Interesting site

The essence of the anti-ABS argument seems to be that superior
technology breeds risk-taking and unjustified reliance on the superior
technology. Let's go one better than not having ABS. Hell, why not
block off the rear brakes.
That will really foster conservative and attentive driving!

Don
www.donsautomotive.com

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:46:08 -0600, Don
> wrote:

>The essence of the anti-ABS argument seems to be that superior
>technology breeds risk-taking and unjustified reliance on the superior
>technology. Let's go one better than not having ABS. Hell, why not
>block off the rear brakes.
>That will really foster conservative and attentive driving!
>
>Don
>www.donsautomotive.com

Some people just don't want to admit that a computer can do something
better than they themselves can. I have seen demos on videotape
purporting that ABS causes the vehicle to overshoot the stop point a
manual brake will achieve. This can lead to collisions or worse.
Maybe.

I also know that night my ABS system saved me from a possible deadly
crash.

Take it to the seatbelt level. Do they save more lives than they
take? How many people have burned to death in a car crash, or drowned
or whatever, DIED, because they couldn't release the safety restraint
system. Are there any? Absolutely. Does that justify not wearing
them? You decide. I was in an accident where it kept me from
impacting the steering column and possibly puncturing my thorax. Some
people die because of their seat belts because they can't get out of a
flaming car on time.

What about motorcycle helmets? One kept my head in 1 piece when I
crashed a bike into a highway guard rail. Other people say they are
only good for snapping your neck. Ask Gary Busey about that.

If you don't want ABS, don't buy it. If you don't want to wear a seat
belt, cut the ****er out of your vehicle. Don't flame people who know
from first hand experience that these things can save lives.

And I carry a seat belt slasher and window breaker in my vehicles for
quick escape.

Lg

LOL... right on Don. I am really amazed/amused by the number of people
out there that have the notion that the ABS system is not only
worthless... but is worse that non-ABS braking. This in my opinion is
ridiculous and has no basis in fact. Hey... maybe they think dragging
their feet like the Flintstones is even better...

Professor
www.telstar-electronics.com

> wrote:
>
>Please... tell me where I can see "black ice". Another dumbed down
>phrase from the lexicon of the media. Why not just call it ICE? Is
>it black when it's on a concrete roadway? That I want to see.

You can't see black ice. That's what makes it black.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

wrote in article
>...
>
> Please... tell me where I can see "black ice". Another dumbed down
> phrase from the lexicon of the media. Why not just call it ICE? Is
> it black when it's on a concrete roadway? That I want to see.
>

It is a sheet of ice so thin as to NOT produce a whitish contrast with the
road - usually asphalt in the Northeast and other northern areas where
concrete would be destroyed by frost heaves - so it appears to be as black
as the road.

Since it is so difficult to see, black ice is different from and much more
threatening than regular ice.

I suppose it could be refered to as "Gray ice" on concrete......but the
term "black ice" has pretty clear meaning to those of us who experience it
on a regular basis.

It is often the result of temperatures hovering just below freezing,
coupled with an extremely light, misty rain. Picture rain the consistency
of paint as it exits a spray gun.....

When conditions are conducive to black ice, I watch the cars that pass me.

If there is no rooster tail coming off their tires - even a short, tiny one
- it is likely that they are driving on the much dryer "black ice" rather
than a wet road surface.

They are not slipping around a lot yet, because they are driving on the top
edges of the road surface agate.

When the ice thickness tops the top edges of the road agate, you might as
well be driving on a six-inch-thick hockey rink.

Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:46:08 -0600, Don
> > wrote:
>
> >The essence of the anti-ABS argument seems to be that superior
> >technology breeds risk-taking and unjustified reliance on the superior
> >technology. Let's go one better than not having ABS. Hell, why not
> >block off the rear brakes.
> >That will really foster conservative and attentive driving!
> >
> >Don
> >www.donsautomotive.com
>
> Some people just don't want to admit that a computer can do something
> better than they themselves can. I have seen demos on videotape
> purporting that ABS causes the vehicle to overshoot the stop point a
> manual brake will achieve. This can lead to collisions or worse.
> Maybe.
>
> I also know that night my ABS system saved me from a possible deadly
> crash.
>
> Take it to the seatbelt level. Do they save more lives than they
> take? How many people have burned to death in a car crash, or drowned
> or whatever, DIED, because they couldn't release the safety restraint
> system. Are there any? Absolutely. Does that justify not wearing
> them? You decide. I was in an accident where it kept me from
> impacting the steering column and possibly puncturing my thorax. Some
> people die because of their seat belts because they can't get out of a
> flaming car on time.
>
> What about motorcycle helmets? One kept my head in 1 piece when I
> crashed a bike into a highway guard rail. Other people say they are
> only good for snapping your neck. Ask Gary Busey about that.
>
> If you don't want ABS, don't buy it. If you don't want to wear a seat
> belt, cut the ****er out of your vehicle. Don't flame people who know
> from first hand experience that these things can save lives.
>
> And I carry a seat belt slasher and window breaker in my vehicles for
> quick escape.
>
> Lg

Lg, just based on the driving mishaps you have stated, you seem to have
a lot of near death experiences on the road. All these safety devices
have rewarded you hansomely.
Drive carefully.

On 27 Jan 2006 14:27:15 -0800, "Al Bundy" >
wrote:

>
>Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:46:08 -0600, Don
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >The essence of the anti-ABS argument seems to be that superior
>> >technology breeds risk-taking and unjustified reliance on the superior
>> >technology. Let's go one better than not having ABS. Hell, why not
>> >block off the rear brakes.
>> >That will really foster conservative and attentive driving!
>> >
>> >Don
>> >www.donsautomotive.com
>>
>> Some people just don't want to admit that a computer can do something
>> better than they themselves can. I have seen demos on videotape
>> purporting that ABS causes the vehicle to overshoot the stop point a
>> manual brake will achieve. This can lead to collisions or worse.
>> Maybe.
>>
>> I also know that night my ABS system saved me from a possible deadly
>> crash.
>>
>> Take it to the seatbelt level. Do they save more lives than they
>> take? How many people have burned to death in a car crash, or drowned
>> or whatever, DIED, because they couldn't release the safety restraint
>> system. Are there any? Absolutely. Does that justify not wearing
>> them? You decide. I was in an accident where it kept me from
>> impacting the steering column and possibly puncturing my thorax. Some
>> people die because of their seat belts because they can't get out of a
>> flaming car on time.
>>
>> What about motorcycle helmets? One kept my head in 1 piece when I
>> crashed a bike into a highway guard rail. Other people say they are
>> only good for snapping your neck. Ask Gary Busey about that.
>>
>> If you don't want ABS, don't buy it. If you don't want to wear a seat
>> belt, cut the ****er out of your vehicle. Don't flame people who know
>> from first hand experience that these things can save lives.
>>
>> And I carry a seat belt slasher and window breaker in my vehicles for
>> quick escape.
>>
>> Lg
>
>Lg, just based on the driving mishaps you have stated, you seem to have
>a lot of near death experiences on the road. All these safety devices
>have rewarded you hansomely.
>Drive carefully.

Yes Al, "somebody Up There" is watching over me.

Besides that, I was an over-the-road driver ( while doing Field
Service ) for 10+ years, and put on lots of company miles. Sooner or
later, statistics catch up with you. I drove interstate, but never
coast to coast.

So I want to call myself a professional driver, but that isn't quite
true today. Today I am mostly off the road nursing a diseased heart
and failing kidneys ;-|

That said, I could have been killed a dozen times over, without hardly
giving it any thought. I can think of 2 dozen times if I give it some
thought, and probably 3 dozen times if I think real hard about it. I
guess it "Isn't My Time" yet. And indeed, I try to stack the deck in
my favor with Safety Equipment but still, G-d has been good to me.

BTW, I went to buy 30 minute road flares today. They want only $2.97
per flare. Nobody needs to die on the road at night if they think
their life is worth more than $3 US.

My next *project* is to make a flare holder that I can stick 3 in at a
time, out of wood. One of these days busy busy!

Lg