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Punishing GM for killing electric car
It sounds like you've been watching the PBS program Now. They had multiple
conspiracy theories, all based on junk science, or more like no science. Right now it's technically infeasible to store enough energy in batteries to make an electric car useful for the majority of people, so they won't buy them. Maybe some day, but I doubt it. They've tried multiple chemistries for batteries and there are only so many possibilities. Nothing beats liquid fuels for energy density. I'd love an electric car, but I want transportation, not a hobby. "Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message ups.com... > Wouldn't be that hard. > > The State of California could concoct some law whose real effect would > be to punish GM for its perceived perfidy. When the Governator goes, it > will become politically feasible. > |
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Punishing GM for killing electric car
Really when you think about it, if GM abandoned the car, who would service
it? How many techs do they train, and where do they station them? How many parts do they stock for repairs? Even if GM sold them at the end of the trial, the buyers would be left with an electric Yugo. "Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message ups.com... > > Steve B. wrote: >> On 16 Jul 2006 15:14:32 -0700, "Bret Ludwig" > >> wrote: >> >> > >> > Electric cars do not have to be truly cost-effective for a modest but >> >definite market to exist. Is a Ferrari cost-effective? My guess is >> >there is a market for a $100,000 electric car in Hollywood and the >> >Hamptons. Especially if there were a hybrid gen set module that could >> >be swapped out for some battery storage. >> > >> > GM was being jerky and they should fear the legislature. >> >> >> Big difference. A 100lk Ferrari doesn't cost the manufacturer >> anywhere near 100k to produce and their whole company premise is to >> sell very few and very expensive cars. The electrics cost GM 100k to >> produce so they had no profit and GM is set up to sell a bunch of >> moderately priced cars. If you think this market exist why aren't you >> out raising capital and building it yourself? > > You are very very very naive. Each car cost much less than 100k to > produce. The total R&D amortized out per vehicle may have been that, > but since over 1000 vehicles were produced, that would put the program > cost at $100,000,000. I seriously doubt GM spent that much. > > The fact is that GM was offered a huge sum for all of the > already-produced cars at the end and showed their ass to this offer. > > Ferrari is owned by Fiat and in fact is subsidized as far as their car > production goes. Where Ferrari makes a profit is their extremely high > tech light nonferrous foundry program, but the cars lose money. My > guess is Corvette is a net-net loser too. But they make it up on the > logo program. > |
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Punishing GM for killing electric car
Gary wrote: > Really when you think about it, if GM abandoned the car, who would service > it? How many techs do they train, and where do they station them? How many > parts do they stock for repairs? Even if GM sold them at the end of the > trial, the buyers would be left with an electric Yugo. The same people who service the converted electric cars and DIY conversions available now. The buyers know these are a esoteric thing. They wanted them anyway. Quit sticking up for GM. They are a bully needing an asskicking. |
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Punishing GM for killing electric car
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"Bret Ludwig" > wrote: > Gary wrote: > > Really when you think about it, if GM abandoned the car, who would service > > it? How many techs do they train, and where do they station them? How many > > parts do they stock for repairs? Even if GM sold them at the end of the > > trial, the buyers would be left with an electric Yugo. > > > The same people who service the converted electric cars and DIY > conversions available now. The buyers know these are a esoteric thing. > They wanted them anyway. > > Quit sticking up for GM. They are a bully needing an asskicking. And ... the eco-Nazis are even bigger bullies, who have cost the American public untold billions of $$ with their incessant wild goose chases and unwarranted requirements, such as: oxygenates in the fuel electric cars mass transit destruction of the American nuclear power industry super-restrictive smog inspections, even on cars that were manufactured pre-emission control blocking of freeway improvements |
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Punishing GM for killing electric car
On 18 Jul 2006 06:22:32 -0700, "Bret Ludwig" >
wrote: > $1500 a car for health insurance? I would like to see them prove that. >I think it's hooey. That was well know and that was for 2005, I am not making this up. GM has very liberale insurance benifits at basically no cost to employees and it is starting to bleed them a lot. Below is a old link that took 10 seconds to find with a search engine (there are a a lot more) that state GM's insurance costs in 2005. It will be higher in 2006. You should read more before making some claims. http://www.tcf.org/list.asp?type=NC&pubid=1113 ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com |
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Punishing GM for killing electric car
SnoMan wrote:
> On 18 Jul 2006 06:22:32 -0700, "Bret Ludwig" > > wrote: > >> $1500 a car for health insurance? I would like to see them prove that. >> I think it's hooey. > > > That was well know and that was for 2005, I am not making this up. GM > has very liberale insurance benifits at basically no cost to employees > and it is starting to bleed them a lot. Below is a old link that took > 10 seconds to find with a search engine (there are a a lot more) that > state GM's insurance costs in 2005. It will be higher in 2006. You > should read more before making some claims. > > > http://www.tcf.org/list.asp?type=NC&pubid=1113 > ----------------- > The SnoMan > www.thesnoman.com Well if all you People that there company's don't pay there health insurance would pay there own insurance in stead of going to the hospital and getting there health care for free. Then the hospitals wouldn't have to charge inflated rates to the people that have company sponsored insurance to cover you slackers. Hay I'm a UAW member and I do have to pay into my health insurance plan!! Maybe the mass out there might want to start organizing and take back some of the company's profits and CEO wages. No that not right I really want to pay for my own insurance and while were at it just take me out of the middle class and beat me with a stick.. |
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Punishing GM for killing electric car
mmo wrote: <<snip>> > Well if all you People that there company's don't pay there health > insurance would pay there own insurance in stead of going to the > hospital and getting there health care for free. Then the hospitals > wouldn't have to charge inflated rates to the people that have company > sponsored insurance to cover you slackers. > Hay I'm a UAW member and I do have to pay into my health insurance plan!! > Maybe the mass out there might want to start organizing and take back > some of the company's profits and CEO wages. No that not right I really > want to pay for my own insurance and while were at it just take me out > of the middle class and beat me with a stick.. Middle class people pay an insurance deductible and a copay and a big deduction out of their check. UAW health benefits and those of executives both need cutting back. |
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Punishing GM for killing electric car
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:48:56 -0500, "Box134" >
wrote: >It sounds like you've been watching the PBS program Now. They had multiple >conspiracy theories, all based on junk science, or more like no science. >Right now it's technically infeasible to store enough energy in batteries to >make an electric car useful for the majority of people, so they won't buy >them. Maybe some day, but I doubt it. They've tried multiple chemistries for >batteries and there are only so many possibilities. Nothing beats liquid >fuels for energy density. > >I'd love an electric car, but I want transportation, not a hobby. > >"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message oups.com... >> Wouldn't be that hard. >> >> The State of California could concoct some law whose real effect would >> be to punish GM for its perceived perfidy. When the Governator goes, it >> will become politically feasible. >> > Check out the link below http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/25/pau...ary/index.html ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com |
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