Power windows- work for 2 years- THAT'S ALL FOLKS!

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> "D V Brownell" > wrote in message
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>> "misterfact" > wrote in message
>> om...
>> > Power window units in the door work great. Unfortunately the
>> > electrical contacts in the console switches wear out or burn out in
>> > 2-3 years. Of course-taking the console cover off and cleaning or
>> > replacing the contacts requires the help of your friendly, high
>> > overhead ($$$$$), Saturn dealer.
>> >
>> > I wonder if Saturn is compassionate enough or smart enough to coat
>> > the contacts with dialectic grease at assy?
>> >
>> > This is a 2000s series-but no doubt applies to all years and models.
>>
>> Dielectric grease is an insulator I'd say Saturn is smart enough NOT to
>> put
>> it on electrical contacts.
>> BTW the switch assembly comes out without disassembling the console.
>>
>> misterfact = missed the facts
>
> Funny! Plug wires come with the grease on the electric contact ends
> that attach to the spark plugs and into the distributor. You're right-
> the grease is an insulator- it insulates an electrical connection from
> oxygen- so the connection doesn't rust out!


Again you miss the facts. The dielectric grease does NOT go on the electric
contact of the spark plug - it goes on the insulator. It keeps oxygen,
moisture and dirt out of the boot helping to prevent corrosion of the metal
contact and arcing over the insulator. It also has the added advantage of
helping the boot not stick to the plug. Dielectric grease on the contact of
a good plug wire will have no ill effect as it will be displaced by the
pressure of the contact in the wire. A weak or loose wire contact may not
displace enough grease to insure a good electrical contact preventing the
plug from firing altogether. There are conductive grease compounds used to
improve conductivity of contacts and keep moisture and oxygen out however
even a small amount on the insulator of the plug would cause the electrons
to bypass the spark gap of the plug easier than a little moisture and dirt.

Um, no.

If your sales look like: \

and you turn that upside-down, then they look like: \

But, thanks for playing!

"misterfact" > wrote in message
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> misterfact > wrote in message
> >...
>> To sum things up...
>>
>> B*tch b*tch b*tch, rant rant rant, b*tch b*tch, rant rant.
>> Rant rant rant, b*tch b*tch b*tching.
>> Rant rant b*tch B*TCH!
>>
>> See you next month!
>
> Another Saturn exec. Turn your sales chart upside down- it'll look
> better!

Yes dielectric grease will reduce arcing and pitting on switches carrying
high current.
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>
> "misterfact" > wrote in message
> om...
>> Power window units in the door work great. Unfortunately the
>> electrical contacts in the console switches wear out or burn out in
>> 2-3 years. Of course-taking the console cover off and cleaning or
>> replacing the contacts requires the help of your friendly, high
>> overhead ($$$$$), Saturn dealer.
>>
>> I wonder if Saturn is compassionate enough or smart enough to coat
>> the contacts with dialectic grease at assy?
>>
>> This is a 2000s series-but no doubt applies to all years and models.
>
> Dielectric grease is an insulator I'd say Saturn is smart enough NOT to
> put it on electrical contacts.
> BTW the switch assembly comes out without disassembling the console.
>
> misterfact = missed the facts
>

"D V Brownell" > wrote in message news:<n%Dnd.282029$nl.179186@pd7tw3no>...
> "misterfact" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "D V Brownell" > wrote in message
> > news:<3iAmd.238590$nl.237830@pd7tw3no>...
> >> "misterfact" > wrote in message
> >> om...
> >> > Power window units in the door work great. Unfortunately the
> >> > electrical contacts in the console switches wear out or burn out in
> >> > 2-3 years. Of course-taking the console cover off and cleaning or
> >> > replacing the contacts requires the help of your friendly, high
> >> > overhead ($$$$$), Saturn dealer.
> >> >
> >> > I wonder if Saturn is compassionate enough or smart enough to coat
> >> > the contacts with dialectic grease at assy?
> >> >
> >> > This is a 2000s series-but no doubt applies to all years and models.
> >>
> >> Dielectric grease is an insulator I'd say Saturn is smart enough NOT to
> >> put
> >> it on electrical contacts.
> >> BTW the switch assembly comes out without disassembling the console.
> >>
> >> misterfact = missed the facts
> >
> > Funny! Plug wires come with the grease on the electric contact ends
> > that attach to the spark plugs and into the distributor. You're right-
> > the grease is an insulator- it insulates an electrical connection from
> > oxygen- so the connection doesn't rust out!
>
>
> Again you miss the facts. The dielectric grease does NOT go on the electric
> contact of the spark plug - it goes on the insulator. It keeps oxygen,
> moisture and dirt out of the boot helping to prevent corrosion of the metal
> contact and arcing over the insulator. It also has the added advantage of
> helping the boot not stick to the plug. Dielectric grease on the contact of
> a good plug wire will have no ill effect as it will be displaced by the
> pressure of the contact in the wire. A weak or loose wire contact may not
> displace enough grease to insure a good electrical contact preventing the
> plug from firing altogether. There are conductive grease compounds used to
> improve conductivity of contacts and keep moisture and oxygen out however
> even a small amount on the insulator of the plug would cause the electrons
> to bypass the spark gap of the plug easier than a little moisture and dirt.

I agree with everything you say. Your point is good- that you have to
have a tight metal electric conducting connection so that the grease
is displaced. Once you have that- the grease around the metal contacts
will keep them from rusting. I know a lot of truckers will put and
maintain the grease in their cab electric plug that goes into the pins
on the trailer. I did this for years and never had an electric contact
problem.

"misterfact" > wrote in message
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>> "misterfact" > wrote in message
>> om...
>> > "D V Brownell" > wrote in message
>> > news:<3iAmd.238590$nl.237830@pd7tw3no>...
>> >> "misterfact" > wrote in message
>> >> om...
>> >> > Power window units in the door work great. Unfortunately the
>> >> > electrical contacts in the console switches wear out or burn out in
>> >> > 2-3 years. Of course-taking the console cover off and cleaning or
>> >> > replacing the contacts requires the help of your friendly, high
>> >> > overhead ($$$$$), Saturn dealer.
>> >> >
>> >> > I wonder if Saturn is compassionate enough or smart enough to coat
>> >> > the contacts with dialectic grease at assy?
>> >> >
>> >> > This is a 2000s series-but no doubt applies to all years and models.
>> >>
>> >> Dielectric grease is an insulator I'd say Saturn is smart enough NOT
>> >> to
>> >> put
>> >> it on electrical contacts.
>> >> BTW the switch assembly comes out without disassembling the console.
>> >>
>> >> misterfact = missed the facts
>> >
>> > Funny! Plug wires come with the grease on the electric contact ends
>> > that attach to the spark plugs and into the distributor. You're right-
>> > the grease is an insulator- it insulates an electrical connection from
>> > oxygen- so the connection doesn't rust out!
>>
>>
>> Again you miss the facts. The dielectric grease does NOT go on the
>> electric
>> contact of the spark plug - it goes on the insulator. It keeps oxygen,
>> moisture and dirt out of the boot helping to prevent corrosion of the
>> metal
>> contact and arcing over the insulator. It also has the added advantage of
>> helping the boot not stick to the plug. Dielectric grease on the contact
>> of
>> a good plug wire will have no ill effect as it will be displaced by the
>> pressure of the contact in the wire. A weak or loose wire contact may not
>> displace enough grease to insure a good electrical contact preventing the
>> plug from firing altogether. There are conductive grease compounds used
>> to
>> improve conductivity of contacts and keep moisture and oxygen out however
>> even a small amount on the insulator of the plug would cause the
>> electrons
>> to bypass the spark gap of the plug easier than a little moisture and
>> dirt.
>
> I agree with everything you say. Your point is good- that you have to
> have a tight metal electric conducting connection so that the grease
> is displaced. Once you have that- the grease around the metal contacts
> will keep them from rusting. I know a lot of truckers will put and
> maintain the grease in their cab electric plug that goes into the pins
> on the trailer. I did this for years and never had an electric contact
> problem.

I've got to admit that I've had my head up my a** a little on this one.
After doing some research ( should learn to think before opening my mouth )
dielectric grease is used on all sorts of electrical contacts. It seems that
the two main criteria is 1) the consistency has to be matched to the contact
force and 2) the contacts must slide against each other to displace the
grease at the point of contact to insure good electrical conduction. So it
seems that dielectric grease is only bad on contacts that don't slide
against each other. I'm going to go Google the word bonehead now and see if
my name shows up.