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Do I really need new brakes?
On May 20, 8:39*pm, "E. Meyer" > wrote:
> On 5/20/10 4:50 PM, in article , *OK. Honda recommends it, but my experience > says they don't vibrate when you change the pads, the wear is acceptable (at > least 90k miles between pad changes), and I have not experienced a rotor > destroyed because of a stuck caliper eating off the outer pad. *I have > experienced a stuck caliper and the wear indicator signaled the wear prior > to any damage. > > I do agree that 2mm is time to replace the pads. *That's pretty thin. * See - this is why I suspect my Honda Dealer is lying to me. As you say, "90k miles between pad changes"... This is exactly what my former-mechanic friend said to me, that no way I should need brakes at 14k miles. I guess I won't know until I get someone I can trust to open up the brakes and show them to me. Yeah, they have to show them at the Dealer but I figure they just keep an old one with 2mm laying around so they can use that to show me... |
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Do I really need new brakes?
On 05/24/10 05:14, A. Nonimus wrote:
> On May 20, 8:39 pm, "E. > wrote: >> On 5/20/10 4:50 PM, in article , > OK. Honda recommends it, but my experience >> says they don't vibrate when you change the pads, the wear is acceptable (at >> least 90k miles between pad changes), and I have not experienced a rotor >> destroyed because of a stuck caliper eating off the outer pad. I have >> experienced a stuck caliper and the wear indicator signaled the wear prior >> to any damage. >> >> I do agree that 2mm is time to replace the pads. That's pretty thin. > > See - this is why I suspect my Honda Dealer is lying to me. As you > say, "90k miles between pad changes"... > This is exactly what my former-mechanic friend said to me, that no way > I should need brakes at 14k miles. > > I guess I won't know until I get someone I can trust to open up the > brakes and show them to me. > Yeah, they have to show them at the Dealer but I figure they just keep > an old one with 2mm laying around so they can use that to show me... I always tell the dealer or other potential miscreant that I want to see them on the car. |
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Do I really need new brakes?
On May 26, 7:04*am, "E. Meyer" > wrote:
> On 5/24/10 4:14 AM, in article > , "A. > > > > Nonimus" > wrote: > > On May 20, 8:39*pm, "E. Meyer" > wrote: > >> On 5/20/10 4:50 PM, in article , > > *OK. Honda recommends it, but my experience > >> says they don't vibrate when you change the pads, the wear is acceptable (at > >> least 90k miles between pad changes), and I have not experienced a rotor > >> destroyed because of a stuck caliper eating off the outer pad. *I have > >> experienced a stuck caliper and the wear indicator signaled the wear prior > >> to any damage. > > >> I do agree that 2mm is time to replace the pads. *That's pretty thin.. * > > > See - this is why I suspect my Honda Dealer is lying to me. As you > > say, "90k miles between pad changes"... > > This is exactly what my former-mechanic friend said to me, that no way > > I should need brakes at 14k miles. > > > I guess I won't know until I get someone I can trust to open up the > > brakes and show them to me. > > Yeah, they have to show them at the Dealer but I figure they just keep > > an old one with 2mm laying around so they can use that to show me... > > Just ask them to show you while they're still on the car. *If they have > already shown you a pads off the car, then you know what they look like. *On > the car look to see what's between the plate and the rotor (big shiny disk > that gets squeezed by the brake pads). *Actually you can easily look at the > outer pad yourself by simply removing the wheel as if changing a flat. > > If, as has been discussed, the inner or outer pad is gone and the other one > on the same wheel looks like new, you have a stuck caliper. *If that is the > case, repair should be covered under the new car warranty. Okay, I did finally take my car in and have the brakes looked at by an independent mechanic. The guy I wanted to take it to who I trusted is no longer in business so I took it to the guy who took over his business. He showed me the brakes. I really didn't know exactly what I was seeing but I could see the pads were down pretty low. He said 3mm so that's 1mm more than the Dealership said, after having put about 3000 or so more miles on them. However he said the rotors were also shot and needed to be replaced. Whether they were or not, I don't know but the guy seemed trustworthy. He also showed me the tread left on 2 of my tires and said I could get a bit more out of them but I may as well replace them now. I could see that he was right on that, so I figured if the tires were shot the brakes probably were too. He replaced 2 tires that had worn unevenly and the brakes and rotors, an air filter, cleaning up the rear brakes and doing some kind of maintenance on those, and replacing oil all for around $550. I really don't know if the rotors needed replacement or not but I decided to trust him because what else am I gonna do? If I take it back to the dealer and they say it needs new rotors they would charge me almost double what he was charging me, and even if they were able to resurface the rotors (which this guy said there was not enough metal left to do), then they'd charge me about 2/3 of what it cost me to replace them here, just to resurface them. So all in all, if the guy does a good job, I guess it is worth it to get new brakes and tires etc. now instead of waiting til they become completely useless. |
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On 06/15/2010 03:34 PM, A. Nonimus wrote:
> On May 26, 7:04�am, "E. > wrote: >> On 5/24/10 4:14 AM, in article >> , "A. >> >> >> >> > wrote: >>> On May 20, 8:39�pm, "E. > wrote: >>>> On 5/20/10 4:50 PM, in article , >>> �OK. Honda recommends it, but my experience >>>> says they don't vibrate when you change the pads, the wear is acceptable (at >>>> least 90k miles between pad changes), and I have not experienced a rotor >>>> destroyed because of a stuck caliper eating off the outer pad. �I have >>>> experienced a stuck caliper and the wear indicator signaled the wear prior >>>> to any damage. >> >>>> I do agree that 2mm is time to replace the pads. �That's pretty thin. � >> >>> See - this is why I suspect my Honda Dealer is lying to me. As you >>> say, "90k miles between pad changes"... >>> This is exactly what my former-mechanic friend said to me, that no way >>> I should need brakes at 14k miles. >> >>> I guess I won't know until I get someone I can trust to open up the >>> brakes and show them to me. >>> Yeah, they have to show them at the Dealer but I figure they just keep >>> an old one with 2mm laying around so they can use that to show me... >> >> Just ask them to show you while they're still on the car. �If they have >> already shown you a pads off the car, then you know what they look like. �On >> the car look to see what's between the plate and the rotor (big shiny disk >> that gets squeezed by the brake pads). �Actually you can easily look at the >> outer pad yourself by simply removing the wheel as if changing a flat. >> >> If, as has been discussed, the inner or outer pad is gone and the other one >> on the same wheel looks like new, you have a stuck caliper. �If that is the >> case, repair should be covered under the new car warranty. > > Okay, I did finally take my car in and have the brakes looked at by an > independent mechanic. > > The guy I wanted to take it to who I trusted is no longer in business > so I took it to the guy who took over his business. > He showed me the brakes. I really didn't know exactly what I was > seeing but I could see the pads were down pretty low. He said 3mm so > that's 1mm more than the Dealership said, after having put about 3000 > or so more miles on them. However he said the rotors were also shot > and needed to be replaced. Whether they were or not, I don't know but > the guy seemed trustworthy. > > He also showed me the tread left on 2 of my tires and said I could get > a bit more out of them but I may as well replace them now. I could see > that he was right on that, so I figured if the tires were shot the > brakes probably were too. tire wear does NOT affect brake wear! or vice versa. > > He replaced 2 tires that had worn unevenly did he do an alignment check? faulty alignment is the only thing that causes uneven tire wear. > and the brakes and rotors, > an air filter, cleaning up the rear brakes and doing some kind of > maintenance on those, and replacing oil all for around $550. I really > don't know if the rotors needed replacement or not but I decided to > trust him because what else am I gonna do? If I take it back to the > dealer and they say it needs new rotors they would charge me almost > double what he was charging me, and even if they were able to > resurface the rotors (which this guy said there was not enough metal > left to do), then they'd charge me about 2/3 of what it cost me to > replace them here, just to resurface them. > > So all in all, if the guy does a good job, I guess it is worth it to > get new brakes and tires etc. now instead of waiting til they become > completely useless. -- nomina rutrum rutrum |
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Do I really need new brakes?
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:33:03 -0700, jim beam > wrote:
>On 06/15/2010 03:34 PM, A. Nonimus wrote: >> On May 26, 7:04???am, "E. > wrote: >>> On 5/24/10 4:14 AM, in article >>> , "A. >>> >>> >>> >>> > wrote: >>>> On May 20, 8:39???pm, "E. > wrote: >>>>> On 5/20/10 4:50 PM, in article , >>>> ???OK. Honda recommends it, but my experience >>>>> says they don't vibrate when you change the pads, the wear is acceptable (at >>>>> least 90k miles between pad changes), and I have not experienced a rotor >>>>> destroyed because of a stuck caliper eating off the outer pad. ???I have >>>>> experienced a stuck caliper and the wear indicator signaled the wear prior >>>>> to any damage. >>> >>>>> I do agree that 2mm is time to replace the pads. ???That's pretty thin. ??? >>> >>>> See - this is why I suspect my Honda Dealer is lying to me. As you >>>> say, "90k miles between pad changes"... >>>> This is exactly what my former-mechanic friend said to me, that no way >>>> I should need brakes at 14k miles. >>> >>>> I guess I won't know until I get someone I can trust to open up the >>>> brakes and show them to me. >>>> Yeah, they have to show them at the Dealer but I figure they just keep >>>> an old one with 2mm laying around so they can use that to show me... >>> >>> Just ask them to show you while they're still on the car. ???If they have >>> already shown you a pads off the car, then you know what they look like. ???On >>> the car look to see what's between the plate and the rotor (big shiny disk >>> that gets squeezed by the brake pads). ???Actually you can easily look at the >>> outer pad yourself by simply removing the wheel as if changing a flat. >>> >>> If, as has been discussed, the inner or outer pad is gone and the other one >>> on the same wheel looks like new, you have a stuck caliper. ???If that is the >>> case, repair should be covered under the new car warranty. >> >> Okay, I did finally take my car in and have the brakes looked at by an >> independent mechanic. >> >> The guy I wanted to take it to who I trusted is no longer in business >> so I took it to the guy who took over his business. >> He showed me the brakes. I really didn't know exactly what I was >> seeing but I could see the pads were down pretty low. He said 3mm so >> that's 1mm more than the Dealership said, after having put about 3000 >> or so more miles on them. However he said the rotors were also shot >> and needed to be replaced. Whether they were or not, I don't know but >> the guy seemed trustworthy. >> >> He also showed me the tread left on 2 of my tires and said I could get >> a bit more out of them but I may as well replace them now. I could see >> that he was right on that, so I figured if the tires were shot the >> brakes probably were too. >tire wear does NOT affect brake wear! or vice versa. >> >> He replaced 2 tires that had worn unevenly >did he do an alignment check? faulty alignment is the only thing that >causes uneven tire wear. or blown struts/shocks. |
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On 06/15/2010 08:59 PM, AZ Nomad wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:33:03 -0700, jim > wrote: >> On 06/15/2010 03:34 PM, A. Nonimus wrote: >>> On May 26, 7:04???am, "E. > wrote: >>>> On 5/24/10 4:14 AM, in article >>>> , "A. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>>> On May 20, 8:39???pm, "E. > wrote: >>>>>> On 5/20/10 4:50 PM, in article , >>>>> ???OK. Honda recommends it, but my experience >>>>>> says they don't vibrate when you change the pads, the wear is acceptable (at >>>>>> least 90k miles between pad changes), and I have not experienced a rotor >>>>>> destroyed because of a stuck caliper eating off the outer pad. ???I have >>>>>> experienced a stuck caliper and the wear indicator signaled the wear prior >>>>>> to any damage. >>>> >>>>>> I do agree that 2mm is time to replace the pads. ???That's pretty thin. ??? >>>> >>>>> See - this is why I suspect my Honda Dealer is lying to me. As you >>>>> say, "90k miles between pad changes"... >>>>> This is exactly what my former-mechanic friend said to me, that no way >>>>> I should need brakes at 14k miles. >>>> >>>>> I guess I won't know until I get someone I can trust to open up the >>>>> brakes and show them to me. >>>>> Yeah, they have to show them at the Dealer but I figure they just keep >>>>> an old one with 2mm laying around so they can use that to show me... >>>> >>>> Just ask them to show you while they're still on the car. ???If they have >>>> already shown you a pads off the car, then you know what they look like. ???On >>>> the car look to see what's between the plate and the rotor (big shiny disk >>>> that gets squeezed by the brake pads). ???Actually you can easily look at the >>>> outer pad yourself by simply removing the wheel as if changing a flat. >>>> >>>> If, as has been discussed, the inner or outer pad is gone and the other one >>>> on the same wheel looks like new, you have a stuck caliper. ???If that is the >>>> case, repair should be covered under the new car warranty. >>> >>> Okay, I did finally take my car in and have the brakes looked at by an >>> independent mechanic. >>> >>> The guy I wanted to take it to who I trusted is no longer in business >>> so I took it to the guy who took over his business. >>> He showed me the brakes. I really didn't know exactly what I was >>> seeing but I could see the pads were down pretty low. He said 3mm so >>> that's 1mm more than the Dealership said, after having put about 3000 >>> or so more miles on them. However he said the rotors were also shot >>> and needed to be replaced. Whether they were or not, I don't know but >>> the guy seemed trustworthy. >>> >>> He also showed me the tread left on 2 of my tires and said I could get >>> a bit more out of them but I may as well replace them now. I could see >>> that he was right on that, so I figured if the tires were shot the >>> brakes probably were too. > >> tire wear does NOT affect brake wear! or vice versa. > > >>> >>> He replaced 2 tires that had worn unevenly > >> did he do an alignment check? faulty alignment is the only thing that >> causes uneven tire wear. > > or blown struts/shocks. ok. that's typically called "cupping" as opposed to "uneven" though. -- nomina rutrum rutrum |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:47:31 -0700, jim beam > wrote:
>On 06/15/2010 08:59 PM, AZ Nomad wrote: >> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:33:03 -0700, jim > wrote: >>> On 06/15/2010 03:34 PM, A. Nonimus wrote: >>>> On May 26, 7:04???am, "E. > wrote: >>>>> On 5/24/10 4:14 AM, in article >>>>> , "A. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> On May 20, 8:39???pm, "E. > wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/20/10 4:50 PM, in article , >>>>>> ???OK. Honda recommends it, but my experience >>>>>>> says they don't vibrate when you change the pads, the wear is acceptable (at >>>>>>> least 90k miles between pad changes), and I have not experienced a rotor >>>>>>> destroyed because of a stuck caliper eating off the outer pad. ???I have >>>>>>> experienced a stuck caliper and the wear indicator signaled the wear prior >>>>>>> to any damage. >>>>> >>>>>>> I do agree that 2mm is time to replace the pads. ???That's pretty thin. ??? >>>>> >>>>>> See - this is why I suspect my Honda Dealer is lying to me. As you >>>>>> say, "90k miles between pad changes"... >>>>>> This is exactly what my former-mechanic friend said to me, that no way >>>>>> I should need brakes at 14k miles. >>>>> >>>>>> I guess I won't know until I get someone I can trust to open up the >>>>>> brakes and show them to me. >>>>>> Yeah, they have to show them at the Dealer but I figure they just keep >>>>>> an old one with 2mm laying around so they can use that to show me... >>>>> >>>>> Just ask them to show you while they're still on the car. ???If they have >>>>> already shown you a pads off the car, then you know what they look like. ???On >>>>> the car look to see what's between the plate and the rotor (big shiny disk >>>>> that gets squeezed by the brake pads). ???Actually you can easily look at the >>>>> outer pad yourself by simply removing the wheel as if changing a flat. >>>>> >>>>> If, as has been discussed, the inner or outer pad is gone and the other one >>>>> on the same wheel looks like new, you have a stuck caliper. ???If that is the >>>>> case, repair should be covered under the new car warranty. >>>> >>>> Okay, I did finally take my car in and have the brakes looked at by an >>>> independent mechanic. >>>> >>>> The guy I wanted to take it to who I trusted is no longer in business >>>> so I took it to the guy who took over his business. >>>> He showed me the brakes. I really didn't know exactly what I was >>>> seeing but I could see the pads were down pretty low. He said 3mm so >>>> that's 1mm more than the Dealership said, after having put about 3000 >>>> or so more miles on them. However he said the rotors were also shot >>>> and needed to be replaced. Whether they were or not, I don't know but >>>> the guy seemed trustworthy. >>>> >>>> He also showed me the tread left on 2 of my tires and said I could get >>>> a bit more out of them but I may as well replace them now. I could see >>>> that he was right on that, so I figured if the tires were shot the >>>> brakes probably were too. >> >>> tire wear does NOT affect brake wear! or vice versa. >> >> >>>> >>>> He replaced 2 tires that had worn unevenly >> >>> did he do an alignment check? faulty alignment is the only thing that >>> causes uneven tire wear. >> >> or blown struts/shocks. >ok. that's typically called "cupping" as opposed to "uneven" though. appologies for being so anal. I latch on to all absolute statements. I tried really hard to think of other examples. Couldn't. :-) Well, maybe one. Defective tires can also cause uneven wear. ;-P |
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