Jumping car incident

"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:24:46 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:55:57 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On 16 Dec 2005 12:01:04 -0800, "xblazinlv" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Why not just purchase a new battery? Or if you have a battery charger
>>>>>>(or can borrow one from a friend) why not use that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.carforums.net/
>>>>>>Auto Forums
>>>>>
>>>>> He *thinks* he damaged something. IMO, he did nothing but take some
>>>>> charge off the battery.
>>>>>
>>>>> Watch this problem go on for a week before some lightbulb goes on and
>>>>> he charges the battery with a battery charger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lg
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What lighbulb is that LG? the one that applies light to where the sun
>>>>never
>>>>will? Like I said, everything else works. It's your choice to be
>>>>ignorant,
>>>>don't make it everyone else's problem.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am trying to help you Chang, and you are spitting in my face for
>>> trying to do so.
>>>
>>> The starter requires over 200 amperes. That other crap you are
>>> running requires about nothing.
>>>
>>> As a result of your insult to me for offering helpful advice, you will
>>> get no further assistance from yours truly. I will delight in your
>>> problems as they multiply in the culture dish of your ignorance and
>>> arrogance.
>>>
>>> Lg
>>>
>>
>>Wow. Is that a threat or an offer?
>>
>
> You cocksucking slope-headed CHINK, why don't you go back to the
> chinese laundry you were born in. You don't belong in civilization,
> except to starch my shirts.
>

And now you're a bigot too. I thought I'd have to work at character
assasination but apparently you're doing just a fine job of it. Don't make
me mad or I'll have my dad fire you.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:39:35 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
> wrote:

>
>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:24:46 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:55:57 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On 16 Dec 2005 12:01:04 -0800, "xblazinlv" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why not just purchase a new battery? Or if you have a battery charger
>>>>>>>(or can borrow one from a friend) why not use that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.carforums.net/
>>>>>>>Auto Forums
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He *thinks* he damaged something. IMO, he did nothing but take some
>>>>>> charge off the battery.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Watch this problem go on for a week before some lightbulb goes on and
>>>>>> he charges the battery with a battery charger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lg
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What lighbulb is that LG? the one that applies light to where the sun
>>>>>never
>>>>>will? Like I said, everything else works. It's your choice to be
>>>>>ignorant,
>>>>>don't make it everyone else's problem.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to help you Chang, and you are spitting in my face for
>>>> trying to do so.
>>>>
>>>> The starter requires over 200 amperes. That other crap you are
>>>> running requires about nothing.
>>>>
>>>> As a result of your insult to me for offering helpful advice, you will
>>>> get no further assistance from yours truly. I will delight in your
>>>> problems as they multiply in the culture dish of your ignorance and
>>>> arrogance.
>>>>
>>>> Lg
>>>>
>>>
>>>Wow. Is that a threat or an offer?
>>>
>>
>> You cocksucking slope-headed CHINK, why don't you go back to the
>> chinese laundry you were born in. You don't belong in civilization,
>> except to starch my shirts.
>>
>
>And now you're a bigot too. I thought I'd have to work at character
>assasination but apparently you're doing just a fine job of it. Don't make
>me mad or I'll have my dad fire you.

You can't kill a man who is already dead.
BTW, you put too much monosodium glutamate in your food. Don't you
know that isn't healthy?

"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:39:35 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:24:46 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:55:57 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:4686q1pmbm2hcqvaqns3kgp9j0p222ea1o@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On 16 Dec 2005 12:01:04 -0800, "xblazinlv" >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why not just purchase a new battery? Or if you have a battery
>>>>>>>>charger
>>>>>>>>(or can borrow one from a friend) why not use that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.carforums.net/
>>>>>>>>Auto Forums
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He *thinks* he damaged something. IMO, he did nothing but take some
>>>>>>> charge off the battery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Watch this problem go on for a week before some lightbulb goes on
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> he charges the battery with a battery charger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What lighbulb is that LG? the one that applies light to where the sun
>>>>>>never
>>>>>>will? Like I said, everything else works. It's your choice to be
>>>>>>ignorant,
>>>>>>don't make it everyone else's problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to help you Chang, and you are spitting in my face for
>>>>> trying to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> The starter requires over 200 amperes. That other crap you are
>>>>> running requires about nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a result of your insult to me for offering helpful advice, you will
>>>>> get no further assistance from yours truly. I will delight in your
>>>>> problems as they multiply in the culture dish of your ignorance and
>>>>> arrogance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lg
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Wow. Is that a threat or an offer?
>>>>
>>>
>>> You cocksucking slope-headed CHINK, why don't you go back to the
>>> chinese laundry you were born in. You don't belong in civilization,
>>> except to starch my shirts.
>>>
>>
>>And now you're a bigot too. I thought I'd have to work at character
>>assasination but apparently you're doing just a fine job of it. Don't
>>make
>>me mad or I'll have my dad fire you.
>
> You can't kill a man who is already dead.
> BTW, you put too much monosodium glutamate in your food. Don't you
> know that isn't healthy?
>

Hey that's good one!!!

Somehow I fail to see how I should be offended except at the level of
ignorance you continue to show.

"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:39:35 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:24:46 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:55:57 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:4686q1pmbm2hcqvaqns3kgp9j0p222ea1o@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On 16 Dec 2005 12:01:04 -0800, "xblazinlv" >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why not just purchase a new battery? Or if you have a battery
>>>>>>>>charger
>>>>>>>>(or can borrow one from a friend) why not use that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.carforums.net/
>>>>>>>>Auto Forums
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He *thinks* he damaged something. IMO, he did nothing but take some
>>>>>>> charge off the battery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Watch this problem go on for a week before some lightbulb goes on
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> he charges the battery with a battery charger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What lighbulb is that LG? the one that applies light to where the sun
>>>>>>never
>>>>>>will? Like I said, everything else works. It's your choice to be
>>>>>>ignorant,
>>>>>>don't make it everyone else's problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to help you Chang, and you are spitting in my face for
>>>>> trying to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> The starter requires over 200 amperes. That other crap you are
>>>>> running requires about nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a result of your insult to me for offering helpful advice, you will
>>>>> get no further assistance from yours truly. I will delight in your
>>>>> problems as they multiply in the culture dish of your ignorance and
>>>>> arrogance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lg
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Wow. Is that a threat or an offer?
>>>>
>>>
>>> You cocksucking slope-headed CHINK, why don't you go back to the
>>> chinese laundry you were born in. You don't belong in civilization,
>>> except to starch my shirts.
>>>
>>
>>And now you're a bigot too. I thought I'd have to work at character
>>assasination but apparently you're doing just a fine job of it. Don't
>>make
>>me mad or I'll have my dad fire you.
>
> You can't kill a man who is already dead.
> BTW, you put too much monosodium glutamate in your food. Don't you
> know that isn't healthy?
>

I meant to post:

Hey that's good one!!!

Somehow I fail to see how I should be offended except at the level of
intelligence you continue to show.

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:48:40 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
> wrote:

>
>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:39:35 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:24:46 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:55:57 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:4686q1pmbm2hcqvaqns3kgp9j0p222ea1o@4ax .com...
>>>>>>>> On 16 Dec 2005 12:01:04 -0800, "xblazinlv" >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why not just purchase a new battery? Or if you have a battery
>>>>>>>>>charger
>>>>>>>>>(or can borrow one from a friend) why not use that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.carforums.net/
>>>>>>>>>Auto Forums
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He *thinks* he damaged something. IMO, he did nothing but take some
>>>>>>>> charge off the battery.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Watch this problem go on for a week before some lightbulb goes on
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> he charges the battery with a battery charger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What lighbulb is that LG? the one that applies light to where the sun
>>>>>>>never
>>>>>>>will? Like I said, everything else works. It's your choice to be
>>>>>>>ignorant,
>>>>>>>don't make it everyone else's problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to help you Chang, and you are spitting in my face for
>>>>>> trying to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The starter requires over 200 amperes. That other crap you are
>>>>>> running requires about nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a result of your insult to me for offering helpful advice, you will
>>>>>> get no further assistance from yours truly. I will delight in your
>>>>>> problems as they multiply in the culture dish of your ignorance and
>>>>>> arrogance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lg
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Wow. Is that a threat or an offer?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You cocksucking slope-headed CHINK, why don't you go back to the
>>>> chinese laundry you were born in. You don't belong in civilization,
>>>> except to starch my shirts.
>>>>
>>>
>>>And now you're a bigot too. I thought I'd have to work at character
>>>assasination but apparently you're doing just a fine job of it. Don't
>>>make
>>>me mad or I'll have my dad fire you.
>>
>> You can't kill a man who is already dead.
>> BTW, you put too much monosodium glutamate in your food. Don't you
>> know that isn't healthy?
>>
>
>I meant to post:
>
>Hey that's good one!!!
>
>Somehow I fail to see how I should be offended except at the level of
>intelligence you continue to show.
>

You have heard the saying:
"No Good Deed ever goes unpunished"

This is what I get for trying to help.

My mistake.

The next time you're drowning in your own stupidity, I'll just walk
away.

Have fun re-inventing the wheel.

Lg

"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:48:40 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:39:35 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:24:46 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:8bf6q15buqk24dmho86ll4bfgomvc****o@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:55:57 GMT, "Bruce Chang"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:4686q1pmbm2hcqvaqns3kgp9j0p222ea1o@4a x.com...
>>>>>>>>> On 16 Dec 2005 12:01:04 -0800, "xblazinlv" >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Why not just purchase a new battery? Or if you have a battery
>>>>>>>>>>charger
>>>>>>>>>>(or can borrow one from a friend) why not use that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.carforums.net/
>>>>>>>>>>Auto Forums
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He *thinks* he damaged something. IMO, he did nothing but take
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> charge off the battery.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Watch this problem go on for a week before some lightbulb goes on
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> he charges the battery with a battery charger.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What lighbulb is that LG? the one that applies light to where the
>>>>>>>>sun
>>>>>>>>never
>>>>>>>>will? Like I said, everything else works. It's your choice to be
>>>>>>>>ignorant,
>>>>>>>>don't make it everyone else's problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am trying to help you Chang, and you are spitting in my face for
>>>>>>> trying to do so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The starter requires over 200 amperes. That other crap you are
>>>>>>> running requires about nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a result of your insult to me for offering helpful advice, you
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> get no further assistance from yours truly. I will delight in your
>>>>>>> problems as they multiply in the culture dish of your ignorance and
>>>>>>> arrogance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wow. Is that a threat or an offer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You cocksucking slope-headed CHINK, why don't you go back to the
>>>>> chinese laundry you were born in. You don't belong in civilization,
>>>>> except to starch my shirts.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And now you're a bigot too. I thought I'd have to work at character
>>>>assasination but apparently you're doing just a fine job of it. Don't
>>>>make
>>>>me mad or I'll have my dad fire you.
>>>
>>> You can't kill a man who is already dead.
>>> BTW, you put too much monosodium glutamate in your food. Don't you
>>> know that isn't healthy?
>>>
>>
>>I meant to post:
>>
>>Hey that's good one!!!
>>
>>Somehow I fail to see how I should be offended except at the level of
>>intelligence you continue to show.
>>
>
> You have heard the saying:
> "No Good Deed ever goes unpunished"
>
> This is what I get for trying to help.
>
> My mistake.
>
> The next time you're drowning in your own stupidity, I'll just walk
> away.
>
> Have fun re-inventing the wheel.
>
> Lg
>

You never even helped, you just insulted me and my culture. If you think
I'm stupid, go look in a mirror. You're as dumb as rocks and that's an
insult to rocks.

In article > ,
"Bruce Chang" > wrote:

<snip>
> After I had successfully started the car, I was removing the jumper cable
> clamps and by accident shorted the negative to the positive with the clamp.
> The contact was maybe a second. I went to check the car and now the starter
> doesn't click, doesn't do anything. All the gauges come to life, everything
> electrical comes on, even the fuel pump spins to pressurize the system.
>
> Now in theory, I would think if anything happened, maybe the alternator died
> because I just presented it with a short but that wouldn't explain the
> starter not turning over. My best guess is probably a fuseable link has
> been fried but I haven't gotten a chance to take a look at it yet because I
> needed to be somewhere that day so I don't have any diagnosis just yet other
> than the fuses in the dash are good. I'm going to check the starter
> solenoid to see if it's getting 12V when I turn the key and start from there
> but I was wondering if anyone else had any other things to check before I
> dive into it.

What does the dome light do when you attempt to start the engine?
1) Goes out completely?
2) Dims a little?
3) No change in brightness?

A short between posts only allows high current in the shortest
path, i.e., in this case between the battery posts. Nothing
downstream (fuses, fuse links) should have been effected.

I'd remove both battery connections and check if the lead pads on
the battery didn't melt some making for a poor connection that
would support low amperage but not high amperage.

"aarcuda69062" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "Bruce Chang" > wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> After I had successfully started the car, I was removing the jumper cable
>> clamps and by accident shorted the negative to the positive with the
>> clamp.
>> The contact was maybe a second. I went to check the car and now the
>> starter
>> doesn't click, doesn't do anything. All the gauges come to life,
>> everything
>> electrical comes on, even the fuel pump spins to pressurize the system.
>>
>> Now in theory, I would think if anything happened, maybe the alternator
>> died
>> because I just presented it with a short but that wouldn't explain the
>> starter not turning over. My best guess is probably a fuseable link has
>> been fried but I haven't gotten a chance to take a look at it yet because
>> I
>> needed to be somewhere that day so I don't have any diagnosis just yet
>> other
>> than the fuses in the dash are good. I'm going to check the starter
>> solenoid to see if it's getting 12V when I turn the key and start from
>> there
>> but I was wondering if anyone else had any other things to check before I
>> dive into it.
>
> What does the dome light do when you attempt to start the engine?
> 1) Goes out completely?
> 2) Dims a little?
> 3) No change in brightness?
>
> A short between posts only allows high current in the shortest
> path, i.e., in this case between the battery posts. Nothing
> downstream (fuses, fuse links) should have been effected.
>
> I'd remove both battery connections and check if the lead pads on
> the battery didn't melt some making for a poor connection that
> would support low amperage but not high amperage.

Well, the short between the posts could also allow current generated by the
alternator to flow somewhere it's not normally. That's what I was afraid
of. In theory you're right, it should have just zapped the battery but that
doesn't explain why the starter doesn't even make a noise. I'll first check
the fusible links around the starter. I'll check the battery cable
ends/battery posts too, that's a good suggestion. Thanks.

Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:15:37 -0500, Mike Romain >
> wrote:
>
> >Bruce Chang wrote:
> >>
> >> "ed" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > you may to tell these guys the make model and year
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> I meant to do that too but forgot, I apologize
> >>
> >> 1989 Pontiac Firebird.
> >> 305 Tpi
> >
> >The fuse links for that are on the starter solenoid.
>
> How about it rocket scientist.
>
> How the **** does shorting out the B+ and ground on a battery *take
> out* the fusible link to the goddamn starter? Eh?

Well, every time I have seen a boost accident, it takes out something,
normally a fuse link.

The ignition/starter circuit was 'running' when it saw a dead short,
therefore it is 'very' likely the fuse link for that circuit which is
located on a bolt on the starter solenoid that went poof....

I live in Canada where a lot of boosts are given, and I have had to
repair a whole bunch of those fuse links over the years for that very
reason.

I hope Bruce posts the results and fix.

Mike

>
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> >(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:48:08 -0500, Mike Romain >
wrote:

>Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:15:37 -0500, Mike Romain >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Bruce Chang wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "ed" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > you may to tell these guys the make model and year
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I meant to do that too but forgot, I apologize
>> >>
>> >> 1989 Pontiac Firebird.
>> >> 305 Tpi
>> >
>> >The fuse links for that are on the starter solenoid.
>>
>> How about it rocket scientist.
>>
>> How the **** does shorting out the B+ and ground on a battery *take
>> out* the fusible link to the goddamn starter? Eh?

================================================== =======
>Well, every time I have seen a boost accident, it takes out something,
>normally a fuse link.

Now that is interesting, as aarcuda and I reiterated what the OP
posted: that he had only shorted out the battery terminals through the
clamps from the jumper wires. The current would follow the path of
least resistance, that being the short through the cable clamps, not
some *downstream* component that isn't in the short circuit.

>The ignition/starter circuit was 'running' when it saw a dead short,
>therefore it is 'very' likely the fuse link for that circuit which is
>located on a bolt on the starter solenoid that went poof....

How in the world, think about it, or even make a drawing with a pencil
and a piece of paper, would a short =directly= across the battery
terminals involve a fusible link elsewhere in the engine compartment?

>I live in Canada where a lot of boosts are given, and I have had to
>repair a whole bunch of those fuse links over the years for that very
>reason.

This is revolutionary information. We are going to change ohm's law
right here in this n/g.

>I hope Bruce posts the results and fix.

I hope he dies under his own vehicle when it falls of it's jackstands.
Hope springs eternal.

Lg


>Mike
>
>>
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> >Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> >(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)