air bag injuries due to propellant chemicals

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Bill Putney wrote:

> You've conveniently left out one other factor that absolutely trumps our
> opinions (mine and yours) and experiences (mine and yours). And I know
> you don't like to hear that. And that's OK. Either one of us can "win"
> a verbal discussion/argument, but ultimately it's reality that wins
> regardless of who "bested" the other. We both make our choices and
> "live" with the consequences - good and bad - whatever they may be.

There is very little objective reality in the world, Bill. You're
perceptive enough to know that, even if you choose not to believe it. But
y'know, the fact we're even having this debate is an excellent sign.
Gandhi, who was very knowledgeable in such matters, enumerated the stages
of social-change issues thus: "First they ignore you, then they ridicule
and denounce you, then they debate you, then you win."

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Bill Putney wrote:
>
>
>>You've conveniently left out one other factor that absolutely trumps our
>>opinions (mine and yours) and experiences (mine and yours). And I know
>>you don't like to hear that. And that's OK. Either one of us can "win"
>>a verbal discussion/argument, but ultimately it's reality that wins
>>regardless of who "bested" the other. We both make our choices and
>>"live" with the consequences - good and bad - whatever they may be.
>
>
> There is very little objective reality in the world, Bill. You're
> perceptive enough to know that, even if you choose not to believe it.

There's much more than you realize (that's my reality).

> But
> y'know, the fact we're even having this debate is an excellent sign.
> Gandhi, who was very knowledgeable in such matters, enumerated the stages
> of social-change issues thus: "First they ignore you, then they ridicule
> and denounce you, then they debate you, then you win."

So who's Gandhi in this discussion - me or you? (rhetorical question)

Time for a group hug. 8^)

Bill Putney
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Bill Putney wrote:
>
>
>>You've conveniently left out one other factor that absolutely trumps our
>>opinions (mine and yours) and experiences (mine and yours). And I know
>>you don't like to hear that. And that's OK. Either one of us can "win"
>>a verbal discussion/argument, but ultimately it's reality that wins
>>regardless of who "bested" the other. We both make our choices and
>>"live" with the consequences - good and bad - whatever they may be.
>
>
> There is very little objective reality in the world, Bill. You're
> perceptive enough to know that, even if you choose not to believe it.

There's much more than you realize (that's my reality).

> But
> y'know, the fact we're even having this debate is an excellent sign.
> Gandhi, who was very knowledgeable in such matters, enumerated the stages
> of social-change issues thus: "First they ignore you, then they ridicule
> and denounce you, then they debate you, then you win."

So who's Gandhi in this discussion - me or you? (rhetorical question)

Time for a group hug. 8^)

Bill Putney
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adddress with the letter 'x')


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Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, linda wrote:
>
>
>>Daniel, i am sorry, i am not helping any am i?
>
>
> You're not hurting anything or anyone, that I've seen.
>
> Though an outside observer might guess otherwise, I harbour no particular
> ill will towards Bill himself. He's only behaving as he's been taught to
> behave.

Oh yes - let's pity poor brainless Bill who only repeats what somone
else tells him! You know me better than that. It's that kind of
pseudo-intellectual elitist attitude that explains why the DNC is in
absolute disarray right now - thanks to Michael Moore, George Soros,
Terry McAuliffe, James Carville... the list is so long.

> The ill will I harbor is towards a willfully-stupid human race that cannot
> see the intrinsic ridiculousness in civilly or belligerently codifying and
> enforcing upon others any particular provisions of an individual's own
> chosen religion, given the existence of countless religions each claiming
> to be the one and only true, real, genuine and valid way of life.

Well we can agree on that. Ultimately there will be a resolution to all
of it. When it's all over with, it will be obvious that the answers
were in front of us the whole time. We willingly chose to not see them.
The problem that the human race has is that it assumes that the lack
of *immediate* consequences indicates *no* consequences. "Hey - if God
disapproved so much with what I'm doing, I'd be dead by now, so it must
be OK." "Hey - I put my hand on that red hot burner, and it didn't hurt
me - those *******s - they lied to me!"

Bill Putney
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adddress with the letter 'x')


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Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, linda wrote:
>
>
>>Daniel, i am sorry, i am not helping any am i?
>
>
> You're not hurting anything or anyone, that I've seen.
>
> Though an outside observer might guess otherwise, I harbour no particular
> ill will towards Bill himself. He's only behaving as he's been taught to
> behave.

Oh yes - let's pity poor brainless Bill who only repeats what somone
else tells him! You know me better than that. It's that kind of
pseudo-intellectual elitist attitude that explains why the DNC is in
absolute disarray right now - thanks to Michael Moore, George Soros,
Terry McAuliffe, James Carville... the list is so long.

> The ill will I harbor is towards a willfully-stupid human race that cannot
> see the intrinsic ridiculousness in civilly or belligerently codifying and
> enforcing upon others any particular provisions of an individual's own
> chosen religion, given the existence of countless religions each claiming
> to be the one and only true, real, genuine and valid way of life.

Well we can agree on that. Ultimately there will be a resolution to all
of it. When it's all over with, it will be obvious that the answers
were in front of us the whole time. We willingly chose to not see them.
The problem that the human race has is that it assumes that the lack
of *immediate* consequences indicates *no* consequences. "Hey - if God
disapproved so much with what I'm doing, I'd be dead by now, so it must
be OK." "Hey - I put my hand on that red hot burner, and it didn't hurt
me - those *******s - they lied to me!"

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')


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linda wrote:
> Daniel J. Stern wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, linda wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Daniel, i am sorry, i am not helping any am i?
>>
>>
>>
>> You're not hurting anything or anyone, that I've seen.
>>
>> Though an outside observer might guess otherwise, I harbour no particular
>> ill will towards Bill himself. He's only behaving as he's been taught to
>> behave.
>>
>> The ill will I harbor is towards a willfully-stupid human race that
>> cannot
>> see the intrinsic ridiculousness in civilly or belligerently codifying
>> and
>> enforcing upon others any particular provisions of an individual's own
>> chosen religion, given the existence of countless religions each claiming
>> to be the one and only true, real, genuine and valid way of life.
>>
>> DS
>
>
> you are truly an exceptional person Daniel... absolutely a wonderful
> find in a human being. i am proud to have had this opportunitiy to get
> to know you a bit... thank you for that opportunity..... and thank you
> for being genuine, real, honest, and most of all nice....

ROFL. You guys should really have a get-together. I mean, seriously...

>
> linda
Ulf

linda wrote:
> Daniel J. Stern wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, linda wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Daniel, i am sorry, i am not helping any am i?
>>
>>
>>
>> You're not hurting anything or anyone, that I've seen.
>>
>> Though an outside observer might guess otherwise, I harbour no particular
>> ill will towards Bill himself. He's only behaving as he's been taught to
>> behave.
>>
>> The ill will I harbor is towards a willfully-stupid human race that
>> cannot
>> see the intrinsic ridiculousness in civilly or belligerently codifying
>> and
>> enforcing upon others any particular provisions of an individual's own
>> chosen religion, given the existence of countless religions each claiming
>> to be the one and only true, real, genuine and valid way of life.
>>
>> DS
>
>
> you are truly an exceptional person Daniel... absolutely a wonderful
> find in a human being. i am proud to have had this opportunitiy to get
> to know you a bit... thank you for that opportunity..... and thank you
> for being genuine, real, honest, and most of all nice....

ROFL. You guys should really have a get-together. I mean, seriously...

>
> linda
Ulf

041105 1631 - linda posted:

> I have been talking to David off the group and i want to take this
> opportunity to apologize to him for thinking that he sent me two virus'.
> he assures me that he did not, and i am the kind that believes him. i
> apologize to the entire group. i apologize especially to David... David,
> if you can forgive my thinking you did send me the virus', i would be so
> grateful. if not, i can completely understand.
>
> i would like to start over with you, David and anyone i have offended.
> i started out with a topic of my interest, not any reasoning except what
> i realize now is a futile attempt to help, and ended up with all the
> garbage.. this is not what the newsgroup was intended for.. i will try
> to find another forum for my interest (research) and leave you kind
> folks alone...
>
> I sincerely apologize over and over again David. and group...
>
> linda

No apologies necessary. These NewGroups mostly have one thing in common:
They usually start out with a simple, innocent query, or some information,
then diffuse into a myriad of subjects which the viewer can either accept or
reject. One must learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.

041105 1631 - linda posted:

> I have been talking to David off the group and i want to take this
> opportunity to apologize to him for thinking that he sent me two virus'.
> he assures me that he did not, and i am the kind that believes him. i
> apologize to the entire group. i apologize especially to David... David,
> if you can forgive my thinking you did send me the virus', i would be so
> grateful. if not, i can completely understand.
>
> i would like to start over with you, David and anyone i have offended.
> i started out with a topic of my interest, not any reasoning except what
> i realize now is a futile attempt to help, and ended up with all the
> garbage.. this is not what the newsgroup was intended for.. i will try
> to find another forum for my interest (research) and leave you kind
> folks alone...
>
> I sincerely apologize over and over again David. and group...
>
> linda

No apologies necessary. These NewGroups mostly have one thing in common:
They usually start out with a simple, innocent query, or some information,
then diffuse into a myriad of subjects which the viewer can either accept or
reject. One must learn to separate the wheat from the chaff.

041105 1936 - linda posted:

> Daniel J. Stern wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, Bill Putney wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> God loves the sinner but hates the sin.
>>
>>
>>>> If the "sin" (i.e., "abomination before the LORD") is wearing garments of
>>>> mixed fiber content, or a widower remarrying, or eating shellfish, or any
>>>> of the many other "abominations before the LORD" mentioned in The Bible,
>>>> those get a free pass from God -- just ask Bill.
>>
>>
>>> If you can show me where those things are said and apply to me, then I
>>> will consider them.
>>
>>
>> D'you seek to find out political candidates' stances on shellfish,
>> widower-remarrying, mixed-fiber garments, and so forth? Would you care one
>> way or the other if a Presidential candidate (or a schoolboard candidate,
>> for that matter) said he was strongly in favor of a constitutional
>> amendment banning marriages between widowers and new wives?
>>
>> ...and yet, let the topic be your one little particular "sin", and it
>> suddenly becomes all important (and God-driven) to you.
>
> like the title says, loving someone is not a sin..
>>
>>
>>>> God wants morally-clean Americans to pass laws against icky women (100
>>>> years ago) icky brown people (50 years ago) icky gay people (today) --
>>>> says so right in The Bible. God wants Palestinians to blow themselves
>>>> up and kill people.
>>>
>>> Am I supposed to be feeling guilty about something here
>>
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>
>>> You don't have to guess. The answers are available.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, yeah, I know. The cookbook approach to life.
>
> The Bible is a holy scripture, written by mortal men..
> (oxymoron?hmmmm)... however i believe in a God that loves everyone.
> even those that have PREDILECTIONS (excuse me, i couldn't resist,
> Ted....;-) )

If you believe that it is God that loves everyone, you are mistaken. It was
Jesus who preached this particular gospel.