MileMarker PE8000

Eric wrote:
> I've been involved in contracts before and the criteria
> isn't always a) specific enough or b) correct

we arent talking computer or other types of support systems...we're
talking combat duty gear. the military decided to go hydraulic before
accepting bids on hydraulic winches and when they did the electric
winches werent even a part of the bidding.

i met a guy on the quadratec board that was part of the testing
proceedure who gave me a lot of good information on it. i dont recall
his name now, but its the thread where jerry and i last argued this
same issue.

Bike racks, 3:30pm after school, no back-up. Jerry VS MJeeper. Biting,
scratching and hairpulling allowed. The loser has to trade their Jeep in for
a Lada Niva.

> i met a guy on the quadratec board that was part of the testing
> proceedure who gave me a lot of good information on it. i dont recall
> his name now, but its the thread where jerry and i last argued this
> same issue.
>

OK, I'll take the argument that if your engine is dead, so is your
hydraulic winch. .then tell me, if your stuck with a electric winch and your
engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a winch
that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help out.
Every time my trail buddies used their warns they had to rev the crap out of
their engines. These were long pulls and soon after one Jeep had it's check
engine light came on. then your stuck with engine problems and a dead
battery. I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
of electric?




> wrote in message
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> Eric wrote:
> > I've been involved in contracts before and the criteria
> > isn't always a) specific enough or b) correct
>
> we arent talking computer or other types of support systems...we're
> talking combat duty gear. the military decided to go hydraulic before
> accepting bids on hydraulic winches and when they did the electric
> winches werent even a part of the bidding.
>
> i met a guy on the quadratec board that was part of the testing
> proceedure who gave me a lot of good information on it. i dont recall
> his name now, but its the thread where jerry and i last argued this
> same issue.
>

I thought you were a Warn man, what the heck are you doing talking to MM?

"Jerry Bransford" > wrote in message
news:v54Fd.9829$Tf5.6462@lakeread03...
> Joe wrote:
> > I stated "designed and engineered here in the US"
>
> So, I stated they are NOT designed and engineered here. I spoke to a
> Milemarker engineer at a trade show for my company and he stated,
> simply, they bought a new line of winches from China due to their losing
> so much business to the electric winch industry. He specifically said
> they didn't have much input on what they got other than color and
> overall specs.
>
> Jerry
>
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" > wrote in message
> > news:IA0Fd.1238$_d4.982@fed1read05...
> >
> >>Bull**** on them being "designed and manufacturered" in the US.
Totally.
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>Joe wrote:
> >>
> >>>Just wanted to know is if someone out there in cyber land has bought or
> >
> > used
> >
> >>>one of these winches. I called Milemarker today and yes Jerry, they are
> >>>built in China, but they are designed and engineered here in the US.
> >>>Milemarker also stated they are a big seller over in Europe and the
> >
> > Spanish
> >
> >>>military uses them. They decided to try the US since they are not a
well
> >>>known name and decided to sell them for 4 bills instead of the retail
> >
> > price
> >
> >>>of 71/2 bills.
> >>>
> >>>-Joe
> >>>
> >>>"Jerry Bransford" > wrote in message
> >>>news:W9%Ed.992$_d4.343@fed1read05...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>zipdog wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>built by the chinese, used by the US Military.
> >>>>
> >>>>No, you've got your facts wrong. Milemarker produces a US-built
> >>>>hydraulic winch that is used by the US military. They are not using,
> >>>>nor are many people using, the Chinese-built electric winch that
> >>>>Milemarker only sticks their name on.
> >>>>
> >>>>Jerry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>"Jerry Bransford" > wrote in message
> >>>>>news:twKEd.29463$232.12376@fed1read05...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>If you want to install a Chinese-built winch on your Jeep, go for
it.
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>>>Jerry
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Joe wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Any thoughts on this winch. seems like a bargin at $399
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>>>>http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Jerry Bransford
> >>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>>>http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Jerry Bransford
> >>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
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Real Jeeps use Power Take Offs.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Joe wrote:
>
> OK, I'll take the argument that if your engine is dead, so is your
> hydraulic winch. .then tell me, if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help out.
> Every time my trail buddies used their warns they had to rev the crap out of
> their engines. These were long pulls and soon after one Jeep had it's check
> engine light came on. then your stuck with engine problems and a dead
> battery. I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?

Greg wrote:
> Although the prices of the winches aren't bad, when you add on the
> hydrolic addaptor kit of between $249.00 to $429.00 it brings the
price up
> to a warn.

what are you talking about? the hydraulic adapter kit for my TJ was
$49. the hydraulic adapter kit for my '04.5 dodge cummins was $49.

Joe wrote:
> if your stuck with a electric winch and your
> engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a
winch
> that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help
out

exactly. most people are running the single stock battery. even with
a good dual battery setup your winching is limited if your engine is
dead.


> I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
> of electric?

there are few advantages to going electric over hydraulic:

- the hook up is a little easier (although if you read my write up
youll see that the hydraulic install isnt bad). to compare the two,
here is where i installed an electric winch on my '00 tj
http://tinyurl.com/6kv5b and here is where i installed a hydraulic
winch on my '03 rubicon http://tinyurl.com/5x5fg
- its easier to have a multi-mount set up if you go electric. they
make multi-mount setups for hydraulic winches, but you loose a little
fluid each time you unplug the hoses and you can introduce contaminents
into the system if you unplug them in dirty conditions.
- ive heard the argument that an advantage with electric is that if
your jeep is upside down that your winch will run a little while on
battery power to help right the jeep...but have you ever seen anyone
try to right a jeep on its side/top with a front mounted winch? its
nearly impossible anyway, and the attempt will most likely only cause
further damage to the jeep.

now i suppose it all boils down to preference.....either winch will
solve your troubles most of the time and any winch is better than none.
for my needs however, the hydraulic is the way to go.

- when it comes to any real work the two arent comparable. the
hydraulic can run at full capacity 24/7 and never requires rest/cool
down. since it isnt over-rated to look better on paper, the hydraulic
is perfectly at home at its full rated capacity.
- the hydraulic is 100% waterproof and can run indefinately under
water.
- under full load the line speed on the hydraulic remains nearly the
same.
- no other upgrades are required for industrial duty winching. you
install it and youre done...full rated capacity. with electric you at
least need to upgrade your battery and would preferably run 2.
- the hydraulic has a lot fewer points of failure.

wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
>>if your stuck with a electric winch and your
>>engine does not run, how effective is the battery going to be with a
>
> winch
>
>>that draws up to and probably over 400 amps and no alternator to help
>
> out
>
> exactly. most people are running the single stock battery. even with
> a good dual battery setup your winching is limited if your engine is
> dead.

I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
situation?

Jerry



>
>
>
>>I can see where a hydraulic which would work, whats the advantages
>>of electric?
>
>
> there are few advantages to going electric over hydraulic:
>
> - the hook up is a little easier (although if you read my write up
> youll see that the hydraulic install isnt bad). to compare the two,
> here is where i installed an electric winch on my '00 tj
> http://tinyurl.com/6kv5b and here is where i installed a hydraulic
> winch on my '03 rubicon http://tinyurl.com/5x5fg
> - its easier to have a multi-mount set up if you go electric. they
> make multi-mount setups for hydraulic winches, but you loose a little
> fluid each time you unplug the hoses and you can introduce contaminents
> into the system if you unplug them in dirty conditions.
> - ive heard the argument that an advantage with electric is that if
> your jeep is upside down that your winch will run a little while on
> battery power to help right the jeep...but have you ever seen anyone
> try to right a jeep on its side/top with a front mounted winch? its
> nearly impossible anyway, and the attempt will most likely only cause
> further damage to the jeep.
>
> now i suppose it all boils down to preference.....either winch will
> solve your troubles most of the time and any winch is better than none.
> for my needs however, the hydraulic is the way to go.
>
> - when it comes to any real work the two arent comparable. the
> hydraulic can run at full capacity 24/7 and never requires rest/cool
> down. since it isnt over-rated to look better on paper, the hydraulic
> is perfectly at home at its full rated capacity.
> - the hydraulic is 100% waterproof and can run indefinately under
> water.
> - under full load the line speed on the hydraulic remains nearly the
> same.
> - no other upgrades are required for industrial duty winching. you
> install it and youre done...full rated capacity. with electric you at
> least need to upgrade your battery and would preferably run 2.
> - the hydraulic has a lot fewer points of failure.
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

It takes four hundred amps to initiate an American V8 starter:
http://www.boatfix.com/how/Ele3.html Look at the size of your cables in
comparison to your starter's, for a cue. Under a load, how long do you
think you may use your winch before your battery's voltage is low enough
to cook the motor? My guess would be about fifteen seconds unassisted,
before your motor turn to junk.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
> rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
> tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
> battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
> does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
> us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
> situation?
>
> Jerry

Bill, just stay out of this as it's clear by what you said that you
don't have a clue on what a winch draws in typical usage. And a typical
V8 starter doesn't draw 400 amperes. Leave the electrical stuff alone
Bill, you're out of your element.

Jerry

L.W.(ßill) Hughes III wrote:
> It takes four hundred amps to initiate an American V8 starter:
> http://www.boatfix.com/how/Ele3.html Look at the size of your cables in
> comparison to your starter's, for a cue. Under a load, how long do you
> think you may use your winch before your battery's voltage is low enough
> to cook the motor? My guess would be about fifteen seconds unassisted,
> before your motor turn to junk.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>>I know the answer to this before I even ask it... Um, take the amp-hour
>>rating of a typical battery used in a Jeep and after doing the math,
>>tell us all how long an electrical winch will last running off the
>>battery in TYPICAL USEAGE before the battery is drained. NO, the winch
>>does not draw 400 amperes in typical useage. Do the math and then tell
>>us. Will it work long enough to be useful in the typical winching
>>situation?
>>
>>Jerry

--
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PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
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