull the
> engine out to fix it.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> wrote:
>>
>> Removing the oil filter is a bear! Once you push your arm between the
>> tie-rod and the fan shroud and reach the filter, there's no room to get
>> a good grip on the filter to screw it off.
>>
>> ===============================
>>
>> When my new Liberty reached 2,500 miles, I couldn't get the
>> factory-installed oil filter off so I ended up taking the Liberty to a
>> quick-lube-place to have the oil changed and the oil filter replaced.
>> (Apparently, the factory put the filter without oiling the rubber
>> gasket and must've used an impact wrench).
>>
>> ===============================
>>
>> Then, at 5,000 miles, I changed the oil and replaced the oil filter
>> with almost no effort. I oiled the rubber basket on the oil filter then
>> snugged up the filter by hand and turned it another 1/4 turn.
>>
>> ===============================
>>
>> Now, at 8,000 miles, I first tried a oil-filter end cup (or cap). For
>> pictu
>>
>> http://ace.imageg.net/graphics/produ...1000242reg.jpg
>>
>> The cup fits snugly over the fluted end of the oil filter. One end of
>> a 3/8" extension bar goes in the square hole on the back of the cup and
>> the other end of the bar goes in a socket wrench.
>>
>> When I turned the cup, it rounded-off the flutes and just spun.
>>
>> ================================
>>
>> I then tried a nylon strap-type oil-filter "wrench". For pictu
>>
>> http://www.dodgetopia.com/images/KD-3149.jpg
>>
>> The nylon strap goes around the oil filter and one end of a 3/8"
>> extension bar goes in the end of the handle and the other end attaches
>> to a socket wrench
>>
>> As the extension bar turned, it tightened the strap around the oil
>> filter. When it didn't unscrew the oil filter, I stopped, fearing it
>> would rip apart the filter and I'd have an even more-difficult time
>> getting the torn filter off the mount.
>>
>> ================================
>>
>> Is there anyone out there that has actually changed the oil-filter on a
>> Liberty? What tool did you use

Around 8/28/2006 8:21 PM, Eric wrote:

> Yup, that's what I use. Have two sizes for the two sizes of filters my
> vehicles use.

I've also got two of those metal strap wrenches (somewhere).

Wouldn't you know it, this weekend when I went to change the oil the
filter was on about half a turn too tight to unscrew by hand. Of course,
that meant I couldn't find either wrench. So, I ended up using one of these:

http://tinyurl.com/gytef

Worked like a charm with no puncturing and minimal crushing... No big
ass screwdriver needed this time!



>
> Eric
> "L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
> ...
>> This is the type I use:
>> http://all-tool.com/BY_MASTER_CATAGO...wrenches_2.htm
>> Slide it up as near the threaded end as possible to avoid crushing the
>> can.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> http://www.billhughes.com/
>


--
~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
{ }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"

Neighbor of mine shredded a filter right down to the base trying to get
it off.
With nothing more than the flat base to grab, we drug my mig welder over
and tacked a bar across it... figuring it would give some leverage to
spin it off.
The mig provided just enough heat to soften the rubber ring and the base
spun off without needing to tug on the bar.