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  #71  
Old January 16th 05, 06:23 PM
Brent P
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In article >, Dave Head wrote:
> Clumps happen when people drive the same speed.


Which is what you are proposing. Everyone drive the same speed.

> Catch somebody? PASS 'EM!


Passing, lane changes, KRETP, etc you are arguing against.

You hate clumps but argue for the things that cause clumps.


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  #72  
Old January 16th 05, 06:28 PM
Brent P
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In article >, Dave Head wrote:

> Hell, nobody's dealing with the fact that a car at the 90th percentile is going
> to make 1800 lane changes over a long trip that causes him to encounter 2000
> other cars, as opposed to the fact that he'd only make 200 lane changes by
> simply staying left, either.


You're ducking the point. But your 30th percentile driver will get left
and stay left too driving the way you do. Then he finds another 30th
precentile driver in the right lane and a clump is caused.

> A lane change, or _any_ other overt act, carries a possibility of going wrong
> and resulting in an accident. Avoiding accidents is a matter of reducing risk
> wherever possilble. NOT hopping back and forth, back and forth is one of the
> ways...


Being on the road does that. Passing does that. To meet your
requirements, everyone must drive the same speed, which I am sure you
want to pick, and be spread across all lanes. The only way to maintain
road capacity or reduce it as little as possible is cram everyone
together tightly. Which will happen anyway when everyone is limited to
the same speed naturally. You hate clumps but argue for the kind of
driving that creates clumps.

May you only encounter drivers like yourself, but slower. This means
you'll always be in clumps regardless of which lane you choose.


  #73  
Old January 16th 05, 06:28 PM
Brent P
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In article >, Dave Head wrote:

> Hell, nobody's dealing with the fact that a car at the 90th percentile is going
> to make 1800 lane changes over a long trip that causes him to encounter 2000
> other cars, as opposed to the fact that he'd only make 200 lane changes by
> simply staying left, either.


You're ducking the point. But your 30th percentile driver will get left
and stay left too driving the way you do. Then he finds another 30th
precentile driver in the right lane and a clump is caused.

> A lane change, or _any_ other overt act, carries a possibility of going wrong
> and resulting in an accident. Avoiding accidents is a matter of reducing risk
> wherever possilble. NOT hopping back and forth, back and forth is one of the
> ways...


Being on the road does that. Passing does that. To meet your
requirements, everyone must drive the same speed, which I am sure you
want to pick, and be spread across all lanes. The only way to maintain
road capacity or reduce it as little as possible is cram everyone
together tightly. Which will happen anyway when everyone is limited to
the same speed naturally. You hate clumps but argue for the kind of
driving that creates clumps.

May you only encounter drivers like yourself, but slower. This means
you'll always be in clumps regardless of which lane you choose.


  #76  
Old January 16th 05, 06:40 PM
Dave Head
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:28:52 -0600, (Brent
P) wrote:

>In article >, Dave Head wrote:
>
>> Hell, nobody's dealing with the fact that a car at the 90th percentile is going
>> to make 1800 lane changes over a long trip that causes him to encounter 2000
>> other cars, as opposed to the fact that he'd only make 200 lane changes by
>> simply staying left, either.

>
>You're ducking the point. But your 30th percentile driver will get left
>and stay left too driving the way you do.


I can't help that. I wouldn't do it. But if he does, I don't have the least
qualm about passing his ass on the right, without hesitation.

>Then he finds another 30th
>precentile driver in the right lane and a clump is caused.


Only if he slows down to match the other's speed. If he doesn't, he'll go
right on by... unless...

the driver in the right lane speeds up! I accumulate some fininte number of
ducklings in _that_ manner, too. Those I scrape off at the next slower car in
the right lane, tho.

>
>> A lane change, or _any_ other overt act, carries a possibility of going wrong
>> and resulting in an accident. Avoiding accidents is a matter of reducing risk
>> wherever possilble. NOT hopping back and forth, back and forth is one of the
>> ways...

>
>Being on the road does that. Passing does that. To meet your
>requirements, everyone must drive the same speed,


Noooo.... not what I'm advocating at all, no matter how you want to twist it to
suit your argument.

>which I am sure you
>want to pick, and be spread across all lanes. The only way to maintain
>road capacity or reduce it as little as possible is cram everyone
>together tightly.


I'm against that, unless all vehicles are under automatic control, as in a
train, or computerized individual vehicles. Those vehicles are not currently
viable.

>Which will happen anyway when everyone is limited to
>the same speed naturally. You hate clumps but argue for the kind of
>driving that creates clumps.


Nope. You're not understanding - catch someone, pass 'em. If you were fast
enough to catch 'em, you should be fast enough to pass 'em. Don't slow down.

>May you only encounter drivers like yourself, but slower. This means
>you'll always be in clumps regardless of which lane you choose.


Doesn't work that way. I drive so there is always room to pass - I don't
_ever_ drive beside someone else unless there's absolultely no choice - IOW, my
way ahead is blocked. Otherwise, everyone has the opportunity to go around on
the right, which is what I would do to someone driving in that manner that I
caught.

  #77  
Old January 16th 05, 06:40 PM
Dave Head
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:28:52 -0600, (Brent
P) wrote:

>In article >, Dave Head wrote:
>
>> Hell, nobody's dealing with the fact that a car at the 90th percentile is going
>> to make 1800 lane changes over a long trip that causes him to encounter 2000
>> other cars, as opposed to the fact that he'd only make 200 lane changes by
>> simply staying left, either.

>
>You're ducking the point. But your 30th percentile driver will get left
>and stay left too driving the way you do.


I can't help that. I wouldn't do it. But if he does, I don't have the least
qualm about passing his ass on the right, without hesitation.

>Then he finds another 30th
>precentile driver in the right lane and a clump is caused.


Only if he slows down to match the other's speed. If he doesn't, he'll go
right on by... unless...

the driver in the right lane speeds up! I accumulate some fininte number of
ducklings in _that_ manner, too. Those I scrape off at the next slower car in
the right lane, tho.

>
>> A lane change, or _any_ other overt act, carries a possibility of going wrong
>> and resulting in an accident. Avoiding accidents is a matter of reducing risk
>> wherever possilble. NOT hopping back and forth, back and forth is one of the
>> ways...

>
>Being on the road does that. Passing does that. To meet your
>requirements, everyone must drive the same speed,


Noooo.... not what I'm advocating at all, no matter how you want to twist it to
suit your argument.

>which I am sure you
>want to pick, and be spread across all lanes. The only way to maintain
>road capacity or reduce it as little as possible is cram everyone
>together tightly.


I'm against that, unless all vehicles are under automatic control, as in a
train, or computerized individual vehicles. Those vehicles are not currently
viable.

>Which will happen anyway when everyone is limited to
>the same speed naturally. You hate clumps but argue for the kind of
>driving that creates clumps.


Nope. You're not understanding - catch someone, pass 'em. If you were fast
enough to catch 'em, you should be fast enough to pass 'em. Don't slow down.

>May you only encounter drivers like yourself, but slower. This means
>you'll always be in clumps regardless of which lane you choose.


Doesn't work that way. I drive so there is always room to pass - I don't
_ever_ drive beside someone else unless there's absolultely no choice - IOW, my
way ahead is blocked. Otherwise, everyone has the opportunity to go around on
the right, which is what I would do to someone driving in that manner that I
caught.

  #78  
Old January 17th 05, 01:47 AM
Jim Yanik
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Dave Head > wrote in
:

> On 15 Jan 2005 03:33:18 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>
>>Dave Head > wrote in
m:
>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:13:58 -0500, Nate Nagel >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dave Head wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> and those of the others as I move back into the right lane, or stay
>>>>> left, and let 200 other cars (that probably shouldn't be going that
>>>>> fast anyway),which I
>>>>
>>>>that ain't your call to make, unless you're a cop.
>>>
>>> Just glossed right over the numbers that have an extra 1800 lane
>>> changes being performed on a 2000 mile trip for no good reason other
>>> than to satisfy an archaic notion and/or religious treatment of the
>>> subject.

>>
>>
>>
>>Archaic only in your mind.

>
> Still sidestepped the numbers
>
>


"your" "numbers".(fictional,I suspect)

Still just your rationalization for not following law and safe driving
practices. Even the Euros believe in KRETP.

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  #79  
Old January 17th 05, 01:47 AM
Jim Yanik
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Dave Head > wrote in
:

> On 15 Jan 2005 03:33:18 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>
>>Dave Head > wrote in
m:
>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:13:58 -0500, Nate Nagel >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dave Head wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> and those of the others as I move back into the right lane, or stay
>>>>> left, and let 200 other cars (that probably shouldn't be going that
>>>>> fast anyway),which I
>>>>
>>>>that ain't your call to make, unless you're a cop.
>>>
>>> Just glossed right over the numbers that have an extra 1800 lane
>>> changes being performed on a 2000 mile trip for no good reason other
>>> than to satisfy an archaic notion and/or religious treatment of the
>>> subject.

>>
>>
>>
>>Archaic only in your mind.

>
> Still sidestepped the numbers
>
>


"your" "numbers".(fictional,I suspect)

Still just your rationalization for not following law and safe driving
practices. Even the Euros believe in KRETP.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
 




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