Stock Car Evolution is fantastic

I just did a 30 lap online race last night at Jacksonville (Daytona
clone). Except for the really long yellow flags, the racing was
brilliant. It was just as good as NR2003.

I just did a 30 lap online race last night at Jacksonville (Daytona
clone). Except for the really long yellow flags, the racing was
brilliant. It was just as good as NR2003.

I completely disagree with you
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...I
think it's better than N2003 . Physics are much more real , the latest
version SCE.97 is really great. Check it out here.
http://www.rfstockcars.com/ Steve P

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> I just did a 30 lap online race last night at Jacksonville (Daytona
> clone). Except for the really long yellow flags, the racing was
> brilliant. It was just as good as NR2003.
>
> I completely disagree with you
> .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..I
> think it's better than N2003 . Physics are much more real , the latest
> version SCE.97 is really great. Check it out here.
> http://www.rfstockcars.com/ Steve P
>

Once again, the tendency of SCE to commercialism and hence, in the future,
to become retail, somewhat throws me off. Going commercial is fine; but
pretending not to have any such notions and then actually doing it, is
another story.

Every time something new happens with SCE, there's always someone
(oftentimes more than one person) who drops in and plugs the game-- someone
who might be intimately involved. This always leads me to believe that
there's this commercial push going on, of which the public will learn about
soon enough.

Alanb

Alan Bernardo wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> I just did a 30 lap online race last night at Jacksonville (Daytona
>> clone). Except for the really long yellow flags, the racing was
>> brilliant. It was just as good as NR2003.
>>
>> I completely disagree with you
>> .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..I
>> think it's better than N2003 . Physics are much more real , the latest
>> version SCE.97 is really great. Check it out here.
>> http://www.rfstockcars.com/ Steve P
>>
>
> Once again, the tendency of SCE to commercialism and hence, in the future,
> to become retail, somewhat throws me off. Going commercial is fine; but
> pretending not to have any such notions and then actually doing it, is
> another story.
>
> Every time something new happens with SCE, there's always someone
> (oftentimes more than one person) who drops in and plugs the game-- someone
> who might be intimately involved. This always leads me to believe that
> there's this commercial push going on, of which the public will learn about
> soon enough.
>
> Alanb
>
>
You need help. I just want more opponents.

I thought you left for good Larry/Fredrickson? It sooo eeeeasy to spot your
one sentence first grade bull****..

Yet another alias eh? What a sad fn loser you are, just kill yourself
already Larry Bakesmith you little ****ing piece of **** troll!

Mitch

"samson/Fredrickson/ReggieWhite/etc/etc/etc spwewed in msg"

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Alan Bernardo wrote:

> Once again, the tendency of SCE to commercialism and hence, in the future,
> to become retail, somewhat throws me off.

I couldn't care less about whether it goes commercial or not or any of
that pretentious bull**** that people seem to enjoy arguing about
nowadays. What I care about is that it's complete garbage, and pretty
much represents everything I hate about simulation mods. I guess it
looks pretty.

"jason moyer" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> Alan Bernardo wrote:
>
>> Once again, the tendency of SCE to commercialism and hence, in the
>> future,
>> to become retail, somewhat throws me off.
>
> I couldn't care less about whether it goes commercial or not or any of
> that pretentious bull**** that people seem to enjoy arguing about
> nowadays. What I care about is that it's complete garbage, and pretty
> much represents everything I hate about simulation mods. I guess it
> looks pretty.
>

Well, this is part of the problem, I think. Commercialism adds to the hype,
which is never what a thing really is when looked at more closely. There's
money being pumped into the mod from different sources, which allows some at
SCE to advertise the game to be what it isn't. Others follow suit, not
because there's anything spectacularly realistic about SCE but because they
see dollars in the future. More dollars equals more misrepresentation and
untruths to the public, part of which might believe in the hype.

I'm beginning to lose some faith in rFactor. There are so many mods and so
many revisions of mods that it's hard to get a handle on things. I think
I'll stay with GTR2 for a bit. I sometimes enjoy a stable, niched product,
rather than one that is spread out and diluted. For F1 cars, rFactor is
king; but for the GTs, I'll move to GTR2.

Alanb

Alan Bernardo wrote:
> "jason moyer" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> > Alan Bernardo wrote:
> >
> >> Once again, the tendency of SCE to commercialism and hence, in the
> >> future,
> >> to become retail, somewhat throws me off.
> >
> > I couldn't care less about whether it goes commercial or not or any of
> > that pretentious bull**** that people seem to enjoy arguing about
> > nowadays. What I care about is that it's complete garbage, and pretty
> > much represents everything I hate about simulation mods. I guess it
> > looks pretty.
> >
>
> Well, this is part of the problem, I think. Commercialism adds to the hype,
> which is never what a thing really is when looked at more closely. There's
> money being pumped into the mod from different sources, which allows some at
> SCE to advertise the game to be what it isn't. Others follow suit, not
> because there's anything spectacularly realistic about SCE but because they
> see dollars in the future. More dollars equals more misrepresentation and
> untruths to the public, part of which might believe in the hype.
>
> I'm beginning to lose some faith in rFactor. There are so many mods and so
> many revisions of mods that it's hard to get a handle on things. I think
> I'll stay with GTR2 for a bit. I sometimes enjoy a stable, niched product,
> rather than one that is spread out and diluted. For F1 cars, rFactor is
> king; but for the GTs, I'll move to GTR2.
>
> Alanb


I haven't researched the evolution or funding of SCE enough to know or
care if it is/will ever be a commercial product. All I know is that I
donwloaded the .97 version for free, and it is the best stock car mod
currently available for rFactor (and perhaps available on PC's in
general). My only gripe at the moment is that I don't have a Nextel
Cup skin pack for the mod - but I'm sure that will change soon enough.

I have lost no faith with rFactor. There are so many mods and so many
revisions of mods - I could never get bored! It's like getting a
whole new sim every couple of weeks! Admittedly, some of the mods and
tracks are not up to high enough standards, but those quickly get
deleted - so no harm. I love the fact that I can drive such a wide
variety of vehicles - from Karts to Touring to Nascar to F3's to F1's
(in several eras!) to ... And I can race those cars on a seemingly
endless variety of tracks. Yeah, I guess that's just not good enough
for some pepole... But I'll take it!

I have nothing against GTR2, as I believe it is an excellent product.
I just can't seem to justify the purchase when I already have trouble
finding enough time to get the most out of rFactor and GTL. Besides, I
almost feel like I have GTR2 already - being able to drive 6 cars on
many (GTL) tracks with the GTR2 demo. GTR2 is indeed great for GT
racing. But rFactor is (almost) equally great at so much more!...

-CK

Alan Bernardo wrote:
> "jason moyer" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
>
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>
> I'm beginning to lose some faith in rFactor. There are so many mods and so
> many revisions of mods that it's hard to get a handle on things. I think
> I'll stay with GTR2 for a bit. I sometimes enjoy a stable, niched product,
> rather than one that is spread out and diluted. For F1 cars, rFactor is
> king; but for the GTs, I'll move to GTR2.

Well, next you're gonna complain about too many channels on TV, right?

l8er
ronny

"Ronald Stoehr" > wrote in message
...
> Alan Bernardo wrote:
>> "jason moyer" > wrote in message
>> ps.com...
>>
> snipped
> >
>> I'm beginning to lose some faith in rFactor. There are so many mods and
>> so many revisions of mods that it's hard to get a handle on things. I
>> think I'll stay with GTR2 for a bit. I sometimes enjoy a stable, niched
>> product, rather than one that is spread out and diluted. For F1 cars,
>> rFactor is king; but for the GTs, I'll move to GTR2.
>
> Well, next you're gonna complain about too many channels on TV, right?
>
> l8er
> ronny

Sorry, I don't watch television, except when sports is on. The last time I
watched the national news was maybe 25 years ago.

Anyhow, I don't see your point. rFactor sometimes gets out of hand, with a
track released one minute and some advertisement add-on within seconds of
the track's release. This creates numerous mismatches, and causes
frustration connecting with an otherwise excellent netcode.

Alanb