There's much more than drunk drivers that need to be controlled

On 28 Sep 2006 13:09:31 -0700, "donquijote1954"
> wrote:


>
>Description:
>For more than 30 years, the government has been ramming cars into walls
>in an effort to make car crashes safe. The public has been conditioned
>to believe that seatbelts, airbags and more "crashworthy" vehicles are
>the best ways to protect us from harm on the roads. Meanwhile, the most
>basic strategies to deter dangerous driving and prevent crashes have
>been ignored. "It's No Accident" provides a rare glimpse into how the
>government got seduced by the promise of "safe crashing." It then
>examines the major factors involved in crashes today, including
>speeding, aggressive driving, distractions (e.g. cell phones) and
>drowsy driving. The author reveals that many dangerous behaviors are
>now promoted by businesses, and that drivers who kill often walk away
>with just a small fine. This expose is a must-read for anyone concerned
>about what's happening on our roads and how to stop it.
>

Yes indeed, the automotive industy encourages reckless driving because
they make a fortune off replacing all the cars totalled in crashes
every year. And the media is paid to go along with it by carrying all
these sick commercials that glorify speeding and by referring to all
crashes as accidents.

The highway murder problem is the biggest crime problem in america and
the most correctable Stop coddling these deadly speeders and DUIs and
phone-drivers.

On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:19:25 -0400, "BE" > wrote:

>That's right, what passes for safety these days is nothing more than
>accident survival.
>
>The emphisis needs to return to accident prevention and the enforcement of
>lane integrity laws.
>

Lane integrity laws.?? HAHAHA. What about the deadly speeders and
drunk drivers, you nitwit??

P.Roehling wrote:
> "Nate Nagel" > wrote
>
>
>>The correct solution is to not have left exits and to enforce lane
>>discipline laws, and then this discussion will be irrelevant.
>
>
> Gee, if only the world were perfect...but it isn't, and never will be; which
> means that such arguments will remain relevant for the foreseeable
> future...or until whenever humanity becomes extinct.
>
>

you make it sound like I'm suggesting something outlandish; I'm not.
Currently the DC beltway is having several interchanges rebuilt and
I believe that the long term plan is to eliminate left exits. So at
least some highway engineers and urban planners agree with me. My other
suggestion was to enforce an existing law. What's so radical about that?

nate

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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" > wrote in
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> On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:19:25 -0400, "BE" > wrote:
>
>>That's right, what passes for safety these days is nothing more than
>>accident survival.
>>
>>The emphisis needs to return to accident prevention and the enforcement of
>>lane integrity laws.
>>
>
> Lane integrity laws.?? HAHAHA. What about the deadly speeders and
> drunk drivers, you nitwit??
>

Yeah. Here in Illinois, you're supposed to use a signal when changing
lanes. That's been a law since 1965 and they still don't do it on average
up here.

Or the law about turning your lights on when using your wipers. That's been
a law since 1990.

Or the law about doing more than 20 over the limit is a felony. If that's
so, then 99.999% of the drivers on the TriState Tollway are felons, because
the average speed most of the time is nearer 80 than 55. I've seen some
days when it hit closer to 90, and even the right lane is going 75-80.

Charles of Schaumburg

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> Lane integrity laws.??

That's right.

You see, enforcing lane discipline and eliminating tailgating in the
States would demonstrate that highway speed limits are largely
unneccesary -- but the cops and politicians don't want that. After all,
safer highways mean less revenue for the government. Instead, they
allow unskilled nincompoops in 6,000-pound SUVs to drive like the
inattentive morons they are, nabbing them in droves for going 5-over at
$150 a pop. Easy money.

Any number of studies and stats can be googled that show how in areas
where highway speed limits are higher, per-capita fatalities are LOWER.
Germany, Italy, and (until recently) Montana are all good examples,
just for starters.

Tim Kreitz
2003 ZX7R
2000 ZX6R
http://www.timkreitz.com

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:13:39 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS > wrote:
>Stop coddling these deadly speeders and DUIs and phone-drivers.

Yea, and make stepping on the brakes in the merge lanes a felony. You
can't merge on a highway with your foot on the brake!

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 04:22:51 -0500, "n5hsr" > wrote:


>
>Or the law about doing more than 20 over the limit is a felony. If that's
>so, then 99.999% of the drivers on the TriState Tollway are felons, because
>the average speed most of the time is nearer 80 than 55. I've seen some
>days when it hit closer to 90, and even the right lane is going 75-80.
>
>Charles of Schaumburg
>

I don't believe there is any such law, though i'd love to see it. You
got a link?

On 29 Sep 2006 06:48:10 -0700, "Tim Kreitz" >
wrote:


>
>Any number of studies and stats can be googled that show how in areas
>where highway speed limits are higher, per-capita fatalities are LOWER.
>Germany, Italy, and (until recently) Montana are all good examples,
>just for starters.
>

HAHAHAHA. Don't start in with that nonsense again. The issue was
settled back in 1974 when america went to the 55 and immediately
highway deaths plumetted.

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:46:22 -0400, PeterD > wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:13:39 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>MURDERERS > wrote:
>>Stop coddling these deadly speeders and DUIs and phone-drivers.
>
>Yea, and make stepping on the brakes in the merge lanes a felony. You
>can't merge on a highway with your foot on the brake!

Are you serious??. Sometimes you have to slow down to merge. That's
the stupidest idea i ever heard.

Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:19:25 -0400, "BE" > wrote:
>
> >That's right, what passes for safety these days is nothing more than
> >accident survival.
> >
> >The emphisis needs to return to accident prevention and the enforcement of
> >lane integrity laws.
> >
>
> Lane integrity laws.?? HAHAHA. What about the deadly speeders and
> drunk drivers, you nitwit??

Speeding isn't necessarily dangerous - inattentive driving is. Speed
makes the consequences of an accident worse, but it rarely causes
accidents. Cops could prevent many more accidents if they stopped
targeting speeders and started giving tickets to people who change
lanes without signaling, drive in the left lane and don't move over for
traffic behind them, prevent others from mergin in front of them, eat
and drink while driving, talk on the phone, fiddle with the radio,
etc., etc.

Of course this is much harder than sitting in a speed trap with the
radar gun, and would bring in less ticket revenue.

-Gniewko