Carb cleaners

Steve W. wrote:
> Henry wrote:
>> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
>>
>>> Because they're engaged in an evil conspiracy to get
>>> rich selling you more gasoline. Same reason they've
>>> suppressed the 500 mpg carburetor for all these decades.
>> Back in 1984, Hot Rod Magazine did an article on a
>> Pontiac Fiero that was powered by what Smokey Yunick
>> called a "hot air engine". Hot Rod said it might be the
>> most significant advancement in engine technology since
>> the Otto cycle engine. They added that this may seem like
>> an extraordinary statement, but the car they tested is
>> worthy of it.
>> Smokey's 4 cylinder Fiero engine made 250hp, got about
>> 50mpg, put out much low emissions than the standard
>> engine, and ran very smoothly. Basically, the fuel was
>> vaporized using heat from the exhaust before being introduced
>> to the combustion chambers. Carburetors and modern fuel
>> injection puts liquid fuel into the combustion chambers,
>> which doesn't burn cleanly or completely.
>> Not saying there was a conspiracy to suppress his
>> invention, but given that the car was actually built,
>> and how impressed Hot Rod Magazine editors were, I do
>> wonder why the technology was never perfected and mass
>> produced. From what I've read, it was due to legal and
>> patent issues. Here's a link to the original article from
>> 1984 along with a couple more.


http://tinyurl.com/m8w8f8
http://www.gassavers.org/archive/ind...ne/t-7868.html
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Smo...iabatic_engine



> The problem with the Smoksters engine was that it couldn't take the
> heat. Fieros are notorious for engine fires to begin with as well.

What about the technology itself, which is using vaporized
fuel vs atomized liquid fuel?

> Also in a modern fuel injected engine there is far less than
> 1% unburned fuel.

That seems pretty low. Where'd you get that number?



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little man upon the stair wrote:
> On Aug 13, 6:57 am, Henry > wrote:
>
>> Back in 1984, Hot Rod Magazine did an article on a
>> Pontiac Fiero that was powered by what Smokey Yunick
>> called a "hot air engine".

http://tinyurl.com/m8w8f8
http://www.gassavers.org/archive/ind...ne/t-7868.html
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Smo...iabatic_engine


> Thanks for the links. I'd heard about Smokey's theory that engines
> could run on smoke before, and I've actually worked on power
> generation equipment that ran off of vapors caused by heating a solid
> fuel until it started smoking so that it could be burnt.
>
> But, looking at the diagrams of Smokey's Fiero engine, it looks like
> he needed a bunch of ancillary equipment to do what is now done in
> greater safety *inside* the combustion chamber of a modern 4-valve
> engine with all the charge tumbling and swirling that goes on.
>
> I don't follow automotive engines that closely any more, but if there
> are direct fuel injected gasoline engines that aim the fuel right at
> the top of the hot piston, I suppose you could get 50 mpg out of a 2.5
> liter engine.

My '05 Subaru got 250hp out of a 2.5 liter turbocharged engine,
but it got 15mpg instead of 50...


http://tinyurl.com/m8w8f8
http://www.gassavers.org/archive/ind...ne/t-7868.html
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Smo...iabatic_engine




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Steve W. > wrote:

> Also in a modern fuel injected engine there is far less than 1% unburned
> fuel. The injectors do a great job atomizing the fuel.

Heh. Keep at it. He'll be postings reams of stuff on how the CIA
suppressed the engine, next.



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The Older Clown, whilst cowering behidn its killfile timidly obsessed:
> Steve W. > wrote:

>> Also in a modern fuel injected engine there is far less than 1% unburned
>> fuel. The injectors do a great job atomizing the fuel.

> Heh. Keep at it. He'll be postings reams of stuff on how the CIA
> suppressed the engine, next.

The older clown will tell us that some guy with a long beard
who lives in cave did it... <chuckle>


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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:57:32 -0400, Henry wrote:
>
>> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
>>
>>> Because they're engaged in an evil conspiracy to get
>>> rich selling you more gasoline. Same reason they've
>>> suppressed the 500 mpg carburetor for all these decades.
>> Back in 1984, Hot Rod Magazine did an article on a
>> Pontiac Fiero that was powered by what Smokey Yunick
>> called a "hot air engine". Hot Rod said it might be the
>> most significant advancement in engine technology since
>> the Otto cycle engine. They added that this may seem like
>> an extraordinary statement, but the car they tested is
>> worthy of it.



http://tinyurl.com/m8w8f8
http://www.gassavers.org/archive/ind...ne/t-7868.html
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Smo...iabatic_engine



> The technology has actually been used in aircraft engines for years.


How many Years? Got a link? I'd like to read up on it.


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"Hachiroku ????" > wrote
Henry wrote:
>
>> Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
>>
>>> Because they're engaged in an evil conspiracy to get
>>> rich selling you more gasoline. Same reason they've
>>> suppressed the 500 mpg carburetor for all these decades.
>>
>> Back in 1984, Hot Rod Magazine did an article on a
>> Pontiac Fiero that was powered by what Smokey Yunick
>> called a "hot air engine". Hot Rod said it might be the
>> most significant advancement in engine technology since
>> the Otto cycle engine. They added that this may seem like
>> an extraordinary statement, but the car they tested is
>> worthy of it.
>
> And I remember one mail respondent's response to that article:
>
> "Abadiated, my ass!"
>
> The technology has actually been used in aircraft engines for years.
>
And most cars had intake manifolds heated by exhaust passages.

Vito wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" > wrote
> Henry wrote:

>>> Back in 1984, Hot Rod Magazine did an article on a
>>> Pontiac Fiero that was powered by what Smokey Yunick
>>> called a "hot air engine". Hot Rod said it might be the
>>> most significant advancement in engine technology since
>>> the Otto cycle engine. They added that this may seem like
>>> an extraordinary statement, but the car they tested is
>>> worthy of it.
>> And I remember one mail respondent's response to that article:
>>
>> "Abadiated, my ass!"

>> The technology has actually been used in aircraft engines for years.

> And most cars had intake manifolds heated by exhaust passages.

But of course, that's a far cry from burning vaporized fuel
as described below...



http://tinyurl.com/m8w8f8
http://www.gassavers.org/archive/ind...ne/t-7868.html
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Smo...iabatic_engine






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"Henry" > wrote
> Vito wrote:
>> "Hachiroku ????" > wrote
>>> The technology has actually been used in aircraft engines for years.
>
>> And most cars had intake manifolds heated by exhaust passages.
>
> But of course, that's a far cry from burning vaporized fuel
> as described below...
>
Nope. Same thing. A "heat riser" valve directs hot gasses from the exhaust
ports onto the underside of the intake manifold making the runners very hot
and farther vaporising the mix from the carb.

On Aug 13, 12:10*pm, Schiffner > wrote:
> On Aug 13, 8:43*am, CEG > wrote:
>
> > Is that why they were prone to fires?- Hide quoted text -
>
> No, iirc once around the water cooler with the mechanics the opinion
> was not enough sheilding on the header and the catlytic conveter in
> conjust with oil leaks. I seem to recall one cure is to drup in a
> complete 1st gen Caddilac northstar drive train.

Yep, that'd fix 'er up! :-)

> * Back in 1984, Hot Rod Magazine did an article on a
> Pontiac Fiero that was powered by what Smokey Yunick
> called a "hot air engine".

He got the interest of GM and Chrysler.
He built a 2.5 liter K car with these same spec's.
A good idea, but piston temp's killed it.
He used superheated intake air and high turbo boost...