air bag injuries due to propellant chemicals

deadbeat wrote:
>
>
> P.S. it's the internet, and newsgroups are for opinions. If your researching
> you should research all opinions. Not just the ones YOU want. You know, like
> the ones Bush wanted! To prove to his father by chasing Saddam out of power,
> by lying about weapons of mass destruction! Only cost Billions of dollars
> and untold amount of innocent lives of our troops. Just so George W can say
> " Dad, Are you proud of me know! I got rid of Saddam for you" But then again
> his research for Weapons of mass destruction, was the research he wanted to
> hear! Not what the rest of the entire free world had researched! THE ARE NO
> WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! By the way George W. if you are watching this
> newsgroup, Osama is in Afganistan! Do you need a new map to go get him?

Deadbeat Dave, i don't believe i saw your name on my ballot when i went
to vote...i am sure George would listen to you if you had real info..
why not email him yourself..

I did not think you had this much of a problem to have to rant OT like this
on religious matters. At the very least you might like to follow the advice
of first getting the facts, but I think that further discussion is totally
irrelevant to this NG.

DAS
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> If the "sin" (i.e., "abomination before the LORD") is wearing garments of
> mixed fiber content, or a widower remarrying, or eating shellfish, or any
> of the many other "abominations before the LORD" mentioned in The Bible,
> those get a free pass from God -- just ask Bill.
{...]
>
> It's really sad that for all our talk of how evolved we are, so many human
> beings still choose not to use the brain God gave them, deferring instead
> to what they're told God wants them to do. God doesn't love boys who still
> have their whole penis. God cries if you eat a ham-and-cheese sandwich.
[...]

I did not think you had this much of a problem to have to rant OT like this
on religious matters. At the very least you might like to follow the advice
of first getting the facts, but I think that further discussion is totally
irrelevant to this NG.

DAS
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For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
[...]
>
> If the "sin" (i.e., "abomination before the LORD") is wearing garments of
> mixed fiber content, or a widower remarrying, or eating shellfish, or any
> of the many other "abominations before the LORD" mentioned in The Bible,
> those get a free pass from God -- just ask Bill.
{...]
>
> It's really sad that for all our talk of how evolved we are, so many human
> beings still choose not to use the brain God gave them, deferring instead
> to what they're told God wants them to do. God doesn't love boys who still
> have their whole penis. God cries if you eat a ham-and-cheese sandwich.
[...]

matthew, thank you for giving me some real info ....
p.s. it is in the HOLY **** range, but not many people read their MSDS'....

thanks again..

linda


Matthew Russotto wrote:
> In article >,
> linda > wrote:
>
>>http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf10/11590_web.pdf
>>
>>
>>i really have heard of people with major difficulites from the chemical
>>hazards (Sodium Azide, Nitrogen, phosgene) associated with air bags.
>>and if those "airbags are the cure" folks would kindly look at the link
>>i provided above (Federal Register / Vol. 60,November 9, 1995 / Proposed
>>Rules) you will see that they do not talk about any respiratory
>>illnessess associated with the dangerous chemicals. Please also check
>>http://dms.dot.gov/reports/ and do a simple search on air bags, and no
>>where will you find any mention of respiratory illnesses associated with
>>the chemical hazards. Please check your MSDS (Material Safety Data
>>Sheet) for each of these chemicals and see if you think that "the cure
>>hurts a few a little bit".. Just pray to whatever entity you pray to
>>that you are never inflicted with this type of injury. I am assuming
>>that some would prefer a closed casket rather than a respiratory illness
>>to live with a long time...
>
>
> The MSDS for Sodium Azide is in the "holy ****" range:
>
> <http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/s2906.htm>
> Health Rating: 3 - Severe (Poison)
> Flammability Rating: 2 - (Moderate)
> Reactivity Rating: 4 - Extreme (Explosive)
> Contact Rating: 3 - Severe (Life)
>
> Inhalation:
> May cause irritation to the respiratory tract and mucous membranes,
> sore throat, coughing, dizziness, shortness of breath, and
> fainting. May be absorbed through inhalation. Symptoms may parallel
> ingestion.
>
> Ingestion:
> Highly Toxic! May cause breathlessness, pulmonary edema and rapid
> heart beat within 5 minutes. Nausea, vomiting, headache, restlessness,
> and diarrhea may occur within 15 minutes. Other symptoms may include
> low blood pressure, abnormal breathing, reduced body temperature,
> reduced body pH, convulsions, collapse and death.
>
> Need I go on?
>
> Anyway, fortunately most if not all of the azide deflagerates in the airbag
> explosion. Unfortunately, it decomposes to nitrogen (N2), which is
> perfectly harmless, and sodium (Na) which ain't. If the sodium reacts
> with water (e.g. humidity, or your mucous membranes) you get NaOH (lye)
> <http://www.chem.tamu.edu/class/majors/msdsfiles/msdssodiumhydroxide.htm>
>
> Except for not being explosive, NaOH is about as nasty as azide. The
> other stuff they put in airbags to try to prevent the free sodium from
> floating around isn't much fun to breathe either; if it works perfectly
> you get "only" silicate glass (which you don't want to breathe
> either), otherwise you get sodium and potassium oxides (quite nasty)

matthew, thank you for giving me some real info ....
p.s. it is in the HOLY **** range, but not many people read their MSDS'....

thanks again..

linda


Matthew Russotto wrote:
> In article >,
> linda > wrote:
>
>>http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf10/11590_web.pdf
>>
>>
>>i really have heard of people with major difficulites from the chemical
>>hazards (Sodium Azide, Nitrogen, phosgene) associated with air bags.
>>and if those "airbags are the cure" folks would kindly look at the link
>>i provided above (Federal Register / Vol. 60,November 9, 1995 / Proposed
>>Rules) you will see that they do not talk about any respiratory
>>illnessess associated with the dangerous chemicals. Please also check
>>http://dms.dot.gov/reports/ and do a simple search on air bags, and no
>>where will you find any mention of respiratory illnesses associated with
>>the chemical hazards. Please check your MSDS (Material Safety Data
>>Sheet) for each of these chemicals and see if you think that "the cure
>>hurts a few a little bit".. Just pray to whatever entity you pray to
>>that you are never inflicted with this type of injury. I am assuming
>>that some would prefer a closed casket rather than a respiratory illness
>>to live with a long time...
>
>
> The MSDS for Sodium Azide is in the "holy ****" range:
>
> <http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/s2906.htm>
> Health Rating: 3 - Severe (Poison)
> Flammability Rating: 2 - (Moderate)
> Reactivity Rating: 4 - Extreme (Explosive)
> Contact Rating: 3 - Severe (Life)
>
> Inhalation:
> May cause irritation to the respiratory tract and mucous membranes,
> sore throat, coughing, dizziness, shortness of breath, and
> fainting. May be absorbed through inhalation. Symptoms may parallel
> ingestion.
>
> Ingestion:
> Highly Toxic! May cause breathlessness, pulmonary edema and rapid
> heart beat within 5 minutes. Nausea, vomiting, headache, restlessness,
> and diarrhea may occur within 15 minutes. Other symptoms may include
> low blood pressure, abnormal breathing, reduced body temperature,
> reduced body pH, convulsions, collapse and death.
>
> Need I go on?
>
> Anyway, fortunately most if not all of the azide deflagerates in the airbag
> explosion. Unfortunately, it decomposes to nitrogen (N2), which is
> perfectly harmless, and sodium (Na) which ain't. If the sodium reacts
> with water (e.g. humidity, or your mucous membranes) you get NaOH (lye)
> <http://www.chem.tamu.edu/class/majors/msdsfiles/msdssodiumhydroxide.htm>
>
> Except for not being explosive, NaOH is about as nasty as azide. The
> other stuff they put in airbags to try to prevent the free sodium from
> floating around isn't much fun to breathe either; if it works perfectly
> you get "only" silicate glass (which you don't want to breathe
> either), otherwise you get sodium and potassium oxides (quite nasty)

linda wrote:

> Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
>
>> I think I found an error, which we could debate.. :-)
>>
>> "Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every
>> stream,
>> lake, and reservoir in America today. "
>>
>> "Almost"?
>>
>> If a stream does not contain the stuff, is it still a stream...?...
>>
>> DAS
>
>
> Actually, in my years of toxicology research, i was told that DHMO is
> toxic in large enough quantities...
>
> lw


But you said you were "new at this research thing", didn't you?????

What is under that bridge?

Me thinks I smell a troll.

Dan

linda wrote:

> Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
>
>> I think I found an error, which we could debate.. :-)
>>
>> "Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every
>> stream,
>> lake, and reservoir in America today. "
>>
>> "Almost"?
>>
>> If a stream does not contain the stuff, is it still a stream...?...
>>
>> DAS
>
>
> Actually, in my years of toxicology research, i was told that DHMO is
> toxic in large enough quantities...
>
> lw


But you said you were "new at this research thing", didn't you?????

What is under that bridge?

Me thinks I smell a troll.

Dan

Mic, you are so fortunate.. unfortunately, others aren't as fortunate as
you... i am glad your life was saved.. if not i would not have had the
opportunity to discuss and cuss this issue with you and others...

linda

mic canic wrote:
> well i guess you should stay away from a hospital when you get hurt since they
> are just going to give you chemicals to make you better!!!
> i recently had first hand experence of a airbag going off and i can say this for
> sure! it saved my life so what little burn i recieved was well worth it
>
> linda wrote:
>
>
>>http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf10/11590_web.pdf
>>
>>i really have heard of people with major difficulites from the chemical
>>hazards (Sodium Azide, Nitrogen, phosgene) associated with air bags.
>>and if those "airbags are the cure" folks would kindly look at the link
>>i provided above (Federal Register / Vol. 60,November 9, 1995 / Proposed
>>Rules) you will see that they do not talk about any respiratory
>>illnessess associated with the dangerous chemicals. Please also check
>>http://dms.dot.gov/reports/ and do a simple search on air bags, and no
>>where will you find any mention of respiratory illnesses associated with
>>the chemical hazards. Please check your MSDS (Material Safety Data
>>Sheet) for each of these chemicals and see if you think that "the cure
>>hurts a few a little bit".. Just pray to whatever entity you pray to
>>that you are never inflicted with this type of injury. I am assuming
>>that some would prefer a closed casket rather than a respiratory illness
>>to live with a long time...
>>
>>please forgive my harshness, but i am new at this and i am in the
>>process of researching this and would appreciate information that is
>>useful and not blatantly disregarding my honest approaches at trying to
>>help ALL.
>>
>>linda
>>
>>Daniel J. Stern wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Gates wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sometimes the cure hurts a few a little bit. But it saves most people
>>>>that have to use it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Christ, here we go again with another true-believer airbag freak who
>>>hasn't looked at the actual numbers, hasn't seen that statistically one is
>>>safer with a 3-point belt and NO airbag than one is with a 3-point belt
>>>AND an airbag, but nevertheless he's absolutely sure that airbatgs are the
>>>"cure".
>
>

Mic, you are so fortunate.. unfortunately, others aren't as fortunate as
you... i am glad your life was saved.. if not i would not have had the
opportunity to discuss and cuss this issue with you and others...

linda

mic canic wrote:
> well i guess you should stay away from a hospital when you get hurt since they
> are just going to give you chemicals to make you better!!!
> i recently had first hand experence of a airbag going off and i can say this for
> sure! it saved my life so what little burn i recieved was well worth it
>
> linda wrote:
>
>
>>http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf10/11590_web.pdf
>>
>>i really have heard of people with major difficulites from the chemical
>>hazards (Sodium Azide, Nitrogen, phosgene) associated with air bags.
>>and if those "airbags are the cure" folks would kindly look at the link
>>i provided above (Federal Register / Vol. 60,November 9, 1995 / Proposed
>>Rules) you will see that they do not talk about any respiratory
>>illnessess associated with the dangerous chemicals. Please also check
>>http://dms.dot.gov/reports/ and do a simple search on air bags, and no
>>where will you find any mention of respiratory illnesses associated with
>>the chemical hazards. Please check your MSDS (Material Safety Data
>>Sheet) for each of these chemicals and see if you think that "the cure
>>hurts a few a little bit".. Just pray to whatever entity you pray to
>>that you are never inflicted with this type of injury. I am assuming
>>that some would prefer a closed casket rather than a respiratory illness
>>to live with a long time...
>>
>>please forgive my harshness, but i am new at this and i am in the
>>process of researching this and would appreciate information that is
>>useful and not blatantly disregarding my honest approaches at trying to
>>help ALL.
>>
>>linda
>>
>>Daniel J. Stern wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Gates wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sometimes the cure hurts a few a little bit. But it saves most people
>>>>that have to use it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Christ, here we go again with another true-believer airbag freak who
>>>hasn't looked at the actual numbers, hasn't seen that statistically one is
>>>safer with a 3-point belt and NO airbag than one is with a 3-point belt
>>>AND an airbag, but nevertheless he's absolutely sure that airbatgs are the
>>>"cure".
>
>

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Daniel J. Stern wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Dan Gates wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Sometimes the cure hurts a few a little bit. But it saves most people
>>> that have to use it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Christ, here we go again with another true-believer airbag freak who
>> hasn't looked at the actual numbers, hasn't seen that statistically
>> one is
>> safer with a 3-point belt and NO airbag than one is with a 3-point belt
>> AND an airbag, but nevertheless he's absolutely sure that airbatgs are
>> the
>> "cure".
>
>
> And safer still with a five-point harness, a full-face helmet and Nomex
> suit. The reality is that many people don't use their seat belts and
> thus the air bag is what we get.
>
>
> Matt


Matt, i think what you are talking about is more in David's (deadbeat)
area of concern.. might want to talk to him...

lw
>