Got a ticket Friday...

Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:

> I didn't know there were laws against excessive acceleration. It was
> the chirping that got you. Spinning tires can throw stones into the
> cars behind you. My advice is - don't break the law.
>

This from the clueless freak that recommends carrying caltrops. Yeah,
follow your own advice why don't you?

nate

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"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:05:27 -0500, Nate Nagel >
> wrote:
>
> >Such crap. There is true careless driving going on everywhere, every
> >day... I am guessing, however, that the cop didn't even see you make
> >the turn, he just heard the chirp and pulled you over.
>
> I'm wondering if this cop was from the same jurisdiction where Cory
> lodged his complaint...

Nope, different police than I complained about that one officers reckless
driving so that surely has nothing to do with it. This department is one I
was tempted to complain about when I followed a cop doing 50 MPH in a
residential zone and he picked up another cop at a house and then returned
to the police station, spinning his tires and making some smoke as he went
around one corner. I decided against it, that it wasn't worth it. From now
on I'm gonna report all these major instances or reckless driving I see cops
doing.

Cory

"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:05:27 -0500, Nate Nagel >
> wrote:
>
> >Such crap. There is true careless driving going on everywhere, every
> >day... I am guessing, however, that the cop didn't even see you make
> >the turn, he just heard the chirp and pulled you over.
>
> I'm wondering if this cop was from the same jurisdiction where Cory
> lodged his complaint...

Nope, different police than I complained about that one officers reckless
driving so that surely has nothing to do with it. This department is one I
was tempted to complain about when I followed a cop doing 50 MPH in a
residential zone and he picked up another cop at a house and then returned
to the police station, spinning his tires and making some smoke as he went
around one corner. I decided against it, that it wasn't worth it. From now
on I'm gonna report all these major instances or reckless driving I see cops
doing.

Cory

It's no surprise you didn't know about that law, considering how
clueless you are. I mean, you are stupid enough to post into
alt.flame.******s.

It's no surprise you didn't know about that law, considering how
clueless you are. I mean, you are stupid enough to post into
alt.flame.******s.

Cory Dunkle wrote:
> "Scott en Aztl=E1n" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:05:27 -0500, Nate Nagel
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Such crap. There is true careless driving going on everywhere,
every
> > >day... I am guessing, however, that the cop didn't even see you
make
> > >the turn, he just heard the chirp and pulled you over.
> >
> > I'm wondering if this cop was from the same jurisdiction where Cory
> > lodged his complaint...
>
> Nope, different police than I complained about that one officers
reckless
> driving so that surely has nothing to do with it. This department is
one I
> was tempted to complain about when I followed a cop doing 50 MPH in a
> residential zone and he picked up another cop at a house and then
returned
> to the police station, spinning his tires and making some smoke as he
went
> around one corner. I decided against it, that it wasn't worth it.
>From now
> on I'm gonna report all these major instances or reckless driving I
see cops
> doing.
>
> Cory

What a dumbass. No cop is ever going to give you a ticket as payback
for making a complaint about him. Nope, he'll get his buddy to do it
for him. Do you really want to find out what cops do when they're
****ed.

If you insist on making complaints about cops, then do yourself and
everyone a favor and sign them "LBMHBF."

Cory Dunkle wrote:
> "Scott en Aztl=E1n" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:05:27 -0500, Nate Nagel
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Such crap. There is true careless driving going on everywhere,
every
> > >day... I am guessing, however, that the cop didn't even see you
make
> > >the turn, he just heard the chirp and pulled you over.
> >
> > I'm wondering if this cop was from the same jurisdiction where Cory
> > lodged his complaint...
>
> Nope, different police than I complained about that one officers
reckless
> driving so that surely has nothing to do with it. This department is
one I
> was tempted to complain about when I followed a cop doing 50 MPH in a
> residential zone and he picked up another cop at a house and then
returned
> to the police station, spinning his tires and making some smoke as he
went
> around one corner. I decided against it, that it wasn't worth it.
>From now
> on I'm gonna report all these major instances or reckless driving I
see cops
> doing.
>
> Cory

What a dumbass. No cop is ever going to give you a ticket as payback
for making a complaint about him. Nope, he'll get his buddy to do it
for him. Do you really want to find out what cops do when they're
****ed.

If you insist on making complaints about cops, then do yourself and
everyone a favor and sign them "LBMHBF."

Cory Dunkle wrote:
> I was turning right on a red. Car was coming in the distance, so I
took off
> quickly to get up to speed before he got close. Corner was dry where
I could
> see but right around the corner near the curb was a puddle of water.
So as I
> accelerated out of the turn I was first on dry pavement and
accelerating
> quickly (not real hard, just quick with moderate throttle). Then as I
passed
> over the puddle my right tire spun real quick and then caught again
ont eh
> dry pavement, chirping. Car was straight as an arrow the whole time,
no
> smoke, and not accelerating real hard.
>
> As that was happening a cop was slowing to stop at the light on the
> intersecting road, which had changed while I was turning. Looking in
my
> mirror I saw him turning around and pulled over in a parking lot,
figuring
> he was going to stop me.
>
> He pulled in and asked for my papers. I reached for the glove box,
couldn't
> reach, so removed my seatbelt and then got my papers and handed them
to him.
> He went back to his car, and came back to give me my papers and a
ticket.
>
> He told me he could have wrote me a ticket for careless driving, but
did not
> because that carried points. Instead he gave me a seatbelt ticket. I
asked
> hif he realized that I had not spun my tire on purpose, and as I was
> accelerating hit a puddle, thus the tire chirped as the pavement was
once
> again dry before I let off the gas. He said how is he supposed to
know that,
> in such a tone as to convey that he doesn't believe me. I went on to
tell
> him that if I wanted to spin my tires, there would have been a lot of
noise
> and smoke, not a little chirp as I am driving normally and hit a
puddle. He
> again said how is he supposed to know that, and to take the seatbelt
ticket.
> I told him I was wearing my seatbelt. He said he didn't see it. I
responded
> that regardless of whether or not he saw my seatbelt, it is breaking
no law
> to sit in a parked car without a seatbelt. He then asked if I would
rather
> have the careless driving ticket with points, so I told him sure, if
I was
> driving carelessly then that is the ticket I should get, not a
seatbelt
> ticket when I was wearing my seatbelt as I always do. He then told me
to
> deal with it in court and it wasn't his job to argue with me. I said
okay,
> and asked where the courthouse was and waht the date was. He told me
and
> left.
>
> I then looked at the ticket and say he noted the conditions as dry, I
was
> gonna go take pictures of the intersection where it happened in case
they
> try to give me a careless driving ticket or argue anything like that
when I
> go to court, assuming this cop even shows. As I was driving around
the block
> I saw the cop, so I stopped and asked him why he wrote dry as teh
conditions
> where it had rained earlier in the day and parts of the road were
wet, such
> as around the corner I turned. He told me to leave. I told him I
wanted it
> in writing that conditions were wet that day if he did in fact try to
change
> the ticket to careless driving or bring that up when I went to court
for the
> ticket. He said he didn't see any water on the ground and it looked
dry to
> him (hmm... just like a took my seatbelt off right in front of him
and he
> didn't notice), but he would go check and make a note of it. I asked
why he
> would not give me a copy of such a note. He then asked how old I was
and
> told me to leave, belittling me and disregarding me because of my age
(19,
> will be 20 in a few days). So I left and took pictures on the
intersection.
>
> I'm not sure if I should go file a complaint against the officer or
what. He
> disregarded me, belittled me, didn't believe me and was rude to me
simply
> because I'm 19. I felt very insulted and frustrated. I never spin my
tires
> on the street, much less in rush hour while turning onto a major
street.
> Hell, that big car with a little 302 can't even spin the tires on dry
> pavement since I got my new BFGoodrich Radial T/As, and even when
it's
> raining they grip very nicely and it takes some doing to spin the
tires.
> Regardless, I'm a safe and courteous driver. I don't screw around on
the
> street. Hell, lately on anything but interstate type of highways I do
the
> speed limit or less to be sure I don't have to deal with cops (who do
double
> the limit in residential zones around here and run red lights, when
not on
> call).
>
> In any case, if all this is gonna be is a seatbelt ticket then so be
it. My
> girlfriend was with me and knows I wear my seatbelt every time I get
in the
> car. She also saw me take my seatbelt off right in front of the cop
while I
> was reaching for my papers. I'm half expecting them to disregard her
as a
> witness though, and believe that lying scumbag of a cop. I suppose
I'll find
> out when I go to court.
>
> Bottom line is I'm not paying for a ticket that is for something I'm
not
> guilty of. If I was driving carelessly and endangering anyone with my
> actions when so be it, give me that ticket and if I don't feel I was
driving
> carelessly I'll go to court. If I know I was doing something I
shouldn't
> have been, so be it, I know that and am man enough to accept getting
caught
> doing something I shouldn't have been. The cop knows that chirping my
tire
> on a small puddle I didn't know was there and keeping the car
straight as an
> arrow is not careless or unsafe, nor was it endangering anyone, so he
gives
> me a seatbelt ticket and belittles me, trying to pressure me into
accepting
> it and believe I got off with a good deal so I pay it without
protest. Yeah,
> right. I'm not that much of a pushover. In the past I've gotten a
break like
> that when I actually was driving unsafely. I took the break and paid
the
> ticket, and that was the end of messing around on the street for me.
That
> was a couple years ago.
>
> Anyhow, it just ****es me off that cops do crap like that. I mean
honestly,
> if I was doing anything careless or unsafe give me the points. That's
what
> points are for, to add up and get bad drivers off the road. I'd
rather not
> have a corrupt system and if I actually do something I shouldn't,
take some
> points and so be it. Not this BS like we have where even if you get a
points
> ticket you just go to court and they don't even wanna hear or know
what
> happened, you get in a line and tell them whether or not you will
take their
> deal of a different fine and no points. It's nothing but revenue
collection,
> hence the seatbelt ticket I got. He knows a careless driving ticket
is BS,
> so he gives a seatbelt ticket thinking it makes him look good and
that I'll
> pay it instead of missing work (cops need a certain number of tickets
to be
> put up for promotions, if they don't write enough tickets it's
frowned upon
> and assumed that they are not doing their job). By missing work yeah
I'll
> lose some more money by not working than I would if I were to pay it,
but
> not all that much more being as how I work part time for my college.
My work
> that I actually make money on, computer work and consulting, I
schedule for
> whenever is convenient for me.
>
> Well, I just had to vent a bit, as this is frustrating. Me and the
> girlfriend ended up missing the movie we were going to and went to
the next
> show. The end result was I ended up leaving for CT an hour and some
change
> later than I wanted to, which kinda stunk.
>
> Cory

Cory, have to start thinking out of the box...PBA card?, get your
driving transcript at DMV and see where you stand with points? are you
paying insurance surcharge? use a bike? etc.

Peter

Cory Dunkle wrote:
> I was turning right on a red. Car was coming in the distance, so I
took off
> quickly to get up to speed before he got close. Corner was dry where
I could
> see but right around the corner near the curb was a puddle of water.
So as I
> accelerated out of the turn I was first on dry pavement and
accelerating
> quickly (not real hard, just quick with moderate throttle). Then as I
passed
> over the puddle my right tire spun real quick and then caught again
ont eh
> dry pavement, chirping. Car was straight as an arrow the whole time,
no
> smoke, and not accelerating real hard.
>
> As that was happening a cop was slowing to stop at the light on the
> intersecting road, which had changed while I was turning. Looking in
my
> mirror I saw him turning around and pulled over in a parking lot,
figuring
> he was going to stop me.
>
> He pulled in and asked for my papers. I reached for the glove box,
couldn't
> reach, so removed my seatbelt and then got my papers and handed them
to him.
> He went back to his car, and came back to give me my papers and a
ticket.
>
> He told me he could have wrote me a ticket for careless driving, but
did not
> because that carried points. Instead he gave me a seatbelt ticket. I
asked
> hif he realized that I had not spun my tire on purpose, and as I was
> accelerating hit a puddle, thus the tire chirped as the pavement was
once
> again dry before I let off the gas. He said how is he supposed to
know that,
> in such a tone as to convey that he doesn't believe me. I went on to
tell
> him that if I wanted to spin my tires, there would have been a lot of
noise
> and smoke, not a little chirp as I am driving normally and hit a
puddle. He
> again said how is he supposed to know that, and to take the seatbelt
ticket.
> I told him I was wearing my seatbelt. He said he didn't see it. I
responded
> that regardless of whether or not he saw my seatbelt, it is breaking
no law
> to sit in a parked car without a seatbelt. He then asked if I would
rather
> have the careless driving ticket with points, so I told him sure, if
I was
> driving carelessly then that is the ticket I should get, not a
seatbelt
> ticket when I was wearing my seatbelt as I always do. He then told me
to
> deal with it in court and it wasn't his job to argue with me. I said
okay,
> and asked where the courthouse was and waht the date was. He told me
and
> left.
>
> I then looked at the ticket and say he noted the conditions as dry, I
was
> gonna go take pictures of the intersection where it happened in case
they
> try to give me a careless driving ticket or argue anything like that
when I
> go to court, assuming this cop even shows. As I was driving around
the block
> I saw the cop, so I stopped and asked him why he wrote dry as teh
conditions
> where it had rained earlier in the day and parts of the road were
wet, such
> as around the corner I turned. He told me to leave. I told him I
wanted it
> in writing that conditions were wet that day if he did in fact try to
change
> the ticket to careless driving or bring that up when I went to court
for the
> ticket. He said he didn't see any water on the ground and it looked
dry to
> him (hmm... just like a took my seatbelt off right in front of him
and he
> didn't notice), but he would go check and make a note of it. I asked
why he
> would not give me a copy of such a note. He then asked how old I was
and
> told me to leave, belittling me and disregarding me because of my age
(19,
> will be 20 in a few days). So I left and took pictures on the
intersection.
>
> I'm not sure if I should go file a complaint against the officer or
what. He
> disregarded me, belittled me, didn't believe me and was rude to me
simply
> because I'm 19. I felt very insulted and frustrated. I never spin my
tires
> on the street, much less in rush hour while turning onto a major
street.
> Hell, that big car with a little 302 can't even spin the tires on dry
> pavement since I got my new BFGoodrich Radial T/As, and even when
it's
> raining they grip very nicely and it takes some doing to spin the
tires.
> Regardless, I'm a safe and courteous driver. I don't screw around on
the
> street. Hell, lately on anything but interstate type of highways I do
the
> speed limit or less to be sure I don't have to deal with cops (who do
double
> the limit in residential zones around here and run red lights, when
not on
> call).
>
> In any case, if all this is gonna be is a seatbelt ticket then so be
it. My
> girlfriend was with me and knows I wear my seatbelt every time I get
in the
> car. She also saw me take my seatbelt off right in front of the cop
while I
> was reaching for my papers. I'm half expecting them to disregard her
as a
> witness though, and believe that lying scumbag of a cop. I suppose
I'll find
> out when I go to court.
>
> Bottom line is I'm not paying for a ticket that is for something I'm
not
> guilty of. If I was driving carelessly and endangering anyone with my
> actions when so be it, give me that ticket and if I don't feel I was
driving
> carelessly I'll go to court. If I know I was doing something I
shouldn't
> have been, so be it, I know that and am man enough to accept getting
caught
> doing something I shouldn't have been. The cop knows that chirping my
tire
> on a small puddle I didn't know was there and keeping the car
straight as an
> arrow is not careless or unsafe, nor was it endangering anyone, so he
gives
> me a seatbelt ticket and belittles me, trying to pressure me into
accepting
> it and believe I got off with a good deal so I pay it without
protest. Yeah,
> right. I'm not that much of a pushover. In the past I've gotten a
break like
> that when I actually was driving unsafely. I took the break and paid
the
> ticket, and that was the end of messing around on the street for me.
That
> was a couple years ago.
>
> Anyhow, it just ****es me off that cops do crap like that. I mean
honestly,
> if I was doing anything careless or unsafe give me the points. That's
what
> points are for, to add up and get bad drivers off the road. I'd
rather not
> have a corrupt system and if I actually do something I shouldn't,
take some
> points and so be it. Not this BS like we have where even if you get a
points
> ticket you just go to court and they don't even wanna hear or know
what
> happened, you get in a line and tell them whether or not you will
take their
> deal of a different fine and no points. It's nothing but revenue
collection,
> hence the seatbelt ticket I got. He knows a careless driving ticket
is BS,
> so he gives a seatbelt ticket thinking it makes him look good and
that I'll
> pay it instead of missing work (cops need a certain number of tickets
to be
> put up for promotions, if they don't write enough tickets it's
frowned upon
> and assumed that they are not doing their job). By missing work yeah
I'll
> lose some more money by not working than I would if I were to pay it,
but
> not all that much more being as how I work part time for my college.
My work
> that I actually make money on, computer work and consulting, I
schedule for
> whenever is convenient for me.
>
> Well, I just had to vent a bit, as this is frustrating. Me and the
> girlfriend ended up missing the movie we were going to and went to
the next
> show. The end result was I ended up leaving for CT an hour and some
change
> later than I wanted to, which kinda stunk.
>
> Cory

Cory, have to start thinking out of the box...PBA card?, get your
driving transcript at DMV and see where you stand with points? are you
paying insurance surcharge? use a bike? etc.

Peter

It DRIVES me crazy 2 wrote:
> Cory Dunkle wrote:
> > I was turning right on a red. Car was coming in the distance, so I
> took off
> > quickly to get up to speed before he got close. Corner was dry
where
> I could
> > see but right around the corner near the curb was a puddle of
water.
> So as I
> > accelerated out of the turn I was first on dry pavement and
> accelerating
> > quickly (not real hard, just quick with moderate throttle). Then as
I
> passed
> > over the puddle my right tire spun real quick and then caught again
> ont eh
> > dry pavement, chirping. Car was straight as an arrow the whole
time,
> no
> > smoke, and not accelerating real hard.
> >
> > As that was happening a cop was slowing to stop at the light on the
> > intersecting road, which had changed while I was turning. Looking
in
> my
> > mirror I saw him turning around and pulled over in a parking lot,
> figuring
> > he was going to stop me.
> >
> > He pulled in and asked for my papers. I reached for the glove box,
> couldn't
> > reach, so removed my seatbelt and then got my papers and handed
them
> to him.
> > He went back to his car, and came back to give me my papers and a
> ticket.
> >
> > He told me he could have wrote me a ticket for careless driving,
but
> did not
> > because that carried points. Instead he gave me a seatbelt ticket.
I
> asked
> > hif he realized that I had not spun my tire on purpose, and as I
was
> > accelerating hit a puddle, thus the tire chirped as the pavement
was
> once
> > again dry before I let off the gas. He said how is he supposed to
> know that,
> > in such a tone as to convey that he doesn't believe me. I went on
to
> tell
> > him that if I wanted to spin my tires, there would have been a lot
of
> noise
> > and smoke, not a little chirp as I am driving normally and hit a
> puddle. He
> > again said how is he supposed to know that, and to take the
seatbelt
> ticket.
> > I told him I was wearing my seatbelt. He said he didn't see it. I
> responded
> > that regardless of whether or not he saw my seatbelt, it is
breaking
> no law
> > to sit in a parked car without a seatbelt. He then asked if I would
> rather
> > have the careless driving ticket with points, so I told him sure,
if
> I was
> > driving carelessly then that is the ticket I should get, not a
> seatbelt
> > ticket when I was wearing my seatbelt as I always do. He then told
me
> to
> > deal with it in court and it wasn't his job to argue with me. I
said
> okay,
> > and asked where the courthouse was and waht the date was. He told
me
> and
> > left.
> >
> > I then looked at the ticket and say he noted the conditions as dry,
I
> was
> > gonna go take pictures of the intersection where it happened in
case
> they
> > try to give me a careless driving ticket or argue anything like
that
> when I
> > go to court, assuming this cop even shows. As I was driving around
> the block
> > I saw the cop, so I stopped and asked him why he wrote dry as teh
> conditions
> > where it had rained earlier in the day and parts of the road were
> wet, such
> > as around the corner I turned. He told me to leave. I told him I
> wanted it
> > in writing that conditions were wet that day if he did in fact try
to
> change
> > the ticket to careless driving or bring that up when I went to
court
> for the
> > ticket. He said he didn't see any water on the ground and it looked
> dry to
> > him (hmm... just like a took my seatbelt off right in front of him
> and he
> > didn't notice), but he would go check and make a note of it. I
asked
> why he
> > would not give me a copy of such a note. He then asked how old I
was
> and
> > told me to leave, belittling me and disregarding me because of my
age
> (19,
> > will be 20 in a few days). So I left and took pictures on the
> intersection.
> >
> > I'm not sure if I should go file a complaint against the officer or
> what. He
> > disregarded me, belittled me, didn't believe me and was rude to me
> simply
> > because I'm 19. I felt very insulted and frustrated. I never spin
my
> tires
> > on the street, much less in rush hour while turning onto a major
> street.
> > Hell, that big car with a little 302 can't even spin the tires on
dry
> > pavement since I got my new BFGoodrich Radial T/As, and even when
> it's
> > raining they grip very nicely and it takes some doing to spin the
> tires.
> > Regardless, I'm a safe and courteous driver. I don't screw around
on
> the
> > street. Hell, lately on anything but interstate type of highways I
do
> the
> > speed limit or less to be sure I don't have to deal with cops (who
do
> double
> > the limit in residential zones around here and run red lights, when
> not on
> > call).
> >
> > In any case, if all this is gonna be is a seatbelt ticket then so
be
> it. My
> > girlfriend was with me and knows I wear my seatbelt every time I
get
> in the
> > car. She also saw me take my seatbelt off right in front of the cop
> while I
> > was reaching for my papers. I'm half expecting them to disregard
her
> as a
> > witness though, and believe that lying scumbag of a cop. I suppose
> I'll find
> > out when I go to court.
> >
> > Bottom line is I'm not paying for a ticket that is for something
I'm
> not
> > guilty of. If I was driving carelessly and endangering anyone with
my
> > actions when so be it, give me that ticket and if I don't feel I
was
> driving
> > carelessly I'll go to court. If I know I was doing something I
> shouldn't
> > have been, so be it, I know that and am man enough to accept
getting
> caught
> > doing something I shouldn't have been. The cop knows that chirping
my
> tire
> > on a small puddle I didn't know was there and keeping the car
> straight as an
> > arrow is not careless or unsafe, nor was it endangering anyone, so
he
> gives
> > me a seatbelt ticket and belittles me, trying to pressure me into
> accepting
> > it and believe I got off with a good deal so I pay it without
> protest. Yeah,
> > right. I'm not that much of a pushover. In the past I've gotten a
> break like
> > that when I actually was driving unsafely. I took the break and
paid
> the
> > ticket, and that was the end of messing around on the street for
me.
> That
> > was a couple years ago.
> >
> > Anyhow, it just ****es me off that cops do crap like that. I mean
> honestly,
> > if I was doing anything careless or unsafe give me the points.
That's
> what
> > points are for, to add up and get bad drivers off the road. I'd
> rather not
> > have a corrupt system and if I actually do something I shouldn't,
> take some
> > points and so be it. Not this BS like we have where even if you get
a
> points
> > ticket you just go to court and they don't even wanna hear or know
> what
> > happened, you get in a line and tell them whether or not you will
> take their
> > deal of a different fine and no points. It's nothing but revenue
> collection,
> > hence the seatbelt ticket I got. He knows a careless driving ticket
> is BS,
> > so he gives a seatbelt ticket thinking it makes him look good and
> that I'll
> > pay it instead of missing work (cops need a certain number of
tickets
> to be
> > put up for promotions, if they don't write enough tickets it's
> frowned upon
> > and assumed that they are not doing their job). By missing work
yeah
> I'll
> > lose some more money by not working than I would if I were to pay
it,
> but
> > not all that much more being as how I work part time for my
college.
> My work
> > that I actually make money on, computer work and consulting, I
> schedule for
> > whenever is convenient for me.
> >
> > Well, I just had to vent a bit, as this is frustrating. Me and the
> > girlfriend ended up missing the movie we were going to and went to
> the next
> > show. The end result was I ended up leaving for CT an hour and some
> change
> > later than I wanted to, which kinda stunk.
> >
> > Cory
>
> Cory, have to start thinking out of the box...PBA card?, get your
> driving transcript at DMV and see where you stand with points? are
you
> paying insurance surcharge? use a bike? etc.
Use a bike? What are you some kind of communist?

>
> Peter