Hundreds Of Truckers Protest High Gas Prices

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005, Dave Smith wrote:

> FWIW, a lot of us up here are getting fed up with the ongoing softwood
> lumber dispute. The US has lost round after round of appeals to various
> agencies to get rid of punitive tariffs over US claims that our softwood
> lumber is unfairly subsidized. Despite repeated decision in Canada's
> favor, the US refuses to drop the tariffs. A lot of people think it
> would be a good idea to shut off the taps for the oil and natural gas
> until the dispute is settled.

....which will only hasten the arrival of US tanks and planes invading
Canada to "spread democracy".

"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > FWIW, a lot of us up here are getting fed up with the ongoing softwood
> > lumber dispute. The US has lost round after round of appeals to various
> > agencies to get rid of punitive tariffs over US claims that our softwood
> > lumber is unfairly subsidized. Despite repeated decision in Canada's
> > favor, the US refuses to drop the tariffs. A lot of people think it
> > would be a good idea to shut off the taps for the oil and natural gas
> > until the dispute is settled.
>
> ...which will only hasten the arrival of US tanks and planes invading
> Canada to "spread democracy".

What? The US invade another country for oil?

In article ich.edu>, Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> And just think: China needs all that oil because *we* buy all the garbage
> Wal-Mart sources there and ships here. We have the power to stop the
> Chinese guzzling all that oil. All we have to do is stop buying from them.

true. And if one looks hard enough, there are made-in-the-USA
alternatives that are competitively priced or even less expensive then
the made-in-china counterpart. Even on the shelves of walmart.

Another thing that not buying made-in-china will do is change corporate
mentalities regarding it. Many companies just go for the cheap labor
instead of the automation investment. A while back I bought a made in the
USA wall switch. It cost ~55 cents retail. We can make things in this country
at low cost when the will to do so is there. (yes, and that will includes
unions giving up their extortion as well as executives giving up short
sided greed)

>> All great ideas, but we had 30 years to do something about it, and we
>> did not do much of anything, except go ballistic over Chernobyl and
>> Three Mile Island and shut down our nuclear plants, which pollute much
>> less then coal-fired plants.

> ...not to mention discouraging the mindless production of ever more and
> more babies.

The birth rate in developed nations is generally in decline. For the USA
it's more and more people entering the country that is putting a strain
on resources. Not to mention wage surpression.

> And we've made it very difficult for ourselves to back up and go a
> different route. Much of North America's prime farmland has been paved
> over for suburbs and shopping malls.

Looking down on a flight from chicago to denver I can say that we aren't
going to be running short of farm land. However, humans do appear to be
an infection on the landscape.

> So, yeah, it's pretty basic: Too many people competing for too few
> resources = problems.
>
> (Given that, one wonders how long it'll take for society to begin to smile
> on those who, for whatever reason, do not contribute to the population
> boom.)

Large family = manpower. When doomsday comes all that will matter is
force. (keep in mind I am single, without children)

In article >, Matthew Russotto wrote:

> After a Malthusian fall, it won't take long for the plants to take
> over again.

Considering what goes on at my house, I estimate a few years at the most.

I'm gone for 10 days and there are new TREES growing everywhere. And it's
a drought year!

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:00:18 -0700, "Bernard Farquart"
> wrote:

>
>"The Real Bev" > wrote in message
...
>
>>> I guess convenience takes precedence over cheap gasoline...
>>
>> Of course it does. Time is irreplaceable.
>>
>That's silly, each and every minute is followed by yet
>another one. Time will not run out.

It will for you...

I agree with Bev to a certain extent. I certainly don't appreciate
having precious moments of my (finite) lifespan stolen away by some
jackass Sloth blocking my progress on the road. However, there must be
a point at which the cost of gasoline (and thus the convenience of
driving your personal automobile EVERYWHERE) outweighs the value of
the time saved. Obviously, despite all the bitching and moaning, we in
America have not yet reached this point, even at $3.00/gallon.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:35:59 GMT, "Whitelightning"
> wrote:

>
>"Bernard Farquart" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> >
>> That's silly, each and every minute is followed by yet
>> another one. Time will not run out.
>>
>> Bernard
>>
>
>So your an immortal

But there can be only one.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> ...which will only hasten the arrival of US tanks and planes invading
>> Canada to "spread democracy".
>
> What? The US invade another country for oil?

It's a radical concept! But they are practicing the approach. If they do
anything it will be to steal our fresh water. {;^)

Brian

"Brent P" > wrote in message
...
>
> > . (yes, and that will includes
> unions giving up their extortion as well as executives giving up short
> sided greed)
>
That mentalitly always grates on me. everyone is all for the other guy
giving up benefits
and pay, Tell ya what, you lead the way, ditch your medical, your
retirement, and work for
$8 an hour, 32 hours a week. If you and your wife both work two jobs you
should be just fine.

I will agree on the executives, CEOs and their underlings make entirely too
much money.
The worse thing that ever happened to business was thecreation of the stock
market.

Whitelightning

In article <e7VLe.1528$Y55.650@trnddc06>, Whitelightning wrote:
>
> "Brent P" > wrote in message

>> > . (yes, and that will includes
>> unions giving up their extortion as well as executives giving up short
>> sided greed)

> That mentalitly always grates on me. everyone is all for the other guy
> giving up benefits and pay,

No. Just the benefits of having a job that doesn't even need a HS
education and could be filled by practically anyone pay more than those
requiring a PhD's in engineering because of a mob infested union's
shakedown and intimidation techniques.

> Tell ya what, you lead the way, ditch your medical, your
> retirement, and work for
> $8 an hour, 32 hours a week. If you and your wife both work two jobs you
> should be just fine.

Don't have a wife. And I don't even use my medical. And if you think your
union thugs have anything to do with my pay or benefits think again. They
don't. I make what I do because that's what the market will bare.

Hell, adjusted for inflation, my profession paid more in 1900 than it
does now.

> I will agree on the executives, CEOs and their underlings make entirely too
> much money.

Oh, so you must hate yourself. Or at the very least have the same
mentality that grates on you.

After all, those corporate types are only using the same sort of greedy
**** the other guy over techniques that the union thugs do. Just a bit
less physical.

> The worse thing that ever happened to business was thecreation of the stock
> market.

In many ways yes.

In article >,
Brent P > wrote:
>
>Another thing that not buying made-in-china will do is change corporate
>mentalities regarding it. Many companies just go for the cheap labor
>instead of the automation investment.

Indeed, cheap Chinese labor has set automation back decades.
Electronics which used to be made automatically using machinery to
place parts on a board and then solder them are now made by large numbers of
Chinese women placing parts by hand.
--
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result in a fully-depreciated one.