honda quality parts advice

TeGGeR® wrote:
> Chopface > wrote in
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>>>The cheaper the rotors, the worse the steel. You pays your money and
>>>you takes your chances.
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>>Not to nitpick too much, but aren't rotors made of cast iron?
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> I don't know how to tell the difference between cast iron and cast steel.
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ugh, that's hard except for one big thing - there's not much "cast
steel" about compared to cast iron. usually, the word "steel" is
reserved for low carbon iron/carbon alloy, with other stuff thrown in
for various reasons, and which has been worked, like rod or sheet or
strip & so on. but there are cast steels, and they're usually used for
complex shapes as an alternative to machining and where cost is less of
a factor. cast iron is high carbon [lower melting point, castability,
etc.] and used where CHEAP is the order of the day. but there's no easy
differentiator unless you have a microscope - you need to know what
you're looking for and know the component's application.

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:27:08 -0600, Chopface
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>TeGGeR® wrote:
>> "Rob B" > wrote in
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>>>c'mon yuse guys, need some experience with these parts (crap/not crap)
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>>>from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe
>>>what to stay away from or maybe something not listed ?
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>>>Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, Brembo, Winhere, PBR, Mountain
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>> The cheaper the rotors, the worse the steel. You pays your money and you
>> takes your chances.
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>Not to nitpick too much, but aren't rotors made of cast iron?
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Yes. I used to buy cast iron table saw tables from the foundry that,
at that time, made most of the rotors, drums and hubs in the U. S.
Waupaca foundry in Wisconsin. Very good foundry, I think owned by the
Budd Corp now.

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jim beam wrote:
> ugh, that's hard except for one big thing - there's not much "cast
> steel" about compared to cast iron. usually, the word "steel" is
> reserved for low carbon iron/carbon alloy, with other stuff thrown in
> for various reasons, and which has been worked, like rod or sheet or
> strip & so on. but there are cast steels, and they're usually used for
> complex shapes as an alternative to machining and where cost is less of
> a factor.

so then whats "pot metal"? i know its cheap, and its cast.

Frank Boettcher wrote:
> Yes. I used to buy cast iron table saw tables from the foundry that,
> at that time, made most of the rotors, drums and hubs in the U. S.
> Waupaca foundry in Wisconsin. Very good foundry, I think owned by the
> Budd Corp now.

and budd is part of a german conglomerate now. everythings global.

In article >,
says...

>rotors are cheap lifetime brake pads are cheaper! im still running
>the OEM pads (51k miles) on my 98 civic hatch. dunno what ill go with
>when its time.

Rotors can be had cheap. What you need to watch out for is that on some
Honda/Acura cars they installed the rotor behind the hub. This means that
a what should be a simple 1/2 hour rotor swap turns into a 1.5 hour rotor
swap. That assumes you can undo the axle bolt easiley. If your car has
this stupid design, I would stick with the softer pads that don't eat
through the rotors as quickly.
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Alex

Rob B wrote:
> from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe what
> to stay away from maybe something not listed ?
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> Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, Brembo, Winhere, PBR, Mountain
>

I've used Brembo rotors on many vehciles with excellent results. In
fact, I replace the factor warp-masters on my '03 Accord with Brembos
and have been enjoying excellent braking ever since.


> Brake pads :: Honda, Nisin Prem, Akebono, Nisin Silver, PBR, NPN, Bendix

Of those I have only tried PBRs and they were fine. Generally I install
top of the line Raybestos or Wagner pads when I do brake jobs on my
cars. Every company makes several grades of pads these days. Get one
of the top end pads from any major maker and you are probably ok.


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> HO2S :: Honda, NTK, Denso, Bosch, Walker

I would use the Honda, NTK or Densos myself. For some reason my luck
with Bosch parts has been very hit-and-miss. Never tried Walker.

John

great, thanks for advice

probably go Brembo + nisin Premium + Denso

can't find ho2s NTK for less than 260 denso about 70

"John Horner" > wrote in message
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> Rob B wrote:
> > from these parts what do you recommend as higher quality part or maybe
what
> > to stay away from maybe something not listed ?
> >
> > Front/Rear Rotors :: Honda, Brembo, Winhere, PBR, Mountain
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> I've used Brembo rotors on many vehciles with excellent results. In
> fact, I replace the factor warp-masters on my '03 Accord with Brembos
> and have been enjoying excellent braking ever since.
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> > Brake pads :: Honda, Nisin Prem, Akebono, Nisin Silver, PBR, NPN,
Bendix
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> Of those I have only tried PBRs and they were fine. Generally I install
> top of the line Raybestos or Wagner pads when I do brake jobs on my
> cars. Every company makes several grades of pads these days. Get one
> of the top end pads from any major maker and you are probably ok.
>
> > HO2S :: Honda, NTK, Denso, Bosch, Walker
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> I would use the Honda, NTK or Densos myself. For some reason my luck
> with Bosch parts has been very hit-and-miss. Never tried Walker.
>
> John

SoCalMike wrote:
> jim beam wrote:
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>> ugh, that's hard except for one big thing - there's not much "cast
>> steel" about compared to cast iron. usually, the word "steel" is
>> reserved for low carbon iron/carbon alloy, with other stuff thrown in
>> for various reasons, and which has been worked, like rod or sheet or
>> strip & so on. but there are cast steels, and they're usually used
>> for complex shapes as an alternative to machining and where cost is
>> less of a factor.
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> so then whats "pot metal"? i know its cheap, and its cast.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pot+metal

what's the application?

jim beam > wrote in
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> SoCalMike wrote:
>> jim beam wrote:
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>>> ugh, that's hard except for one big thing - there's not much "cast
>>> steel" about compared to cast iron. usually, the word "steel" is
>>> reserved for low carbon iron/carbon alloy, with other stuff thrown in
>>> for various reasons, and which has been worked, like rod or sheet or
>>> strip & so on. but there are cast steels, and they're usually used
>>> for complex shapes as an alternative to machining and where cost is
>>> less of a factor.
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>> so then whats "pot metal"? i know its cheap, and its cast.
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> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pot+metal
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> what's the application?
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Honda brake discs.

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I guess no one has answered the basic question yet?? In my experience
using Brembo rotors on my Honda, two SAABs, my son's Mitsubishi, and our
Volvo, I would say "yes", Brembo makes good rotors. The finish is
excellent and I've not had any problems with any of the cars that I've
installed Brembo rotors.