Recharging A/C on 1999 Dodge Caravan

I tried Recharging the A/C on my girlfriends 1999 Dodge Caravan Sport today I got the kit " charger hose and 3 cans of 134a. my end result It blows nothing but hot air. It was cooler before I tried to recharge it. It would only take half a can and it's the small can so decided to bleed out what was left inthe line by pressing in the valve it still would only take half and it is the right connection it can only fit one way am I doing something wrong? please help before my girlfriend kills me


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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, epeart wrote:

> I tried Recharging the A/C on my girlfriends 1999 Dodge Caravan Sport
> today I got the kit " charger hose and 3 cans of 134a. my end result It
> blows nothing but hot air. It was cooler before I tried to recharge it.
> It would only take half a can and it's the small can so decided to bleed
> out what was left inthe line by pressing in the valve it still would
> take half and it is the right connection it can only fit one way am I
> only doing something wrong?

Yes, you're doing something wrong: ****in' around with your girlfriend's
vehicle without knowing what you're doing.

> please help before my girlfriend kills me

Count yourself fortunate you didn't kill yourself; A/C work is dangerous
when you don't know what you're doing or how to do it.

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, epeart wrote:
>
>
>>I tried Recharging the A/C on my girlfriends 1999 Dodge Caravan Sport
>>today I got the kit " charger hose and 3 cans of 134a. my end result It
>>blows nothing but hot air. It was cooler before I tried to recharge it.
>>It would only take half a can and it's the small can so decided to bleed
>>out what was left inthe line by pressing in the valve it still would
>>take half and it is the right connection it can only fit one way am I
>>only doing something wrong?
>
>
> Yes, you're doing something wrong: ****in' around with your girlfriend's
> vehicle without knowing what you're doing.
>
>
>>please help before my girlfriend kills me
>
>
> Count yourself fortunate you didn't kill yourself; A/C work is dangerous
> when you don't know what you're doing or how to do it.

I realize every group has a guy like you, but the question still begs to
be asked: why do you feel the need to be such a dickhead? The second
responder made the same point without the childishness, why do you need
to demonstrate you're a complete social buffoon with every response that
you happen to know something about? Grow the **** up.

pawn wrote:

> > Count yourself fortunate you didn't kill yourself; A/C work is dangerous
> > when you don't know what you're doing or how to do it.
>
> I realize every group has a guy like you, but the question still begs to
> be asked: why do you feel the need to be such a dickhead? The second
> responder made the same point without the childishness, why do you need
> to demonstrate you're a complete social buffoon with every response that
> you happen to know something about? Grow the **** up.


Hey now, don't be so hasty. Don't you know that there's an epidemic of
air conditioning related deaths sweeping the nation? Think of all of
the grief stricken mothers of those unfortunate tattooed, unshaven,
snaggle-toothed shade tree mechanics, and how your callous words stab
these poor ladies like flying pieces of R134A shrapnel. Have some
respect. At least Mr. Stern is doing his part to help the hopelessly
stupid portion of our society to avoid killing themselves at least for
one more day. You should just be glad that somebody is willing to do
all of that thinking that the rest of us are unwilling or unable to do
for ourselves.

Not only that, but you should observe some newsgroup etiquette
yourself. You asked an unrelated question in the thread. It should
have been put under its own subject line, such as "Why is Stern such a
dickhead?", or perhaps a teaser such as "The shocking truth about Daniel
J. Stern!"

I hope you won't be quite so quick to dive in next time without
carefully considering what you are saying.

"Robbie and Laura Reynolds" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> pawn wrote:
>
> > > Count yourself fortunate you didn't kill yourself; A/C work is
dangerous
> > > when you don't know what you're doing or how to do it.
> >
> > I realize every group has a guy like you, but the question still begs to
> > be asked: why do you feel the need to be such a dickhead? The second
> > responder made the same point without the childishness, why do you need
> > to demonstrate you're a complete social buffoon with every response that
> > you happen to know something about? Grow the **** up.
>
>
> Hey now, don't be so hasty. Don't you know that there's an epidemic of
> air conditioning related deaths sweeping the nation? Think of all of
> the grief stricken mothers of those unfortunate tattooed, unshaven,
> snaggle-toothed shade tree mechanics, and how your callous words stab
> these poor ladies like flying pieces of R134A shrapnel. Have some
> respect. At least Mr. Stern is doing his part to help the hopelessly
> stupid portion of our society to avoid killing themselves at least for
> one more day. You should just be glad that somebody is willing to do
> all of that thinking that the rest of us are unwilling or unable to do
> for ourselves.
>
> Not only that, but you should observe some newsgroup etiquette
> yourself. You asked an unrelated question in the thread. It should
> have been put under its own subject line, such as "Why is Stern such a
> dickhead?", or perhaps a teaser such as "The shocking truth about Daniel
> J. Stern!"
>
> I hope you won't be quite so quick to dive in next time without
> carefully considering what you are saying.

I needed a good laugh like that today. GOOD ONE!!

"pawn" > wrote in message
news
> Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Jul 2005, epeart wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I tried Recharging the A/C on my girlfriends 1999 Dodge Caravan Sport
> >>today I got the kit " charger hose and 3 cans of 134a. my end result It
> >>blows nothing but hot air. It was cooler before I tried to recharge it.
> >>It would only take half a can and it's the small can so decided to bleed
> >>out what was left inthe line by pressing in the valve it still would
> >>take half and it is the right connection it can only fit one way am I
> >>only doing something wrong?
> >
> >
> > Yes, you're doing something wrong: ****in' around with your girlfriend's
> > vehicle without knowing what you're doing.
> >
> >
> >>please help before my girlfriend kills me
> >
> >
> > Count yourself fortunate you didn't kill yourself; A/C work is dangerous
> > when you don't know what you're doing or how to do it.
>
> I realize every group has a guy like you, but the question still begs to
> be asked: why do you feel the need to be such a dickhead? The second
> responder made the same point without the childishness, why do you need
> to demonstrate you're a complete social buffoon with every response that
> you happen to know something about? Grow the **** up.
>
>
>
>
Hey , don't let him bother you, its the way he was raised, Its just a big
Ego trip for ole lite bulb Stern.
Just because your system is blowing warm air does not mean it is low on
freon, you could have fault codes, you could have blend air door problems or
anything. If you system is fully charged and you add more to it, that will
cause more problems.
I would have the system recovered and charged up with the proper amount,
check and recalibrate the system and see what the evap temp is after that.
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler tech

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 02:49:38 +0200, epeart
> wrote:

>
>I tried Recharging the A/C on my girlfriends 1999 Dodge Caravan Sport today I got the kit " charger hose and 3 cans of 134a.
> my end result It blows nothing but hot air. It was cooler before I tried to recharge it. It would only take half a can and it's the
>small can so decided to bleed out what was left inthe line by pressing in the valve it still would only take half and it is the right connection
> it can only fit one way am I doing something wrong? please help before my girlfriend kills me


#1 Venting the refrigerant from your system is a federal crime (a
violation of the clear air act) . Even if you don't care about the
environment it probably isn't the best idea to admit to a federal
crime on a world wide public newsgroup.


While you are trying to charge is the compressor turning? The
refrigerant carries the oil through the system. If the refrigerant
gets low the oil isn't distributed and the compressor dies. To
prevent this from happening the manufacturer puts a low pressure drop
out switch on the system that turns off the compressor under low
pressure situations.

Check to make sure the compressor is energized ( the front disk
spinning as well as the pulley). If it isn't energized locate the low
pressure switch and jump it out so the compressor will spin then
charge the system. If it still won't take more than half a can you
need to check the high and low side pressures and get back to us.

In all honesty you are probably in over your head on this one. After
venting the system the dryer really should be replaced and the system
vacuumed. Your also dealing with a $400 compressor that you can
easily ruin by adding an improper amount of refrigerant or oil.

Good luck. I hope that couch is comfortable ;-)
Steve B.

"Steve B." > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 02:49:38 +0200, epeart
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >I tried Recharging the A/C on my girlfriends 1999 Dodge Caravan Sport
today I got the kit " charger hose and 3 cans of 134a.
> > my end result It blows nothing but hot air. It was cooler before I
tried to recharge it. It would only take half a can and it's the
> >small can so decided to bleed out what was left inthe line by pressing in
the valve it still would only take half and it is the right connection
> > it can only fit one way am I doing something wrong? please help before
my girlfriend kills me
>
>
> #1 Venting the refrigerant from your system is a federal crime (a
> violation of the clear air act) . Even if you don't care about the
> environment it probably isn't the best idea to admit to a federal
> crime on a world wide public newsgroup.
>

Hey Steve, I just used part of a can of Dust Off Freeze Spray
this afternoon to find a thermal intermittent on a radio - the
stuff is 100% R134a - I guess I must not care about the
environment? The instructions
on the can say to apply directly to components to locate
thermal intermittents, they don't say anything about recovery.

I am confused about caring about the environment - the front
of the can says 100% Ozone Safe - and I just bought it brand
new about a week ago.

My wife also wants to know if she hates the environment
too - her hairspray can uses R134a as the propellant.

My kid also wants to know if he hates the environment too - he painted
his bike with spray paint last week - propellant is also r134a
in that can.

>
> In all honesty you are probably in over your head on this one. After
> venting the system the dryer really should be replaced and the system
> vacuumed.

What the hell? If you vent the system down to atmospheric then how
exactly does appreciable amount of outside air and moisture get in
and ruin the dryer? Unless you vent it then remove the schrader valve
perhaps and drive around for the next week with the system open.

> Your also dealing with a $400 compressor that you can
> easily ruin by adding an improper amount of refrigerant or oil.
>

That much is true - if he gets a new compressor - but you forgot
the money for all the extra parts and time he needs when he
fragments the compressor and it dumps metal filings into the refrigerant
lines.

Ted

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:53:06 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt"
> wrote:


>> #1 Venting the refrigerant from your system is a federal crime (a
>> violation of the clear air act) . Even if you don't care about the
>> environment it probably isn't the best idea to admit to a federal
>> crime on a world wide public newsgroup.
>>
>
>Hey Steve, I just used part of a can of Dust Off Freeze Spray
>this afternoon to find a thermal intermittent on a radio - the
>stuff is 100% R134a - I guess I must not care about the
>environment? The instructions
>on the can say to apply directly to components to locate
>thermal intermittents, they don't say anything about recovery.
>
>I am confused about caring about the environment - the front
>of the can says 100% Ozone Safe - and I just bought it brand
>new about a week ago.
>
>My wife also wants to know if she hates the environment
>too - her hairspray can uses R134a as the propellant.
>
>My kid also wants to know if he hates the environment too - he painted
>his bike with spray paint last week - propellant is also r134a
>in that can.

You made up the "hate" part yourself. No where in my post did I say
that. My exact quote from above is "Even if you don't care about the
environment". 134a is ozone safe BUT it is also a green-house gas. I
don't write the laws nor do I lobby for the exceptions. I''m just
pointiing out to the OP that it isn't legal and shouldn't be admitted
to in a public forum. There is a several thousand dollar "nark
reward" if you turn someone in and they get prosecuted. Would it ever
happen to him? Doubtful but seems kind of silly to risk it to me.

"Steve B." > wrote in message
...

> You made up the "hate" part yourself. No where in my post did I say
> that. My exact quote from above is "Even if you don't care about the
> environment". 134a is ozone safe BUT it is also a green-house gas. I
> don't write the laws nor do I lobby for the exceptions. I''m just
> pointiing out to the OP that it isn't legal and shouldn't be admitted
> to in a public forum. There is a several thousand dollar "nark
> reward" if you turn someone in and they get prosecuted. Would it ever
> happen to him? Doubtful but seems kind of silly to risk it to me.
>

Except that on Usenet, since it's so rediculous to forge names, there's
no proof that it is who it says it is. (you don't even have any proof that
this post is from the same person that replied to you yesterday, nor that
both posts actually go to the "real" Ted Mittelstedt (whichever one that
is, there's probably dozens of people worldwide with the same name as
me) So I don't think there is any risk there.

And my point also is that when the government makes stupid laws they
should be flouted and ignored. That is what the Declaration of
Independence is all about. With this refrigerant venting issue,
the real truth of it is that the majority use of R134a is rapidly
becoming all those OTHER uses, that are NON refrigerant uses,
where it's just vented to atmosphere.

The EPA mandated automotive refrigerant recovery when R12 was still
very prevalent, and the typical A/C service shop really wouldn't know
what the **** was in the system when it came in for service. So the
safest thing was to assume it was R12.

But that was a long time ago and this assumption is rapidly becoming
invalid with automotive A/C systems. It is unfair to place this burden
of recovery on A/C shops then turn around and say nothing to the
manufacturers of boat horns, insulation, dog barking collars,
and every damn thing else who sell tons of products who's entire
point is to dump R134a into atmosphere.

I'm sure you regularly flout and ignore the 55Mph speed limit on
your highways, why is this any different?

The other thing I find absolutely a laugh on this issue is using it as a
propellant in asthma inhalers. Here we have this - according
to the EPA - -d--n-g-e-r-o-u-s- whoooooooo!!!! environmentally
hazardous refrigerant - and sick people with asthma are squirting it
into their lungs!!!


Ted