10 to 25% better MPG, with 2 or 3 ounces of Acetone per 10 gals of gas

On May 6, 9:48 am, Larry Bud > wrote:
> On May 6, 12:42 pm, Max > wrote:
>
> > Acetone is available at autoparts stores, walgreens, walmarts, etc,
> > and costs only 10 to 15 cents per ounce. Everyone who cares about air
> > pollution and the high cost of gasoline should know about this.
>
> Right up there with the fake moon landing, big foot, and the lochness
> monster.

I was near a line at the UK auto show where people were lined up to
pay 5 PGB ($8) for cow mangets to tie to their fuel line to align the
molecules.
A guy (SCCA Racer) trying to tie me into a scheme selling some sort of
snake-oil to increase power and mileage.
I gave it a good test As an occasional test engineer, car mechanic,
and free-lance writer, I thoughb the investment would e interesting
($15), so design and ran a professional level - on the road - test.
Change in acceeraion (both ways) :none
Change in fuel use in every-day driving: none, taking into account
acceptable error

On May 6, 11:48 am, Max > wrote:
> On May 6, 12:55 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
>
> > wrote:
> > >Pure BS!!!!!! There is no magic snale oil that you can add to fuel to
> > >increase efficency 10 to 25% period.
>
> That's exactly what the oil companys would like everyone to believe.
>
> According to scientific research - about 3 ounces of Acetone added to
> every 10 gallons of gasoline helps some people, but NOT all, get
> significant increases in number of MPG, and also helps their cars run
> better.
>
> http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directo..._Fuel_Additive
>
> http://www.lubedev.com/articles/additive.htm
>
> Furthermore, the oil companies have purchased & locked up in their
> safes, certain devices that can cause gasoline & diesel engines to get
> huge increases in their mpg. Oil companies are there to make
> billions, NOT to clean up the environment or to help people spend less
> on fuel. Their greed knows no end.

The generally accepted rule was that gas goes 1/3 to heat to cooling
system, 1/3rd to heat out the exhaust pipe and 1/3 toward moving the
car. These were from years ago and no doubt have changed a bit for
many reasons.

Anyhow, to double the mileage or whatever the claim may be, you would
have to cut the other two in half (in combination).

Now, to business realities.
There are more thanone or two engineers employed by car companies.
If they could supply their firm with a device or combinatio of same to
do what you claim the oil firms have hidden away, and thus gain o,e
hell of an advantage over the others, don't you think that they would
have?

On May 6, 1:00 pm, Studemania > wrote:
> On May 6, 9:48 am, Larry Bud > wrote:
>
> > On May 6, 12:42 pm, Max > wrote:
>
> > > Acetone is available at autoparts stores, walgreens, walmarts, etc,
> > > and costs only 10 to 15 cents per ounce. Everyone who cares about air
> > > pollution and the high cost of gasoline should know about this.
>
> > Right up there with the fake moon landing, big foot, and the lochness
> > monster.
>
> I was near a line at the UK auto show where people were lined up to
> pay 5 PGB ($8) for cow mangets to tie to their fuel line to align the
> molecules.
> A guy (SCCA Racer) trying to tie me into a scheme selling some sort of
> snake-oil to increase power and mileage.
> I gave it a good test As an occasional test engineer, car mechanic,
> and free-lance writer, I thoughb the investment would e interesting
> ($15), so design and ran a professional level - on the road - test.
> Change in acceeraion (both ways) :none
> Change in fuel use in every-day driving: none, taking into account
> acceptable error

Before you ask, the power test was a 10 MPH to 60 MPH in 3rd gear
acceleration, going each direction to account for wind and slope.
Always done at the same spot on the old 101 south of San Jose. Smooth,
near level, and no traffic at the time I tested.

"Max" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Acetone is available at autoparts stores, walgreens, walmarts, etc,
> and costs only 10 to 15 cents per ounce. Everyone who cares about air
> pollution and the high cost of gasoline should know about this.
<...>

> http://www.lubedev.com/articles/additive.htm

I noticed that there were a total of ZERO references in that article.

Nail polish remover is acetone.

I really doubt that it makes much of a difference in gas mileage.

Jeff

On 6 May 2007 11:48:29 -0700, Max > wrote:

>On May 6, 12:55 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
> wrote:
>
>> >Pure BS!!!!!! There is no magic snale oil that you can add to fuel to
>> >increase efficency 10 to 25% period.
>
>That's exactly what the oil companys would like everyone to believe.
>
>According to scientific research - about 3 ounces of Acetone added to
>every 10 gallons of gasoline helps some people, but NOT all, get
>significant increases in number of MPG, and also helps their cars run
>better.

I'll bet you believe donkeys can fly too! Again anyone that gains form
it has a durty system that acetone helps clean out. Least not forget
the acetone is not at all kind to your fuel hoses and seals either.


>Furthermore, the oil companies have purchased & locked up in their
>safes, certain devices that can cause gasoline & diesel engines to get
>huge increases in their mpg. Oil companies are there to make
>billions, NOT to clean up the environment or to help people spend less
>on fuel. Their greed knows no end.


It just get deeper all the time with you. You know I actually studsies
IC engine design and thermodynamic principles many years ago in
college and there is no magic formula to boost engine MPG. Most of the
energy from gas goes out tail pipe and cooling system and the balance
goes to flywheel after you subtract internal friction losses. A IC
engine is a heat engine driven by energy in expanding gasses created
by fuel burned. Like I said earlier, there is about 50 HP or heat
energy in a gallon of pure gas and no additive short of nitro methane
is going to boost that. The magic cure to boost MPG is to raise CR of
engine and increase octane of fuel becuase the main reason diesels are
more efficent at times is because they have a much higher CR than a
gas motor and extract more energy from expanding gasses (called
expansion ratio). While it is true that diesel has more energy in fuel
too it is the higher CR that makes it shine. If oil companies and
Detroit is doing anything to keep demand up it is the myth that 87
octane is all you ever need because as long as it is the mainstay,
engine designed have to be compromised in design and operation to
prevent them from being destroyed by detination from low octane gas.
The ONLY reason there is a knock sensor on a engine is to keep
consumer happy with his 87 octane feed by retarding sprak and reducing
efficency and lower MPG and which provides the seeds for belief that a
magic cure is being hidden and locked away.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in news:elmop-
:

> In article >,
> SnoMan > wrote:
>
>> Pure BS!!!!!! There is no magic snale oil that you can add to fuel to
>> increase efficency 10 to 25% period. This is kinda like the 80 MPG
>> carbs that were supposed to exist in 60's and 70's because people want
>> to believe in it. Heat energy is what drives a motor
>
> Speaking of which, whatever happened to Smokey Yunick's adiabatic
> engines?
>



Never went anywhere.

Car and Driver sent out a couple of guys (Don Sherman and Patrick Bedard?)
in the '80s, to investigate just that. Apparently Smokey was quite reticent
about details, and insisted on running the car on Indolene (a research
fuel) and would not allow the CD crew to fill the car with retail pump gas.

And can you imagine the NOx emissions?

--
Tegger

"Jeff" > wrote in news:cbu%h.957$LJ3.529@trnddc02:

>
> "Max" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Acetone is available at autoparts stores, walgreens, walmarts, etc,
>> and costs only 10 to 15 cents per ounce. Everyone who cares about air
>> pollution and the high cost of gasoline should know about this.
> <...>
>
>> http://www.lubedev.com/articles/additive.htm
>
> I noticed that there were a total of ZERO references in that article.
>
> Nail polish remover is acetone.
>
> I really doubt that it makes much of a difference in gas mileage.
>


Nobody's posted this link yet, so I will:
<http://www.cartalk.com/content/columns//Archive/2006/January/08.html>


--
Tegger

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> SnoMan > wrote:
>
>> Most of the
>> energy from gas goes out tail pipe and cooling system and the balance
>> goes to flywheel after you subtract internal friction losses.
>
> Ummmm....the friction losses are EXACTLY what go to the cooling system,
> with some no doubt going out the tailpipe.
>
> No need to subtract them twice.
>

Well, there is a certain amount of combustion energy that goes to the
cooling system. I suspect there is far more combustion energy at the
radiator than friction energy, but what do I know ...

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> SnoMan > wrote:
>
>> Pure BS!!!!!! There is no magic snale oil that you can add to fuel to
>> increase efficency 10 to 25% period. This is kinda like the 80 MPG
>> carbs that were supposed to exist in 60's and 70's because people want
>> to believe in it. Heat energy is what drives a motor
>
> Speaking of which, whatever happened to Smokey Yunick's adiabatic
> engines?

Great question! There's the thinking man showing up. That idea would work
if you could build a ceramic engine or something like that. Adiabatic
engines melt down.

"I. Care" > wrote in message
.net...
> In article om>,
> says...
>> Maybe you work for an oil company.
>> Scientific testing indicates that it works:
>>
>> http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directo..._Fuel_Additive
>>
>>
> I must have missed the "Scientific testing" portion of the link while
> skimming through it. All I read were anecdotal reports, I didn't see
> any real reputable science lab tests listed.
>
> Did I overlook the real science done by credible real scientists?
> --
All the molecular vibrations knocked it all off the page. They're getting
it gathered back up right now.