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On 3/2/2014 4:53 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> dsi1 > wrote: >> >> I understand the difference. When I say "code reader" I mean code reader, n= >> ot a scanner. I'm not interested in a scanner. If a code reader has limited= >> appeal for me, why the heck would I spend the money to get a glorified cod= >> e reader? My old reader could give me info in real time too - big deal. > > Because, as I said earlier, the scanner is not a glorified code reader. > They are two totally different tools, like a screwdriver is different > than a drill press. > >> You do understand that I am not a professional mechanic, don't you? There's= >> absolutely no reason for me to get a scanner. Get a scanner if you want, I= >> think it'll make you feel like you're a real mechanic. :-) > > It doesn't matter if you're professional or not. There were a lot of things > that you could see on your Plymouth Valiant and determine by mechanical > position what their state was. Those things are gone today, and today you > need the scanner to tell what the state of the machine is. > > In the case of the fuel system, feedback control means that not only can't > you tell the state of the system by looking at it the way you could on that > Valiant carb, but the system can be totally screwed up and the feedback loop > compensating for the problem. And the system will keep compensating, until > you run out of margin and then all of a sudden it doesn't. > > So the scan tool has become a basic, fundamental tool for doing any sort of > diagnosis on modern cars. If you don't want to work on modern cars, that > is fine. But unfortunately, if you're going to do even basic work on newer > models, it's become necessary. Now, if you're not a professional mechanic > there's no reason you can't just keep driving that Valiant, and that's fine > too. > --scott > My last few cars have had all alloy engines with technically advanced engines i.e., variable valve timing, DHOC, 4 and 5 valves per cylinder, turbocharged. Don't talk down to me. I have to wonder about mechanics that need a scanner to diagnose a bad thermostat. Sounds like a bunch of numbskulls to me. Sorry, if you're trying to sell me on scanners, I ain't buying. Try some other sucker. |
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dsi1 wrote:
> On 3/2/2014 4:53 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: >> dsi1 > wrote: >>> >>> I understand the difference. When I say "code reader" I mean code >>> reader, n= >>> ot a scanner. I'm not interested in a scanner. If a code reader has >>> limited= >>> appeal for me, why the heck would I spend the money to get a >>> glorified cod= >>> e reader? My old reader could give me info in real time too - big deal. >> >> Because, as I said earlier, the scanner is not a glorified code reader. >> They are two totally different tools, like a screwdriver is different >> than a drill press. >> >>> You do understand that I am not a professional mechanic, don't you? >>> There's= >>> absolutely no reason for me to get a scanner. Get a scanner if you >>> want, I= >>> think it'll make you feel like you're a real mechanic. :-) >> >> It doesn't matter if you're professional or not. There were a lot of >> things >> that you could see on your Plymouth Valiant and determine by mechanical >> position what their state was. Those things are gone today, and today >> you >> need the scanner to tell what the state of the machine is. >> >> In the case of the fuel system, feedback control means that not only >> can't >> you tell the state of the system by looking at it the way you could on >> that >> Valiant carb, but the system can be totally screwed up and the >> feedback loop >> compensating for the problem. And the system will keep compensating, >> until >> you run out of margin and then all of a sudden it doesn't. >> >> So the scan tool has become a basic, fundamental tool for doing any >> sort of >> diagnosis on modern cars. If you don't want to work on modern cars, that >> is fine. But unfortunately, if you're going to do even basic work on >> newer >> models, it's become necessary. Now, if you're not a professional >> mechanic >> there's no reason you can't just keep driving that Valiant, and that's >> fine >> too. >> --scott >> > > My last few cars have had all alloy engines with technically advanced > engines i.e., variable valve timing, DHOC, 4 and 5 valves per cylinder, > turbocharged. Don't talk down to me. I have to wonder about mechanics > that need a scanner to diagnose a bad thermostat. Sounds like a bunch of > numbskulls to me. Sorry, if you're trying to sell me on scanners, I > ain't buying. Try some other sucker. > No one cares if you get a scan tool, you are obviously too dumb to understand why one is necessary on modern cars. GW |
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On 3/2/2014 12:05 PM, Geoff Welsh wrote:
> > No one cares if you get a scan tool, you are obviously too dumb to > understand why one is necessary on modern cars. > > GW > You guys sure have a funny way of showing that you don't care. (-: |
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dsi1 > wrote in
: > > You're taking this personally. My remarks were not directed at you. Oh, yes they were. From March 27th: "I'm betting that you're one of those mechanics that answers the question, 'Are you sure replacing the part will this fix the problem?' with a shrug." You've been quite insulting towards Steve W. Plus you've been making a fool of yourself in public by refusing to admit that you've been wrong and he's been right. Some of us shake our heads when we read your twisting-and- turning. -- Tegger |
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dsi1 > wrote in
: > I have to wonder about > mechanics that need a scanner to diagnose a bad thermostat. No, the scanner was used to diagnose a P0128. Which turned out to be a bad thermostat only once other factors were considered. > Sounds like a bunch of numbskulls to me. Another personal insult directed at Steve W. You're very brave behind that anonymous keyboard. -- Tegger |
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On Monday, March 3, 2014 3:00:42 AM UTC-10, Tegger wrote:
> dsi1 <dsi1> wrote in > > : > > > > > > > > You're taking this personally. My remarks were not directed at you. > > > > > > Oh, yes they were. From March 27th: > > "I'm betting that you're one of those mechanics that answers the > > question, 'Are you sure replacing the part will this fix the problem?' > > with a shrug." > > > > You've been quite insulting towards Steve W. Plus you've been making a fool > > of yourself in public by refusing to admit that you've been wrong and he's > > been right. Some of us shake our heads when we read your twisting-and- > > turning. > > > > > > -- > > Tegger Who are you, his flunky? I don't have the time to bicker with people that have nothing better to do. Feel free to talk about the supreme wonderfulness of scanners - just leave me out of it. Thanks! 👹 |
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On Monday, March 3, 2014 3:07:44 AM UTC-10, Tegger wrote:
> dsi1 > wrote in > > : > > > > > I have to wonder about > > > mechanics that need a scanner to diagnose a bad thermostat. > > > > > > No, the scanner was used to diagnose a P0128. Which turned out to be a bad > > thermostat only once other factors were considered. > > > > > > > Sounds like a bunch of numbskulls to me. > > > > > > Another personal insult directed at Steve W. > > > > You're very brave behind that anonymous keyboard. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tegger "Tegger?" Why not post your name and address since you're so brave and honest? |
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