Are they goners? Pictures of car brands on life support

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10549128...feSupport_2006

On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:27:34 -0700, WoodBee wrote:

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10549128...feSupport_2006

Who knows? Usually you're just one hit away from big success. Chrysler, in
the 80's was on life support before the K-car came out. If they made it
with such a lousy car anyone can!

On Wed, 24 May 2006 13:01:11 -0500, Box134 > wrote:

>On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:27:34 -0700, WoodBee wrote:
>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10549128...feSupport_2006
>
> Who knows? Usually you're just one hit away from big success. Chrysler, in
>the 80's was on life support before the K-car came out. If they made it
>with such a lousy car anyone can!


Only two things helped Dodge survive the 90's, The purchase of the
sucessful Jeep line in 89 and the use of the Cummins in their HD
pickups. Without them, Chysler would have likely faded away.
-----------------
The SnoMan
www.thesnoman.com

The loan from the US government allowed them to keep things going. Then the
K-car and the first 7 year/70K mile warranty are what allowed Chrysler to
generate the cash to design the Minivan and then purchase Jeep.

Bob

"SnoMan" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 24 May 2006 13:01:11 -0500, Box134 > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:27:34 -0700, WoodBee wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10549128...feSupport_2006
>>
>> Who knows? Usually you're just one hit away from big success. Chrysler,
>> in
>>the 80's was on life support before the K-car came out. If they made it
>>with such a lousy car anyone can!
>
>
> Only two things helped Dodge survive the 90's, The purchase of the
> sucessful Jeep line in 89 and the use of the Cummins in their HD
> pickups. Without them, Chysler would have likely faded away.
> -----------------
> The SnoMan
> www.thesnoman.com

On Thu, 25 May 2006 22:03:26 GMT, "Bob Shuman"
> wrote:

>The loan from the US government allowed them to keep things going. Then the
>K-car and the first 7 year/70K mile warranty are what allowed Chrysler to
>generate the cash to design the Minivan and then purchase Jeep.


THis is true but without the Jeep purchase and the CTD, they would
have faded back away in 90's and likely would be worse of today if
they had not been bought out too.
-----------------
The SnoMan
www.thesnoman.com

I vote minivan sales.

I think they came out with the first and probably best in initial quality.
Afterall that's what keeps a car company alive, the people that come in and
buy a new car every two years not people like me that find a car they like
and drive it until it dies or no longer meets their needs.
Anyone that holds onto a Caravan past 100,000km (think transmission here
people) probably won't be real impressed unless they baby it and keep up on
the maintenance.

"SnoMan" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 25 May 2006 22:03:26 GMT, "Bob Shuman"
> > wrote:
>
>>The loan from the US government allowed them to keep things going. Then
>>the
>>K-car and the first 7 year/70K mile warranty are what allowed Chrysler to
>>generate the cash to design the Minivan and then purchase Jeep.
>
>
> THis is true but without the Jeep purchase and the CTD, they would
> have faded back away in 90's and likely would be worse of today if
> they had not been bought out too.
> -----------------
> The SnoMan
> www.thesnoman.com

On Sat, 27 May 2006 02:03:50 GMT, "Roy" <crawroy @ nbnet.nb.ca>
wrote:

>I vote minivan sales.
>
>I think they came out with the first and probably best in initial quality.
>Afterall that's what keeps a car company alive, the people that come in and
>buy a new car every two years not people like me that find a car they like
>and drive it until it dies or no longer meets their needs.
>Anyone that holds onto a Caravan past 100,000km (think transmission here
>people) probably won't be real impressed unless they baby it and keep up on
>the maintenance.


I do agree that minivan sales did help too but it was not enough to
carry them alone and mini vans have been dying slowly since mid 90's
as the SUV craze took over. Kinda said because they are more fuel
efficent than SUV today and likely safer overall too.
-----------------
The SnoMan
www.thesnoman.com

This is all related since the original Chrysler Minivan (1984 model year I
think) was based on the K-car's frame and power train (2.5L transverse
mounted 4 cylinder and 3 speed transaxle).

Bob

"Roy" <crawroy @ nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
...
>I vote minivan sales.
>
> I think they came out with the first and probably best in initial quality.
> Afterall that's what keeps a car company alive, the people that come in
> and buy a new car every two years not people like me that find a car they
> like and drive it until it dies or no longer meets their needs.
> Anyone that holds onto a Caravan past 100,000km (think transmission here
> people) probably won't be real impressed unless they baby it and keep up
> on the maintenance.
>
> "SnoMan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 25 May 2006 22:03:26 GMT, "Bob Shuman"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>The loan from the US government allowed them to keep things going. Then
>>>the
>>>K-car and the first 7 year/70K mile warranty are what allowed Chrysler to
>>>generate the cash to design the Minivan and then purchase Jeep.
>>
>>
>> THis is true but without the Jeep purchase and the CTD, they would
>> have faded back away in 90's and likely would be worse of today if
>> they had not been bought out too.
>> -----------------
>> The SnoMan
>> www.thesnoman.com
>
>

Yes, I think the K-car was a turning point and it definitely revived the
company but if they hadn't decided to expand the Omni/Horizon into a van I
think they would have lost a lot of momentum by the end of the 80's.
"Bob Shuman" > wrote in message
.com...
> This is all related since the original Chrysler Minivan (1984 model year I
> think) was based on the K-car's frame and power train (2.5L transverse
> mounted 4 cylinder and 3 speed transaxle).
>
> Bob
>
> "Roy" <crawroy @ nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
> ...
>>I vote minivan sales.
>>
>> I think they came out with the first and probably best in initial
>> quality. Afterall that's what keeps a car company alive, the people that
>> come in and buy a new car every two years not people like me that find a
>> car they like and drive it until it dies or no longer meets their needs.
>> Anyone that holds onto a Caravan past 100,000km (think transmission here
>> people) probably won't be real impressed unless they baby it and keep up
>> on the maintenance.
>>
>> "SnoMan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thu, 25 May 2006 22:03:26 GMT, "Bob Shuman"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>The loan from the US government allowed them to keep things going. Then
>>>>the
>>>>K-car and the first 7 year/70K mile warranty are what allowed Chrysler
>>>>to
>>>>generate the cash to design the Minivan and then purchase Jeep.
>>>
>>>
>>> THis is true but without the Jeep purchase and the CTD, they would
>>> have faded back away in 90's and likely would be worse of today if
>>> they had not been bought out too.
>>> -----------------
>>> The SnoMan
>>> www.thesnoman.com
>>
>>
>
>

Side note, The Omni with 2.2L engine was one of my favorite small cars. I
also had a 1977 Oldsmobile Delta 88 coupe with a 350 just after the Omni.
Bit of a difference in fuel economy but about the same acceleration.
"Roy" <crawroy @ nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
...
> Yes, I think the K-car was a turning point and it definitely revived the
> company but if they hadn't decided to expand the Omni/Horizon into a van I
> think they would have lost a lot of momentum by the end of the 80's.
> "Bob Shuman" > wrote in message
> .com...
>> This is all related since the original Chrysler Minivan (1984 model year
>> I think) was based on the K-car's frame and power train (2.5L transverse
>> mounted 4 cylinder and 3 speed transaxle).
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> "Roy" <crawroy @ nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I vote minivan sales.
>>>
>>> I think they came out with the first and probably best in initial
>>> quality. Afterall that's what keeps a car company alive, the people that
>>> come in and buy a new car every two years not people like me that find a
>>> car they like and drive it until it dies or no longer meets their needs.
>>> Anyone that holds onto a Caravan past 100,000km (think transmission here
>>> people) probably won't be real impressed unless they baby it and keep up
>>> on the maintenance.
>>>
>>> "SnoMan" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 25 May 2006 22:03:26 GMT, "Bob Shuman"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The loan from the US government allowed them to keep things going.
>>>>>Then the
>>>>>K-car and the first 7 year/70K mile warranty are what allowed Chrysler
>>>>>to
>>>>>generate the cash to design the Minivan and then purchase Jeep.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> THis is true but without the Jeep purchase and the CTD, they would
>>>> have faded back away in 90's and likely would be worse of today if
>>>> they had not been bought out too.
>>>> -----------------
>>>> The SnoMan
>>>> www.thesnoman.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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