GM done with CVT

In article >,
says...
> In article >,
> Dan Duncan > wrote:
>
> > Isn't it enough to make fun of them for getting an automatic in
> > the first place?
>
> More useful to make fun of them for getting a BMW. Most overrated cars
> next to Lexus. And I don't understand Lexus snobs at all. It's a
> rebadged Toyota, nothing more.
>

Lexus, Rebadged and Overpriced. Only a handfull of "old" BMW's I
actually liked (2 seaters mostly) and even if I owned one I'd probably
feel like a pompous ass driving one... Nothing in over 2 decades has
been worth owning by BMW.

In article >,
Blah Blah > wrote:

> Lexus, Rebadged and Overpriced.

And Lexus snobs HATE it when you point out...It's a Toyota. It drives
them off the wall.

"But it's a BETTER Toyota!!!"

'Uh, dude, it's the SAME FREAKING CAR, with a different trim level'

"No it's not!!! Lexus is built a lot better!!!"

If you've ever seen an older Lexus next to a same year Camary, they look
identical, and are falling apart in identical ways, too.

> Only a handfull of "old" BMW's I
> actually liked (2 seaters mostly) and even if I owned one I'd probably
> feel like a pompous ass driving one...

I've seen some really old BMWs, with drum brakes and all. I'd get one
for the old car appeal, but I'm not into BMW. They make a decent bike,
though - the old ones are like harleys, you can get parts for them and
they run forever, albeit a bit nicer than a same age Harley :/

> Nothing in over 2 decades has been worth owning by BMW.

A friend of mine drove his friend's Z3, commented it's slower than his
Caprice (this was the first year Z3 with the crappy 4 banger), the ride
quality stunk (something I've noticed BMW excels at), and he didn't
think it was overall that great. The BMWs I've been in didn't impress
me much - lousy heat, for one, harsh ride, and not all that great.

But, oh, they're pricy. And they break in expensive ways.

Don't get me started on iDrive, either. Or BMW drivers in general...

IMHO, BMW is slowly but surely turning into nothing more than an
overpriced Chevy for snobs. Every dip out there has oe, they're really
not that reliable, they SUCK in bad weather, and they're a mass produced
bang together car like everything else. Hell, even a Benz is a POS
these days - they're gone REALLY downmarket, vs the old ones.

> I've seen some really old BMWs, with drum brakes and all. I'd get one
> for the old car appeal, but I'm not into BMW. They make a decent bike,
> though - the old ones are like harleys, you can get parts for them and
> they run forever, albeit a bit nicer than a same age Harley :/

1956-59 507's were probably the few best looking BMW cars made. I like
the horizontally opposed BMW bikes with the funky looking suspension set
ups. Thats about it.


> > Nothing in over 2 decades has been worth owning by BMW.
>
> A friend of mine drove his friend's Z3, commented it's slower than his
> Caprice (this was the first year Z3 with the crappy 4 banger), the ride
> quality stunk (something I've noticed BMW excels at), and he didn't
> think it was overall that great. The BMWs I've been in didn't impress
> me much - lousy heat, for one, harsh ride, and not all that great.

The Z3 was a 35,000 dollar car new and boy what a waste of money. Save
another 10k and buy Corvette that was 100 times the sports car. The only
thing the Z3 had going for it was its looks. I seen a few ragged out
Z3's and boy do those looks disappear quick. It really stands out as a
cheaply made car once the bumpers hanging off and body panels dont line
up. Probably from shaking apart.

> But, oh, they're pricy. And they break in expensive ways.
>
> Don't get me started on iDrive, either. Or BMW drivers in general...
>
> IMHO, BMW is slowly but surely turning into nothing more than an
> overpriced Chevy for snobs. Every dip out there has oe, they're really
> not that reliable, they SUCK in bad weather, and they're a mass produced
> bang together car like everything else. Hell, even a Benz is a POS
> these days - they're gone REALLY downmarket, vs the old ones.

These days? They havent made anything special since the 50's.

In article >,
Blah Blah > wrote:

> I like
> the horizontally opposed BMW bikes with the funky looking suspension set
> ups. Thats about it.

They're nice bikes (The funky suspension in the back? I thought it was
Indian who had that first?). Recent ones are an aquired taste, not to
mention flaky - they have numerous electrical gremlins. BMW riders are
less snobbish than Goldwingers, at least...

> The Z3 was a 35,000 dollar car new and boy what a waste of money. Save
> another 10k and buy Corvette that was 100 times the sports car.

Yeah, no kidding. The Corvette, as much as people hate to hear it, is
one of the best bang/buck performance cars out there. Plus, parts are
available, well, at your local Chevy dealer

> The only thing the Z3 had going for it was its looks.

I thought they were ugly. The newer roadsters that use the roundels on
the sides as turn signals would be coooler if the things popped out for
a turn, then popped back in. But hey....

> It really stands out as a
> cheaply made car once the bumpers hanging off and body panels dont line
> up. Probably from shaking apart.

Look at any 5 year old BMW. They fall apart quick. Oh yeah, notice the
X5s around with the plastic shields around the exhausts in the bumpers
missing.

Do they still use that silly rubber donut CV joint that blows up every
50,000 miles or so?

Other beef? They're ****ing expensive cars to repair, the dealers are
assholes, and they break a lot.

> These days? They havent made anything special since the 50's.

I seriously don't get BMWs. You'd think a so called 'ultimate' driving
machine would be at least somewhat reliable, handle decently in bad
weather, and not fall apart, but darn, even my freaking Saturn can
tolerate snow better, has gone 200,000+ miles without disaster, and
isn't totally trashed.

I do like the yearly fun of watching my neighbors try to get up the hill
in the snow with theirs. They generally get hung up somewhere by the
time they come near our driveway. My old Chevy wagon didn't even care
about the snow, it'd just keep going and going....

In article >,
says...
> In article >,
> Blah Blah > wrote:
>
> > I like
> > the horizontally opposed BMW bikes with the funky looking suspension set
> > ups. Thats about it.
>
> They're nice bikes (The funky suspension in the back? I thought it was
> Indian who had that first?).

The r27 is a good example of BMW's funky suspensions.
http://classic-mopeds.x-account.de/bmw/r27.jpg

The savior like set up in the rear was found on both BMWs and Indians.
http://classic-mopeds.x-account.de/bmw/bmw-r61.jpg

They both also have used leaf spring suspension on the front and rear.
http://classic-mopeds.x-account.de/bmw/bmw-r32sw.jpg
http://www.starklite.com/museum/images/mike1.jpg

IIRC BMW copied Indians use of leaf springs for the rear.
http://www.photos.indianmotorbikes.c...lus/ppl019.jpg