When should a timing belt be changed on a '99 Breeze 2.4L?

On 04/19/2011 04:07 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:13:23 -0400, Steve Austin
> > wrote:
>
>> On 4/18/2011 10:57 AM, m6onz5a wrote:
>>> Our online etooboxpro says 60,000 miles, but my mechanic said he
>>> checked and it's 100k.
>>>
>>> so, who is right???
>>>
>>> Can I just do a visual on the belt and if it looks good just keep
>>> going???
>>>
>>> TIA
>>> Chas
>>
>> The 100,000 service came about because California law requires it. No
>> engineering changes. Same parts. I you drive like granny and your
>> engine is a freewheeler, you should be ok.
>
> What in CA law requires it??

maybe it's something piggy-backing on emissions that ca requires. but i
think it more likely that modern belt materials are better. plus,
better belt design helps. trapezoidal tooth profiles are more prone to
wear than the more modern rounded ones.


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On 04/19/2011 04:47 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:57:57 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>
>> On 04/19/2011 08:55 AM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:29:36 -0700, jim beam wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/18/2011 09:51 PM, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 07:57:58 -0700, m6onz5a wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Our online etooboxpro says 60,000 miles, but my mechanic said he
>>>>>> checked and it's 100k.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so, who is right???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can I just do a visual on the belt and if it looks good just keep
>>>>>> going???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>> Chas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gates says:
>>>>>
>>>>> 100,000 or 105,000 with an asterisk. That means Interference Engine.
>>>>> You belt breaks, chances are you valves do, too....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> depends on the engine. with the honda d-series, it's relatively rare
>>>> for valve strike to be a problem for instance, even though it is an
>>>> interference engine.
>>>>
>>>> i've bought several hondas cheap over the years at rock bottom prices
>>>> because of feared engine damage. none have turned out to have any
>>>> problems at all. when the belt lets go, it seems the cam snaps to one
>>>> of the 4 positions where valves are at a less than peak opening and the
>>>> engine can freewheel.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good. I'm looking for an unmolested* '91-93 Civic DL hatch. Find me a
>>> good one for ~$500...
>>
>> you can find them. you have to surf your local craigslist almost hourly
>> though. and be patient. and then get your ass out there with the cash
>> asap when one shows.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> *"For Sale: 1992 Honda DL with 1.8 swap. Only 2,000 miles on swap...."
>>>
>>> Um, WHY?!?!?!
>>
>> there's nothing wrong with a swap if done right - i've done it for
>> friends, and the results have been huge fun. but in a world where simple
>> things like changing drum brake shoes seems too hard for most
>> technicians*, getting a swap done right does admittedly make for a rare
>> occurrence.
>>
>>
>>
>> * 100% of the used drum rear civics i've bought or have worked on for
>> friends have had screwed up rear brakes if the shoes have been changed.
>> 100%. and i'm ****ed because i've just had to repair yet another one
>> for a friend with a screw-up done by a shop.
>>
>> for some reason, brake techs seem to find it impossible to service honda
>> drum rears without either puncturing a piston rubber, bending the main
>> return spring, or disabling the self-adjusting mechanism. the only ones
>> that have been fully functional are the ones still on their original
>> shoes, and given that oem honda shoes last a good 150k miles, there's no
>> reason most of them should have been touched in the first place.
>>
>> bent return springs particularly irk me. if they've been bent, most
>> commonly elongated, their resistance to piston pressure is too low, thus
>> they brake too hard, and the front/rear proportioning effect gets screwed
>> up. crazy thing is, people use vise grips and mangle these springs when
>> in reality, if you know what you're doing, you don't need to use tools at
>> all - they come off by hand, no damage!
>>
>> and the self-adjust mechanism? techs always grease them! and they always
>> get stuck when greased!
>>
>> i don't have a high opinion of the brake service industry when it comes to
>> civics.
>
>
> Thanks to the increase in gas prices, the price of even bombers has almost
> doubled. Every time gas gets pricey, even the worst among Hondas and
> Toyotas go way up in price.
>
> Obviously, I have a "Hachiroku", but the body is falling off the car. I
> missed an SR-5 version (the conversion is easy) by a matter of about 12
> hours. Yeah, gotta keep watching!
>
> I am a factory rep and cover a fairly large, but close to home area, with
> an '89 626. Nice, but I want a hatch. Or an Imprezza wagon...

if you just want cheap, get the 88-91 civic sedan. they're about half
the price of the hatchbacks, but you get the same fuel economy and
handling. don't forget to change the o-rings on the throttle body
injectors if you get the d15 motor - they can leak and not only does gas
consumption at idle become a problem, you'll chew through cats like crazy.

the 92-95's are fine, but cheapened up in a number of ways which i don't
care for. [they chew through front suspension bushings quite
impressively for example.] post separately if you want a list of 88-91
things to look out for. and cheapo things you can do to give one a
little more performance sparkle.


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On Apr 19, 12:51 am, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B > wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 07:57:58 -0700, m6onz5a wrote:
> > Our online etooboxpro says 60,000 miles, but my mechanic said he checked
> > and it's 100k.
>
> > so, who is right???
>
> > Can I just do a visual on the belt and if it looks good just keep going???
>
> > TIA
> > Chas
>
> Gates says:
>
> 100,000 or 105,000 with an asterisk. That means Interference Engine. You
> belt breaks, chances are you valves do, too....

Ok.. 100k is confirmed.. Thanks!!