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Old August 1st 06, 02:32 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled
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Default Keyless entry problem - 1999 New Beetle

Here again, I have seen hints of this problem in the forums, but not a
definitive answer...

On our 1999 Beetle, the keyless entry is not working correctly. When we
exit the car and press the lock button, the passenger door and trunk
lock, but the drivers door does not. It horns first, then tried to lock
the door with no luck. If we then completely unlock the car with the
keyless remote and then re-lock and everything works fine. But this
time it locks first and then horns ???
Does anyone have any thoughts or a fix. At this point nothing has been
attempted.

Exact the same problem was mentioned here few months ago but can't get
in touch with the person who had the same issue to see if they had any
luck with it.

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Old August 1st 06, 06:26 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled
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Default Keyless entry problem - 1999 New Beetle

On 2006-08-01, > wrote:
> Here again, I have seen hints of this problem in the forums, but not a
> definitive answer...
>
> On our 1999 Beetle, the keyless entry is not working correctly. When we
> exit the car and press the lock button, the passenger door and trunk
> lock, but the drivers door does not. It horns first, then tried to lock
> the door with no luck. If we then completely unlock the car with the
> keyless remote and then re-lock and everything works fine. But this
> time it locks first and then horns ???
> Does anyone have any thoughts or a fix. At this point nothing has been
> attempted.


I've had a similar problem with a 2000 Jetta. I also sought help here,
but nobody seemed to know anything, so I got the tools and dove in
to the problem myself. I have a Bentley manual, and it is good for
showing you how to get the doors apart and the lock mechanisms out,
but it stops there. There is no real troubleshooting info. Here's
what I've figured out so far.

My problem was twofold. Initially, I would just have problems with
the driver and passenger doors either not fully unlocking, or unlocking
but not registering as such with the computer ("Comfort Module"). Thus
the doors would appear unlocked, and would sometimes open, but the alarm
would go off as soon as you did, necessitating another press of the
remote unlock button. This was annoying, but appeared to be mostly
a mechanical problem with the passenger mechanism and the little
switch in the driver's mechanism that registers the state of the
lock button.

One day, suddenly and spontaneously, 3 of the 4 door locks just stopped
working. Dead. The right-rear, gas tank, and trunk mechanisms continued
to work flawlessly. The driver and passenger doors failing didn't
surprise me, but the left-rear door did, as I had never had a problem
with it. All I can figure is some sort of power surge, but the car
was off at the time, so its only power was from the battery, and none
of the "Comfort System" fuses were blown. (There are 2 hidden ones above
the relay panel in addition to a couple on the standard fuse panel.)

Obviously this problem wasn't going to be resolved through cursory
means, so I did some explorartory surgery on the driver's door, and
with wiring diagram and meter in hand, cut into some of the driver's
lock harness to check signals, "locking" and "unlocking" along the
way. The signals were all what I expected, so the problem wasn't with
the Comfort Module, but with the mechanisms themselves. I figured
maybe an internal fuse in each one. I couldn't go any further though
because I lacked the funky 12-point screwdriver needed to extricate
the mechanism. The Internet provided me with this tool, although at
more search effort than I expected. Armed with the proper tools,
several weeks later I returned to the problem and removed the
passenger side lock module and took it to my workbench (read "kitchen
counter"). Using a 12v power supply, I applied power directly to the
motor lines to see if it would operate. Nothing. Reverse polarity.
Nothing. Time to take it apart. Many Torx screws later of at least
3 different sizes I had the module open. It consists of a small motor,
a mechanical apparatus of several gears and a PC board with a single
microswitch that detects the position of the mechanism. No other
electronic components of any kind. The problem had to be the motor
itself. I removed the motor and tried to power it. Still dead.
Might be brushes. Take the motor apart. Pain in the ass. Brushes
look okay. Tighten them up. Apply some contact cleaner. Reassemble.
Apply power. ZOOM! Score! Remove power. Put back in mechanism.
Apply power. Nothing. WTF? Move mechanism manually. Try again.
CLICK! Worked. Hmmm. The motor is only starting from certain
positions. Either there is a bad winding or the brushes are making
intermittent contact. Either way the motor is trash. Given the
unusually long shaft and the strange clutch mechanism bound to
it, I won't be finding an off-the-shelf replacement. I'll have
to replace the whole lock mechanism.

The VW dealer wanted $150 apiece for them, so I kept my eye on
Ebay. All I was able to find were a RF door unit and 2 LR units.
I got them all for about $180 with S&H. Fair deal. The plan was
to use parts from the 2nd LR unit to refurb the LF unit. Left
and Right parts can't be swapped because EVERYTHING is mirrored,
even the rotation of the worm gears.

I first replaced the RF unit and once I got the exterior handle
tension right it worked flawlessly. Second, I did the LF unit,
combining the actuator from one of the LR units with the latch
from the existing LF unit. This included the circuit board with
the microswitches on it. Some slight Dremel modifications had to
be made to the plastic case to make the lock cylinder fit, but
I did get it to mate up. I installed it and it checked out okay.

I still have not installed the LR unit, as it involves a bit
more work to get the door apart and working outside in Florida
in summer is miserable.

About a week later a variant of the original problem with the
LF door re-emerged. The door will often not lock, but will think
it is locked, causing the aforementioned alarm problem. The
"headlight warning" beep when the lights are still on and the
driver's door is open also does not work. I suspect a faulty
microswitch in the latch mechanism, which was never changed.

Long story a little less long, you have to swap out the lock
modules. It's the only sure way to fix the problem. Chalk it
up to yet another flakey VW electronic amenity. It is still
a mystery to me how 3 out of 4 motors all failed at the exact same
time.

....Sean.

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Old August 1st 06, 10:41 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled
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Default Keyless entry problem - 1999 New Beetle

Thanks Sean.

I also noticed that if I open the door after unsuccessful lock it will
not trigger alarm - but alarm will go off if I try to start the engine.
I guess the same like yours.

While searching door lock as you suggested I found this article. It
might help somebody:

http://www.taligentx.com/passat/main...lockmechanism/

Now I need to find that door lock for driver side ...

 




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