New Vette C6; 500hp 427cu in?

BTW, I am amazed at the offense taken because I dont LIKE Corvettes. There
are some megabuck exotics I dont like either (and some Mustangs too). Is
that some kind of an affront to the automotive gods? I have examined the
new Corvette in person and close up. IMO it has some some weird lines from
some angles and the interior is way too conservative. It is also a car that
mostly older people can afford to buy and insure.. IMO it is not a youthfull
car. This is my OPINION and I am entitled to it. Not everyone likes the
same things and thats why we have different choices. If you dont like that
I dont like a Corvette, thats fine. That wont make me like it.

LJH
95GT


"Joe" > wrote in message
...
> Sorry, Larry. Allow me to clarify. You said it had "weird lines" and
> an "old man's interior" or something to that effect. You then
> followed it up with a comment about Corvette owners and the AARP.
>
> Maybe you didn't literally call it a piece of crap, but you certainly
> categorized it as something it's not.
>
> Joe
> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
>
>
> "Larry Hepinstall" > wrote in
> :
>
> > I NEVER said the Corvette was a piece of crap.
> > I personally don't like it and never have. I would not want to be
> seen
> > owning one.
> > That does not mean I think its a piece of crap.
> >
> > LJH
> > 95GT (Corvette disliker, not hater)
> >
> >
> > "Joe" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> > wrote in
> >> om:
> >>
> >> > While I absolutely love the Corvette... I'd take a Mustang over
> it.
> >> > I like the Mustang looks, price, and name better. Sure I'll get
> my
> >> > ass handed to him (again) by dang near every Corvette... but that
> >> > isn't gonna make me like my car any less =).
> >>
> >> And there's the criteria that everyone should use. I'm simply
> saying
> >> that because you like one car over another, it doesn't mean the
> other
> >> car is a piece of crap.
> >>
> >> > But yes.. Corvettes are
> >> > VERY fine cars.. and *I* think they are in a league above
> >> > Mustangs... in price too!
> >>
> >> Exactly. The cars are targeted to different audiences in both
> price
> >> and performance.
> >>
> >> > But again, that's a benefit for Mustangs.
> >>
> >> I don't know that it's a benefit, as I don't think Mustangs compete
> >> with Corvettes for sales off the showroom floor.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
> >> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
> >>
> >>
> >> > -Mike
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
> >> > Cold air intake
> >> > FRPP 3.73 gears
> >> > Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
> >> > Flowmaster 40 Series mufflers (self-installed woohoo)
> >> > Hi-speed fan switch
> >> > 255/60R-15 rear tires
> >> > Subframe connectors
> >> > Aluminum adjustable clutch quadrant
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Joe" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >> "Larry Hepinstall" > wrote in
> >> >> :
> >> >>
> >> >> > LOL, Corvettes are not the end all in performance either.
> >> >>
> >> >> Of course. But you were comparing a Corvette and a Mustang.
> Given
> >> >> the criteria, there's no contest.
> >> >>
> >> >> > For the
> >> >> > same money you could EASILLY smoke the sacred Corvette.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sure. But that's a completely different topic.
> >> >>
> >> >> > But thats
> >> >> > not my thing.. to be the fastest on the street. Its
> impossible
> >> >> > to do anyway.. theres always someone faster. As long as its
> >> >> > fast, handles, is FUN, and pleases me, I'm happy. I would
> never
> >> >> > be happy in a Corvette.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's ok - everyone's got their preferences. But there's no
> >> >> denying that a Corvette is simply in a league above the Mustang.
> >> >> And that's not to slight the Mustang in any way.
> >> >>
> >> >> > If you are, that's great.. it sure will be a hit at the AARP
> >> >> > meetings.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > LJH
> >> >> > 95GT
> >> >>
> >> >> Aw, c'mon Larry, that's troll stuff. All you're doing is
> showing
> >> >> your closed-mindedness.
> >> >>
> >> >> Joe
> >> >> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
> >> >> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

You're amazed that 1 or 2 ppl find it odd that you don't like the Corvette?
Wow...

-Mike

--
A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
Cold air intake
FRPP 3.73 gears
Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
Flowmaster 40 Series mufflers (self-installed woohoo)
Hi-speed fan switch
255/60R-15 rear tires
Subframe connectors
Aluminum adjustable clutch quadrant


"Larry Hepinstall" > wrote in message
...
> BTW, I am amazed at the offense taken because I dont LIKE Corvettes.
There
> are some megabuck exotics I dont like either (and some Mustangs too). Is
> that some kind of an affront to the automotive gods? I have examined the
> new Corvette in person and close up. IMO it has some some weird lines
from
> some angles and the interior is way too conservative. It is also a car
that
> mostly older people can afford to buy and insure.. IMO it is not a
youthfull
> car. This is my OPINION and I am entitled to it. Not everyone likes the
> same things and thats why we have different choices. If you dont like
that
> I dont like a Corvette, thats fine. That wont make me like it.
>
> LJH
> 95GT
>
>
> "Joe" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Sorry, Larry. Allow me to clarify. You said it had "weird lines" and
> > an "old man's interior" or something to that effect. You then
> > followed it up with a comment about Corvette owners and the AARP.
> >
> > Maybe you didn't literally call it a piece of crap, but you certainly
> > categorized it as something it's not.
> >
> > Joe
> > Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
> > Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
> >
> >
> > "Larry Hepinstall" > wrote in
> > :
> >
> > > I NEVER said the Corvette was a piece of crap.
> > > I personally don't like it and never have. I would not want to be
> > seen
> > > owning one.
> > > That does not mean I think its a piece of crap.
> > >
> > > LJH
> > > 95GT (Corvette disliker, not hater)
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joe" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >> > wrote in
> > >> om:
> > >>
> > >> > While I absolutely love the Corvette... I'd take a Mustang over
> > it.
> > >> > I like the Mustang looks, price, and name better. Sure I'll get
> > my
> > >> > ass handed to him (again) by dang near every Corvette... but that
> > >> > isn't gonna make me like my car any less =).
> > >>
> > >> And there's the criteria that everyone should use. I'm simply
> > saying
> > >> that because you like one car over another, it doesn't mean the
> > other
> > >> car is a piece of crap.
> > >>
> > >> > But yes.. Corvettes are
> > >> > VERY fine cars.. and *I* think they are in a league above
> > >> > Mustangs... in price too!
> > >>
> > >> Exactly. The cars are targeted to different audiences in both
> > price
> > >> and performance.
> > >>
> > >> > But again, that's a benefit for Mustangs.
> > >>
> > >> I don't know that it's a benefit, as I don't think Mustangs compete
> > >> with Corvettes for sales off the showroom floor.
> > >>
> > >> Joe
> > >> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
> > >> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > -Mike
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
> > >> > Cold air intake
> > >> > FRPP 3.73 gears
> > >> > Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
> > >> > Flowmaster 40 Series mufflers (self-installed woohoo)
> > >> > Hi-speed fan switch
> > >> > 255/60R-15 rear tires
> > >> > Subframe connectors
> > >> > Aluminum adjustable clutch quadrant
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > "Joe" > wrote in message
> > >> > ...
> > >> >> "Larry Hepinstall" > wrote in
> > >> >> :
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > LOL, Corvettes are not the end all in performance either.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Of course. But you were comparing a Corvette and a Mustang.
> > Given
> > >> >> the criteria, there's no contest.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > For the
> > >> >> > same money you could EASILLY smoke the sacred Corvette.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sure. But that's a completely different topic.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > But thats
> > >> >> > not my thing.. to be the fastest on the street. Its
> > impossible
> > >> >> > to do anyway.. theres always someone faster. As long as its
> > >> >> > fast, handles, is FUN, and pleases me, I'm happy. I would
> > never
> > >> >> > be happy in a Corvette.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That's ok - everyone's got their preferences. But there's no
> > >> >> denying that a Corvette is simply in a league above the Mustang.
> > >> >> And that's not to slight the Mustang in any way.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > If you are, that's great.. it sure will be a hit at the AARP
> > >> >> > meetings.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > LJH
> > >> >> > 95GT
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Aw, c'mon Larry, that's troll stuff. All you're doing is
> > showing
> > >> >> your closed-mindedness.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Joe
> > >> >> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
> > >> >> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

There's no comparison with a base Corvette & a base Mustang lol if price
isn't factored in.

-Mike

--
A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
Cold air intake
FRPP 3.73 gears
Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
Flowmaster 40 Series mufflers (self-installed woohoo)
Hi-speed fan switch
255/60R-15 rear tires
Subframe connectors
Aluminum adjustable clutch quadrant


"ZombyWoof" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:11:15 GMT, > wrote
> something wonderfully witty:
>
> >You're amazed that 1 or 2 ppl find it odd that you don't like the
Corvette?
> >Wow...
> >
> >-Mike
> >
> Given a base Corvette, and a base Mustang sitting side by side, which
> do you think most would be interested in if they could have one or the
> other for free? Hell which do you think would just attract more
> gawkers.
> --
> "Either kill me or take me as I am,
> because I'll be damned if I ever change..."
>
> The Marquis de Sade

Um... The '03 & '04 Terminator Cobra's are already faster and have near
Corvette handling when compared with the same year. The Terminator Cobras
are putting more power to the ground than the same year Z06's and the new
C6. The next Cobra, which will be produced, will have more power than the
new C6 (the Terminator already does) and will handle just as well on the new
platform for less. I'm not comparing the next Cobra to the C6 Z06, they are
in a different price range. And I do agree that they are two different cars
for two different purposes. Heck, the Vette guys think the new Z06 will
compare to the GT. Don't think so...
---
Mike
Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
---

ZombyWoof wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:55:42 -0500, "WraithCobra" >
> wrote something wonderfully witty:
>
>>>>> No, that's the specs for the new Z06. The regular C6 is a 6.0L
>>>>> w/400 bhp.
>>>> wow!!
>>>> I really gotta look at the new vettes!
>>>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> And the best thing is that it'll actually be a real car that you can
>>> buy at a dealership. Not like the pipe dream stuff we've been
>>> hearing about from Ford.
>>
>> I wouldn't own a Vette if it was free, can't stand the looks. If you
>> want one, get one.
>> And don't worry, the Cobra will be made and it will cost less than
>> the base C6 with more performance and near equal handling.
>>
> Rather bold statement, even if it was free? No way Chevy is ever
> going to let a Cobra come even close to a Vette in any performance
> measure. It is their flagship car and has been for quite a while now.
>
> I like my Mustang and enjoy it thoroughly, but I love my Vette. Two
> completely different cars with different purposes.

I didn't say I would turn one down if I won one, I said I wouldn't own one.
I'm not crazy, I'd accept it and sell it.
---
Mike
Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
---

Larry Hepinstall wrote:
> I'm with you, Corvettes have never appealed to me. The new one is
> better but still has weird lines and an old man's interior. Of
> course its designed for old men.. as thats pretty much all that can
> afford them (you rarely see a young man driving a new Corvette). I
> have always liked Mustangs better and the new one is fantastic.. WAY
> better than a Corvette IMO.
>
> If I was given a Corvette, I'd sell it to some old codger and buy a
> Mustang.
>
> LJH
> 95GT (331 stroker)
>
>
> "WraithCobra" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>>> No, that's the specs for the new Z06. The regular C6 is a 6.0L
>>>>> w/400 bhp.
>>>> wow!!
>>>> I really gotta look at the new vettes!
>>>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> And the best thing is that it'll actually be a real car that you can
>>> buy at a dealership. Not like the pipe dream stuff we've been
>>> hearing about from Ford.
>>
>> I wouldn't own a Vette if it was free, can't stand the looks. If you
>> want one, get one.
>> And don't worry, the Cobra will be made and it will cost less than
>> the base C6 with more performance and near equal handling.
>> --
>> Mike
>> Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
>> ---

I'll second that. I'll take delivery and sell it before I even title it. I'd
never own one. I personally do not like Corvette's, They're shaped like a
door stop and do not visually apeal to me. I didn't say it was a bad
automobile. I'd also never own a Porshe, Ugly (notice the capital "U") but
that's also a personal preference.
---
Mike
Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
---

wrote:
> "If I was given a Corvette, I'd sell it to some old codger and buy a
> Mustang.
>
> LJH
> 95GT (331 stroker)
>
> I NEVER said the Corvette was a piece of crap.
> I personally don't like it and never have. I would not want to be
> seen owning one.
> That does not mean I think its a piece of crap.
>
> LJH
> 95GT (Corvette disliker, not hater) "
>
> I guess you confused me & Larry.. I never said I wouldn't own one if
> I won one =)
>
> -Mike
>
>
> "ZombyWoof" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:56:51 GMT, > wrote
>> something wonderfully witty:
>>
>>> Oh hell yes I would. I never said I wouldn't OWN one... one of the
>>> main reasons I would pick a Mustang over a Corvette is the price.
>>> Sure, less power.. less handling... but the fun factor is still way
>>> up there. Less on insurance too. But if I was given one or won
>>> one... of course I'd keep it. Let me state again.. I *love*
>>> Corvettes. I love the way they look, handle, and perform overall.
>>> They are a fantastic bang for buck in my eyes.. but I love my
>>> Mustang more.
>>>
>>> -Mike
>>>
>> Sorry I thought you had said that you would never own one. Perhaps
>> you only meant that you would never be in the position to won one. I
>> once thought that myself, but managed to get a really good deal on a
>> used Competition Yellow `95 C-4, which of course isn't half the car
>> the new C-6 is, but the yee-haa factor is still very high.
>>
>> However, the same thing can be said about my premium packaged V-6
>> drop-top Mustang (now driven by my youngest daughter). The yee-haa
>> factor of even that car is very high.
>>
>> My Corvette was my daily driver for a number of years until I noticed
>> the wear & tear that she was going through. I bought the Mustang to
>> be my commuter. When my daughter got her license she called dibs on
>> it and I got a sweet little S-10 so I could tot my Harley to events
>> that I could no longer handle riding to (age catches up with some of
>> us). Then my oldest daughter steals it when she went back to college
>> earlier this month (needed it to move) then calls her Mother and says
>> she is keeping it so I get "permission" to again buy whatever I want.
>> What I want is a new GT, what the dealers want is to rape me. What
>> to do, what to do. Right now I am driving the oldest one's beater
>> of a `98 Olds Achevia.
>> --
>> "Either kill me or take me as I am,
>> because I'll be damned if I ever change..."
>>
>> The Marquis de Sade

Joe wrote:
> "WraithCobra" > wrote in
> :
>
>> Um... The '03 & '04 Terminator Cobra's are already faster and have
>> near Corvette handling when compared with the same year. The
>> Terminator Cobras are putting more power to the ground than the same
>> year Z06's and the new C6.
>
> Mike, you're dreaming. The Corvette does 0-60 in under 4 seconds off
> the showroom floor. What stock Cobra does that?

Time slips have already proven that the Terminator is faster than the same
year Vette (not Z06) in the 1/4.
The Terminators put down an average of 365 horses to the ground show room
stock, closer to 385 with only a CAI and cat-back. The C5 has a RWHP around
300, and the Z06 about 350.

>> The next Cobra, which will be produced,
>> will have more power than the new C6 (the Terminator already does)
>
> Flat out nonsense. The next Cobra is nothing but a rumor. And the
> Terminator has 390/390 vs. the C6's 400/400. Those are facts.

The Terminator is under rated, that's a fact! The factory numbers are closer
to 425/425, thats without a CAI and cat-back. The only thing holding the
Cobra back is weight, 3650 lbs. The Terminator puts down over 15 more RWHP
stock than the C5 Z06 (dyno proven) and is only a few 10ths behind in the
1/4.
Here's some facts for you......
http://dynoperformance.com/article_details.php?ID=28

>> and will handle just as well on the new platform for less. I'm not
>> comparing the next Cobra to the C6 Z06, they are in a different
>> price range. And I do agree that they are two different cars for two
>> different purposes. Heck, the Vette guys think the new Z06 will
>> compare to the GT. Don't think so... ---
>> Mike
>> Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
>> ---
>
> Mike, you need to wake up.

You need to stop Magazing racing becuse in the real world the '03 & '04
Cobras are faster than a C5 Vette and handle almost as well for thousands
less.
--
Mike
Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
---

PS- Here's a few Real world links...
http://67.15.62.79/forums/showthread...light=z06+rwhp
http://67.15.62.79/forums/showthread...light=z06+rwhp
http://67.15.62.79/forums/showthread...light=z06+rwhp
http://67.15.62.79/forums/showthread...light=z06+rwhp

WraithCobra wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
>>"WraithCobra" > wrote in
:
>>
>>
>>>Um... The '03 & '04 Terminator Cobra's are already faster and have
>>>near Corvette handling when compared with the same year. The
>>>Terminator Cobras are putting more power to the ground than the same
>>>year Z06's and the new C6.
>>
>>Mike, you're dreaming. The Corvette does 0-60 in under 4 seconds off
>>the showroom floor. What stock Cobra does that?
>
>
> Time slips have already proven that the Terminator is faster than the same
> year Vette (not Z06) in the 1/4.
> The Terminators put down an average of 365 horses to the ground show room
> stock, closer to 385 with only a CAI and cat-back. The C5 has a RWHP around
> 300, and the Z06 about 350.
>
>
>>>The next Cobra, which will be produced,
>>>will have more power than the new C6 (the Terminator already does)
>>
>>Flat out nonsense. The next Cobra is nothing but a rumor. And the
>>Terminator has 390/390 vs. the C6's 400/400. Those are facts.
>
>
> The Terminator is under rated, that's a fact! The factory numbers are closer
> to 425/425, thats without a CAI and cat-back. The only thing holding the
> Cobra back is weight, 3650 lbs. The Terminator puts down over 15 more RWHP
> stock than the C5 Z06 (dyno proven) and is only a few 10ths behind in the
> 1/4.
> Here's some facts for you......
> http://dynoperformance.com/article_details.php?ID=28
>
>
>>>and will handle just as well on the new platform for less. I'm not
>>>comparing the next Cobra to the C6 Z06, they are in a different
>>>price range. And I do agree that they are two different cars for two
>>>different purposes. Heck, the Vette guys think the new Z06 will
>>>compare to the GT. Don't think so... ---
>>>Mike
>>>Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
>>>---
>>
>>Mike, you need to wake up.
>
>
> You need to stop Magazing racing becuse in the real world the '03 & '04
> Cobras are faster than a C5 Vette and handle almost as well for thousands
> less.

I agree that the '03-'04 Cobras can match, and in some instances beat,
the C5 Vettes at the drag strip but that is where it ends. A C5 will
tromp a Mustang Cobra on a road course. The new C6 Vette is even better
and stock for stock will likely match the Cobra at the strip and would
destroy it otherwise. I like Mustangs but putting one up against a C5,
and especially a C6, will lead to a big disappointment.

BTW, the upcoming Z06 is going to be one nasty sports car. My guess is
it will handily trounce about every sports car selling for under $100k
and give the Ford GT a good scare stock for stock.

Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
> WraithCobra wrote:
>> Joe wrote:
>>
>>> "WraithCobra" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>
>>>> Um... The '03 & '04 Terminator Cobra's are already faster and have
>>>> near Corvette handling when compared with the same year. The
>>>> Terminator Cobras are putting more power to the ground than the
>>>> same year Z06's and the new C6.
>>>
>>> Mike, you're dreaming. The Corvette does 0-60 in under 4 seconds
>>> off the showroom floor. What stock Cobra does that?
>>
>>
>> Time slips have already proven that the Terminator is faster than
>> the same year Vette (not Z06) in the 1/4.
>> The Terminators put down an average of 365 horses to the ground show
>> room stock, closer to 385 with only a CAI and cat-back. The C5 has a
>> RWHP around 300, and the Z06 about 350.
>>
>>
>>>> The next Cobra, which will be produced,
>>>> will have more power than the new C6 (the Terminator already does)
>>>
>>> Flat out nonsense. The next Cobra is nothing but a rumor. And the
>>> Terminator has 390/390 vs. the C6's 400/400. Those are facts.
>>
>>
>> The Terminator is under rated, that's a fact! The factory numbers
>> are closer to 425/425, thats without a CAI and cat-back. The only
>> thing holding the Cobra back is weight, 3650 lbs. The Terminator
>> puts down over 15 more RWHP stock than the C5 Z06 (dyno proven) and
>> is only a few 10ths behind in the 1/4.
>> Here's some facts for you......
>> http://dynoperformance.com/article_details.php?ID=28
>>
>>
>>>> and will handle just as well on the new platform for less. I'm not
>>>> comparing the next Cobra to the C6 Z06, they are in a different
>>>> price range. And I do agree that they are two different cars for
>>>> two different purposes. Heck, the Vette guys think the new Z06 will
>>>> compare to the GT. Don't think so... ---
>>>> Mike
>>>> Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
>>>> ---
>>>
>>> Mike, you need to wake up.
>>
>>
>> You need to stop Magazing racing becuse in the real world the '03 &
>> '04 Cobras are faster than a C5 Vette and handle almost as well for
>> thousands less.
>
> I agree that the '03-'04 Cobras can match, and in some instances beat,
> the C5 Vettes at the drag strip but that is where it ends. A C5 will
> tromp a Mustang Cobra on a road course.

A stock Cobra will easily out run a stock C5 Corvette in the 1/4, the Z06 is
only a half second faster. The Cobra also handles better than most people
think. On a loose road course the Cobra would have no problem keeping up
with a C5, a tighter course with more transitions will slow the Cobra down
due to its weight distribution.

>The new C6 Vette is even
> better and stock for stock will likely match the Cobra at the strip
> and would destroy it otherwise. I like Mustangs but putting one up
> against a C5, and especially a C6, will lead to a big disappointment.

I'm not really comparing the Current Cobra with the C6, I just stated that
the Cobra puts more power to the ground to make my point about the base C5.

> BTW, the upcoming Z06 is going to be one nasty sports car. My guess
> is it will handily trounce about every sports car selling for under
> $100k and give the Ford GT a good scare stock for stock.

Why is it that the C6 Z06 rumors are so believable (have it running with the
GT, which I don't believe) and the Cobra rumors are way off base (that it
will out run and handle as well as a base C6)?
The current Cobra already out run's the current C5, there is no question
about that. The current Cobra is the fastest Mustang ever sold to the public
and the second best handling Mustang ever sold to the public, with the '00
Cobra R being the first. So why is it so hard to believe that the new Cobra
built on the new platform will not again be faster than the current C6
Corvette and handle close to if not as well as it does? I know the new
platform will still have some weight problems, but that's not as detrimental
to handling as other factors that have been corrected from the old chassis.
I can't believe that so many people on a Mustang news group put the Corvette
on such a high pedestal while they kick the Mustang to the curb. Makes no
sense...
--
Mike
Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
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WraithCobra wrote:
> Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
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>>WraithCobra wrote:
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>>>Joe wrote:
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>>>>"WraithCobra" > wrote in
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>>>>>Um... The '03 & '04 Terminator Cobra's are already faster and have
>>>>>near Corvette handling when compared with the same year. The
>>>>>Terminator Cobras are putting more power to the ground than the
>>>>>same year Z06's and the new C6.
>>>>
>>>>Mike, you're dreaming. The Corvette does 0-60 in under 4 seconds
>>>>off the showroom floor. What stock Cobra does that?
>>>
>>>
>>>Time slips have already proven that the Terminator is faster than
>>>the same year Vette (not Z06) in the 1/4.
>>>The Terminators put down an average of 365 horses to the ground show
>>>room stock, closer to 385 with only a CAI and cat-back. The C5 has a
>>>RWHP around 300, and the Z06 about 350.
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>>>>>The next Cobra, which will be produced,
>>>>>will have more power than the new C6 (the Terminator already does)
>>>>
>>>>Flat out nonsense. The next Cobra is nothing but a rumor. And the
>>>>Terminator has 390/390 vs. the C6's 400/400. Those are facts.
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>>>The Terminator is under rated, that's a fact! The factory numbers
>>>are closer to 425/425, thats without a CAI and cat-back. The only
>>>thing holding the Cobra back is weight, 3650 lbs. The Terminator
>>>puts down over 15 more RWHP stock than the C5 Z06 (dyno proven) and
>>>is only a few 10ths behind in the 1/4.
>>>Here's some facts for you......
>>>http://dynoperformance.com/article_details.php?ID=28
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>>>>>and will handle just as well on the new platform for less. I'm not
>>>>>comparing the next Cobra to the C6 Z06, they are in a different
>>>>>price range. And I do agree that they are two different cars for
>>>>>two different purposes. Heck, the Vette guys think the new Z06 will
>>>>>compare to the GT. Don't think so... ---
>>>>>Mike
>>>>>Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe
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>>>>Mike, you need to wake up.
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>>>
>>>You need to stop Magazing racing becuse in the real world the '03 &
>>>'04 Cobras are faster than a C5 Vette and handle almost as well for
>>>thousands less.
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>>I agree that the '03-'04 Cobras can match, and in some instances beat,
>>the C5 Vettes at the drag strip but that is where it ends. A C5 will
>>tromp a Mustang Cobra on a road course.
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> A stock Cobra will easily out run a stock C5 Corvette in the 1/4, the Z06 is
> only a half second faster. The Cobra also handles better than most people
> think. On a loose road course the Cobra would have no problem keeping up
> with a C5, a tighter course with more transitions will slow the Cobra down
> due to its weight distribution.

I wouldn't say the Cobra, stock vs. stock, would easily outrun a C5 in
the 1/4 mile. The Vette has better traction and a weight advantage
thats good for the equivalent of 40-50 hp. Where the Cobra shines is
when the engine are done but this is the case with most forced induction
engines.

>>The new C6 Vette is even
>>better and stock for stock will likely match the Cobra at the strip
>>and would destroy it otherwise. I like Mustangs but putting one up
>>against a C5, and especially a C6, will lead to a big disappointment.
>
>
> I'm not really comparing the Current Cobra with the C6, I just stated that
> the Cobra puts more power to the ground to make my point about the base C5.

Aside from the engine changes the C6 isn't that far off from a C5 in
handling. In fact, the C6 isn't a new chassis but a tweaked version of
the C5. While power to the ground is important that is just one
component that makes for a good all around performance car.

>>BTW, the upcoming Z06 is going to be one nasty sports car. My guess
>>is it will handily trounce about every sports car selling for under
>>$100k and give the Ford GT a good scare stock for stock.
>
>
> Why is it that the C6 Z06 rumors are so believable (have it running with the
> GT, which I don't believe) and the Cobra rumors are way off base (that it
> will out run and handle as well as a base C6)?

I don't know what the new Cobra will be but I suspect it will have the
same drive train as the '03-'04 cars. IMO, that is one of the best, if
not the best, engine ever put in a mass produced automobile. Why mess
with success? I think Ford will probably tweak it to make a little more
than 400 hp.

> The current Cobra already out run's the current C5, there is no question
> about that. The current Cobra is the fastest Mustang ever sold to the public
> and the second best handling Mustang ever sold to the public, with the '00
> Cobra R being the first. So why is it so hard to believe that the new Cobra
> built on the new platform will not again be faster than the current C6
> Corvette and handle close to if not as well as it does? I know the new
> platform will still have some weight problems, but that's not as detrimental
> to handling as other factors that have been corrected from the old chassis.

The problem the Mustang has when put up against the Vette is a result of
the intended use of each car. The Mustang is meant to be a daily driver
that is affordable. This results in driving positions, car's center of
gravity location etc. that is not optimized for all out performance.
The chassis is a derivative of a four door sedan which has compromises
from the standpoint of performance. This isn't a bad thing. It's just
what Ford had to do to keep it affordable and functional for its
intended buyers. While the chassis is light years ahead of the old Fox
platform it still has compromises that affect the car's performance. I
think Ford has hit a home run with the new Stang but this doesn't mean
it is a competitor for the Vette.

Now the Vette is a completely different story. It was designed from the
ground up to be a two seater sports car. No major compromises were
necessary during its design. This means independent rear suspensions
that aren't an after thought retrofit, lower center of mass, trannies
located behind the driver to optimize weight distribution, front
suspension that doesn't compromise for engine size (like in the new
Mustang) and many, many other items that enhance performance. All these
things add up to a car that is quite a capable performer even for the
price of $50k. Hell, you can't buy a loaded pickup truck for much less
than that and many SUV's cost more!

> I can't believe that so many people on a Mustang news group put the Corvette
> on such a high pedestal while they kick the Mustang to the curb. Makes no
> sense...

I'm not kicking the Mustang to the curb. I have one sitting in my
garage that I'll keep until I'm taking a dirt nap. That being said, I
also won't take a position of making the Mustang out to be more than
what it is - a very good pony car at a very good price that can be a
daily driver, if necessary. IMO, the new Mustang fills this role almost
to perfection but that's about as far as I will go until I see what Ford
does with the Cobra version. I do know that they can only do so much
with the car (i.e chassis) because of it's basic design function.