If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
5 Speed synchronizer question
I have a 97 metro 5 speed 1.0L and it runs fine. I am beginning to notice
that whenever I downshift out of 3rd and 5th that I sometimes have to tug on the shifter to get it out of gear. I am still trying to gather data on this but it seems like one time it will come out nice and smooth and the next I get some resistance getting it out of gear. I notice that if I push the clutch pedal firmly on the floor that it appears to come out easier. My question is if it goes into gear smoothly [3rd and 5th] and does not "rake" the gears going in and it gives me a problem coming out, could it be a synchronizer problem? The gear oil fluid level is full and I think I can say that I noticed a tad bit of resistance going into 3rd and 5th on the drive back home. Any advice would help. This transaxle has 140000 miles on it and has never given me a problem. |
Ads |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
5 Speed synchronizer question
mbjj wrote:
> I have a 97 metro 5 speed 1.0L and it runs fine. I am beginning to notice > that whenever I downshift out of 3rd and 5th that I sometimes have to tug > on the shifter to get it out of gear. I am still trying to gather data on > this but it seems like one time it will come out nice and smooth and the > next I get some resistance getting it out of gear. I notice that if I > push the clutch pedal firmly on the floor that it appears to come out > easier. My question is if it goes into gear smoothly [3rd and 5th] and > does not "rake" the gears going in and it gives me a problem coming out, > could it be a synchronizer problem? The gear oil fluid level is full > and I think I can say that I noticed a tad bit of resistance going into > 3rd and 5th on the drive back home. Any advice would help. This transaxle > has 140000 miles on it and has never given me a problem. sounds like your clutch is not disengaging completely nate -- replace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
5 Speed synchronizer question
In article . net>,
mbjj > wrote: > I have a 97 metro 5 speed 1.0L and it runs fine. I am beginning to notice > that whenever I downshift out of 3rd and 5th that I sometimes have to tug > on the shifter to get it out of gear. I am still trying to gather data on > this but it seems like one time it will come out nice and smooth and the > next I get some resistance getting it out of gear. I notice that if I > push the clutch pedal firmly on the floor that it appears to come out > easier. My question is if it goes into gear smoothly [3rd and 5th] and > does not "rake" the gears going in and it gives me a problem coming out, > could it be a synchronizer problem? The gear oil fluid level is full > and I think I can say that I noticed a tad bit of resistance going into > 3rd and 5th on the drive back home. Any advice would help. This transaxle > has 140000 miles on it and has never given me a problem. When's the last time you checked the clutch fluid level/cable tension? Sounds to me more like a clutch that's not quite disengaging than a synchro problem from your information so far - especially the comment about "if I push the clutch pedal firmly to the floor..." A bum clutch could give you exactly the described symptoms. (and be a good bit cheaper to deal with than needing new synchros) 140K is a pretty good run for a clutch - especially on a "disposable" car like a Metro. -- Don Bruder - - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
5 Speed synchronizer question
Don Bruder wrote:
> In article . net>, > mbjj > wrote: > >> I have a 97 metro 5 speed 1.0L and it runs fine. I am beginning to notice >> that whenever I downshift out of 3rd and 5th that I sometimes have to tug >> on the shifter to get it out of gear. I am still trying to gather data on >> this but it seems like one time it will come out nice and smooth and the >> next I get some resistance getting it out of gear. I notice that if I >> push the clutch pedal firmly on the floor that it appears to come out >> easier. My question is if it goes into gear smoothly [3rd and 5th] and >> does not "rake" the gears going in and it gives me a problem coming out, >> could it be a synchronizer problem? The gear oil fluid level is full >> and I think I can say that I noticed a tad bit of resistance going into >> 3rd and 5th on the drive back home. Any advice would help. This transaxle >> has 140000 miles on it and has never given me a problem. > > When's the last time you checked the clutch fluid level/cable tension? > Sounds to me more like a clutch that's not quite disengaging than a > synchro problem from your information so far - especially the comment > about "if I push the clutch pedal firmly to the floor..." > > A bum clutch could give you exactly the described symptoms. (and be a > good bit cheaper to deal with than needing new synchros) > > 140K is a pretty good run for a clutch - especially on a "disposable" > car like a Metro. > The clutch is cable driven and I adjusted it about to the end of its throw. I have 3 or 4 more threads showing on the adjuster nut and then it will be bottomed out. As for the clutch itself I replaced it about 30,000 miles ago when I swapped out the engine. Unless my son was riding it when he had it for a year or so there isn't that many miles on it. You think it's more of an adjustment than it is a syncro problem? |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
5 Speed synchronizer question
Don Bruder wrote:
> In article . net>, > mbjj > wrote: > >> I have a 97 metro 5 speed 1.0L and it runs fine. I am beginning to notice >> that whenever I downshift out of 3rd and 5th that I sometimes have to tug >> on the shifter to get it out of gear. I am still trying to gather data on >> this but it seems like one time it will come out nice and smooth and the >> next I get some resistance getting it out of gear. I notice that if I >> push the clutch pedal firmly on the floor that it appears to come out >> easier. My question is if it goes into gear smoothly [3rd and 5th] and >> does not "rake" the gears going in and it gives me a problem coming out, >> could it be a synchronizer problem? The gear oil fluid level is full >> and I think I can say that I noticed a tad bit of resistance going into >> 3rd and 5th on the drive back home. Any advice would help. This transaxle >> has 140000 miles on it and has never given me a problem. > > When's the last time you checked the clutch fluid level/cable tension? > Sounds to me more like a clutch that's not quite disengaging than a > synchro problem from your information so far - especially the comment > about "if I push the clutch pedal firmly to the floor..." > > A bum clutch could give you exactly the described symptoms. (and be a > good bit cheaper to deal with than needing new synchros) > > 140K is a pretty good run for a clutch - especially on a "disposable" > car like a Metro. > Another thought. If it is related to the cable/clutch then why am I only experiencing it in 3rd and 5th gear? |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
5 Speed synchronizer question
mbjj wrote:
> Don Bruder wrote: > > >>In article . net>, >> mbjj > wrote: >> >> >>>I have a 97 metro 5 speed 1.0L and it runs fine. I am beginning to notice >>>that whenever I downshift out of 3rd and 5th that I sometimes have to tug >>>on the shifter to get it out of gear. I am still trying to gather data on >>>this but it seems like one time it will come out nice and smooth and the >>>next I get some resistance getting it out of gear. I notice that if I >>>push the clutch pedal firmly on the floor that it appears to come out >>>easier. My question is if it goes into gear smoothly [3rd and 5th] and >>>does not "rake" the gears going in and it gives me a problem coming out, >>>could it be a synchronizer problem? The gear oil fluid level is full >>>and I think I can say that I noticed a tad bit of resistance going into >>>3rd and 5th on the drive back home. Any advice would help. This transaxle >>>has 140000 miles on it and has never given me a problem. >> >>When's the last time you checked the clutch fluid level/cable tension? >>Sounds to me more like a clutch that's not quite disengaging than a >>synchro problem from your information so far - especially the comment >>about "if I push the clutch pedal firmly to the floor..." >> >>A bum clutch could give you exactly the described symptoms. (and be a >>good bit cheaper to deal with than needing new synchros) >> >>140K is a pretty good run for a clutch - especially on a "disposable" >>car like a Metro. >> > > The clutch is cable driven and I adjusted it about to the end of its > throw. I have 3 or 4 more threads showing on the adjuster nut and then > it will be bottomed out. As for the clutch itself I replaced it about > 30,000 miles ago when I swapped out the engine. Unless my son was > riding it when he had it for a year or so there isn't that many miles > on it. You think it's more of an adjustment than it is a syncro problem? > How much fre eplay does the clutch pedal have currently? nate -- replace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
5 Speed synchronizer question
Nate Nagel wrote:
> mbjj wrote: >> Don Bruder wrote: >> >> >>>In article . net>, >>> mbjj > wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I have a 97 metro 5 speed 1.0L and it runs fine. I am beginning to >>>>notice that whenever I downshift out of 3rd and 5th that I sometimes >>>>have to tug on the shifter to get it out of gear. I am still trying to >>>>gather data on this but it seems like one time it will come out nice and >>>>smooth and the next I get some resistance getting it out of gear. I >>>>notice that if I push the clutch pedal firmly on the floor that it >>>>appears to come out easier. My question is if it goes into gear smoothly >>>>[3rd and 5th] and does not "rake" the gears going in and it gives me a >>>>problem coming out, could it be a synchronizer problem? The gear oil >>>>fluid level is full and I think I can say that I noticed a tad bit of >>>>resistance going into 3rd and 5th on the drive back home. Any advice >>>>would help. This transaxle has 140000 miles on it and has never given me >>>>a problem. >>> >>>When's the last time you checked the clutch fluid level/cable tension? >>>Sounds to me more like a clutch that's not quite disengaging than a >>>synchro problem from your information so far - especially the comment >>>about "if I push the clutch pedal firmly to the floor..." >>> >>>A bum clutch could give you exactly the described symptoms. (and be a >>>good bit cheaper to deal with than needing new synchros) >>> >>>140K is a pretty good run for a clutch - especially on a "disposable" >>>car like a Metro. >>> >> >> The clutch is cable driven and I adjusted it about to the end of its >> throw. I have 3 or 4 more threads showing on the adjuster nut and then >> it will be bottomed out. As for the clutch itself I replaced it about >> 30,000 miles ago when I swapped out the engine. Unless my son was >> riding it when he had it for a year or so there isn't that many miles >> on it. You think it's more of an adjustment than it is a syncro problem? >> > > How much fre eplay does the clutch pedal have currently? > > nate > None. I adjusted it all out. I plan on backing it all off tomorrow to see what that does. |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
5 Speed synchronizer question
Nate Nagel wrote:
> mbjj wrote: >> I have a 97 metro 5 speed 1.0L and it runs fine. I am beginning to notice >> that whenever I downshift out of 3rd and 5th that I sometimes have to tug >> on the shifter to get it out of gear. I am still trying to gather data on >> this but it seems like one time it will come out nice and smooth and the >> next I get some resistance getting it out of gear. I notice that if I >> push the clutch pedal firmly on the floor that it appears to come out >> easier. My question is if it goes into gear smoothly [3rd and 5th] and >> does not "rake" the gears going in and it gives me a problem coming out, >> could it be a synchronizer problem? The gear oil fluid level is full >> and I think I can say that I noticed a tad bit of resistance going into >> 3rd and 5th on the drive back home. Any advice would help. This transaxle >> has 140000 miles on it and has never given me a problem. > > sounds like your clutch is not disengaging completely > > nate > It was out of adjustment. When I backed the adjuster off to get free play again it all fell into place. Now I have to watch it to see how much the misadjustment over time has shortened the clutch life. My thanks to you and everyone else that responded. mbjj |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
LIDAR Trial this Week | [email protected] | Driving | 17 | April 9th 06 02:44 AM |
Ah yes - The joys of SLOW DRIVING | Jim Yanik | Driving | 26 | March 22nd 06 01:27 PM |
The self-righteous LLB association of Virginia | Arif Khokar | Driving | 91 | October 12th 05 07:51 PM |
Where to get Official Speed Limit Info | [email protected] | Driving | 40 | January 3rd 05 07:10 AM |
Co must be full of 'em | Brent P | Driving | 58 | December 26th 04 10:45 PM |