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In article >, Jim Yanik wrote:
> But the license "renewal fee" IS a user fee,it gives you license to USE the > roads;no pay,no use. Just produce the IL law that says so. > So what? why does it HAVE to "cover" unlimited usage? If it's a user fee, then it should. Otherwise taxes are coming from somewhere else to pay for the roads too. >> And cig taxes aren't user taxes for anything. > But I have not claimed that cig taxes are user fees. > I merely said that the sticker on the packs is a tax stamp. Then it's an irrelevant example. >> The obvious is your being picky with tax labels for bicycling and not >> being so with autos. > You appear to tbe the "picky" one about labels. > I'm flexible enough to understand what is actually a user fee and what's > not.And honest enough about it. This all started because you don't like bicycling being more than covered by various non-automotive sources of tax revenue that go to roads. You bitched there wasn't a specific 'bicycle user fee'. Yet there is no specific 'automotive user fee' either. >>> License plate fees ARE a "user fee";for the *license to USE* the >>> vehicle on public roads.(state permission) >> >> Not that I have seen in the law. > > You just refuse to see.(actually refuse to admit,I know you understand) Show me the relevant law. >>> I suspect that if this were not part of the argument about licensing >>> bicycles for road use,you'd have admitted it to be a user fee long >>> ago. >> It's not a user fee in IL. I've had a car ticketed that was parked on >> private property for expired registration. It never left the property. > Due to LOCAL laws about junk or abandoned cars that are not garaged,but > left outside. Not what it was ticketed for. Car appeared perfectly functional and was. >> Bogus ticket, because the law doesn't require it, but the cops >> certainly don't share your interpetation of it as just a 'user fee'. |
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In article >, Jim Yanik wrote:
>>> But the license "renewal fee" IS a user fee,it gives you license to >>> USE the roads;no pay,no use. >> >> Just produce the IL law that says so. > > More dishonesty;you KNOW that even in IL,if your plates are expired,you can > be ticketed and that's it's illegal to drive that vehicle,and that > unregistered autos cannot legally be driven on public rodas. It's illegal to drive with a burned out headlamp and I can be ticketed for it too. Being illegal and subject to tickets doesn't make a usage tax. Just produce the law that makes it a usage tax. If you want to keep whining about bicyclists not paying a specific 'bicycle road usage tax', you're going to have to produce that specific 'auto road usage tax'. Oh, btw, there is bicycle registration in many towns, just no tax associated it with it. It's not bicyclists' fault that autos are so taxed. Autos are likely so taxed because of their popularity. Many things go on and on and on and don't get taxed until they become popular enough. I suspect bicycling has never reached that threshold. Afterall, there are taxes on all sorts of things that are popular and entirely provided by private companies. |
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