Removing RTV from Paint

Screw you! You haven't added a thing to this group, you're just
another anonymous coward!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

bllsht wrote:
>
> He wasn't there calling you an a**hole or a troll, even though you were wrong.
>
> Grow up.

Screw you! You haven't added a thing to this group, you're just
another anonymous coward!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

bllsht wrote:
>
> He wasn't there calling you an a**hole or a troll, even though you were wrong.
>
> Grow up.

Who needs Soap Opera's with this going on.

You guys are all best off ending this thread.

Nobody's about to go anywhere near the other to 'settle' anything and this
will just end up being a marathon flame thread.



"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Screw you! You haven't added a thing to this group, you're just
> another anonymous coward!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> bllsht wrote:
>>
>> He wasn't there calling you an a**hole or a troll, even though you were
>> wrong.
>>
>> Grow up.

Who needs Soap Opera's with this going on.

You guys are all best off ending this thread.

Nobody's about to go anywhere near the other to 'settle' anything and this
will just end up being a marathon flame thread.



"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Screw you! You haven't added a thing to this group, you're just
> another anonymous coward!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> bllsht wrote:
>>
>> He wasn't there calling you an a**hole or a troll, even though you were
>> wrong.
>>
>> Grow up.

Mike, just shut the f&^k up!

You and Bill have made complete idiots of yourselves and destryed your
credibility with me and others. I was attacked as a troll and am now called
a liar after asking a simple question, you can't rationalize your way out of
what you did. I resent it and so do the others on this NG.

"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
>I will break it down simple this time....
>
> Quote:
>
> So far I've got "nothing", fingers, erasers, old credit cards, alcohol
> and gasoline. Something has to work!
>
> End quote.
>
> This means:
>
> So far I've got "nothing", (a comma means Pause) fingers, erasers, old
> credit cards, alcohol and gasoline. Something has to work!
>
> That is how I read it, that is how Bill read it, that is how Roy read
> it, that is how Snow read it and that is how Paul read it because we
> 'all' came back with other suggestions of what you might have there
> 'other' than RTV.
>
> What, did you think we all were fools or something?
>
> If I had of thought for one second that you 'hadn't' tried the
> suggestions yet, I certainly wouldn't have continued insisting that 'You
> cannot have RTV there'. Why in the world would I or the rest of the
> folks for that matter say that? I would have left the thread totally
> alone until you had tried my suggestions. It would have made no sense
> to continue.
>
> I have been working professionally with silicones since the 70's and
> know for sure how to remove the excess.
>
> I should have called you on it immediately instead of being so damn
> polite and the misunderstanding wouldn't have continued but I didn't
> really want to get mixed up in Bill's troll post. Bill had reason to
> call you because he read your post the same as I did.
>
> I honestly figured at that point you were just fishing for ammo to try
> and get a free paint job from some 4x4 shop. Really.
>
> And if you hadn't intentionally tried to start another Off Topic diesel
> flamefest with pointed insults to me about this thread, I wouldn't have
> gone looking you up to find out where I insulted you in the past and
> called your BS on this thread. I never would have come back here seeing
> as you got it resolved. I just would have filed you away in my mind as
> 'chicken little' from 'the sky is falling' fame when reading future
> posts from you and left it at that.
>
> So sorry bud, but your typing lied. You say your intent was otherwise
> and I have no reason to disbelieve you but you certainly didn't jump in
> to correct my misinterpretation except to say 'it is so RTV'....
>
> If you had of written it:
>
> So far I've got: "nothing", fingers, erasers, old credit cards, alcohol
> and gasoline. Something has to work!
>
> Or even:
>
> So far I've got, "nothing", fingers, erasers, old credit cards, alcohol
> and gasoline. Something has to work!
>
> There would have been no misunderstanding.
>
> Instead you chose to insult me over it.
>
> Mike
>
> SoK66 wrote:
>>
>> "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > Bud, you played 'Chicken Little' and lied off the bat on this thread. <
>>
>> No, Mike, I did not, I asked an honest question. For my trouble, Bill
>> imediately called me a troll for no reason, then you went to attack mode
>> in
>> due fashion.
>>
>> > That is why Bill called you a Troll, he was right and spotted it.>
>>
>> He was wrong and at least has had the good sense to shut up about it. You
>> apprently are very immature and can't stop until you get the last word.
>>
>> > I was really patient and tried to walk you threw it slowly figuring you
>> > were some 16 year old with his first Jeep or something, only to have
>> > you
>> > come back and call me 'condescending.'>
>>
>> You weren't patient, you insisted what I had was "not RTV", despite my
>> twice
>> telling you that it was. I knew it was RTV because the installer at
>> Avalance
>> told me what he used. What was I supposed to do, mail you a friggin'
>> sample?
>>
>> > Here is your lie quoted:>
>>
>> > Thanks everyone for your feedback. So far I've got "nothing", fingers,
>> > erasers, old credit cards, alcohol and gasoline. Something has to work!
>> >
>> > End quote.
>> >
>> > This means to me anyway, you have tried all the above and nothing.....>
>>
>> No, Mike, once again you shot from the hip. You have attempted to twist
>> everything around I wrote, you've called me a liar an and I really resent
>> it.
>>
>> What I clearly meant was 1) thank you to everyone who responded, 2) I now
>> had a list of suggestions I could try, including doing "nothing".
>> "Something
>> has to work!" meant that with all those kindly offered suggestions I was
>> certain to have an answer to my problem. Indeed, one respondent said
>> nothing
>> would work without damaging the paint. No one but you, not even Bill,
>> misinterpreted what I meant.
>>
>> Over the next few days I tried all of the suggestions, which meant I ran
>> out
>> and bought 3M Adhesive Remover, a 3M Stripe Remover wheel, etc. In the
>> end
>> your suggestion to use gasoline worked and I thanked you, along with
>> everyone else for their suggestions.
>>
>> > This is in response to me saying: 'Maybe an eraser? If it 'is' RTV,
>> > it
>> > will rub off with your finger. An old credit card works. You can also
>> > get
>> > a liquid gasket remover stuff that is supposed to dissolve it. Gasoline
>> > will dissolve it, but it takes a little while.'>
>>
>> > End quote.
>> >
>> > Then I came back and said: 'Then you don't have RTV there'..
>> >
>> > Bill said the same, Roy figured the same, Snow figured the same, Paul
>> > figured the same.
>> >
>> > If you had of just told the truth that you never tried squat, instead
>> > you
>> > just were too busy complaining, we wouldn't be having this exchange
>> > right
>> > now.>
>>
>> You misunderstood my response & then have the audacity to call me a liar,
>> that's pretty low, Mike!
>>
>> > Then when I insist on still politely calling your bull ****, by saying
>> > once again: 'I will say again. You 'cannot' have RTV there!' <
>>
>> And, Mr. Shoot-From-The-Lip, you were wrong. I was not "bull****ting", at
>> that point I was at a stage where nothing that I'd tried so far that had
>> been suggested worked. As I explained, for safety reasons I hadn't yet
>> tried
>> your suggestion to use gasoline, for obvious safety concerns.
>>
>> >Then 'you' call 'me' condescending and a know it all.<
>>
>> Because you were.
>>
>> > All this BS because you told us a lie.<
>>
>> You have a lot of nerve, Mike, to call me a liar for absolutely no reason
>> other than to justify your own inappropriate behavior. I really resent
>> it.
>>
>> > I will leave this alone now, hopefully you get the point.<
>>
>> I sure do, you've behaved inappropriately, you can't admit you're wrong,
>> you've insulted me repeatedly and I now have a totally different opinion
>> of
>> you than I've had for some time. That probably won't change. You can
>> start
>> with an apology.

Mike, just shut the f&^k up!

You and Bill have made complete idiots of yourselves and destryed your
credibility with me and others. I was attacked as a troll and am now called
a liar after asking a simple question, you can't rationalize your way out of
what you did. I resent it and so do the others on this NG.

"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
>I will break it down simple this time....
>
> Quote:
>
> So far I've got "nothing", fingers, erasers, old credit cards, alcohol
> and gasoline. Something has to work!
>
> End quote.
>
> This means:
>
> So far I've got "nothing", (a comma means Pause) fingers, erasers, old
> credit cards, alcohol and gasoline. Something has to work!
>
> That is how I read it, that is how Bill read it, that is how Roy read
> it, that is how Snow read it and that is how Paul read it because we
> 'all' came back with other suggestions of what you might have there
> 'other' than RTV.
>
> What, did you think we all were fools or something?
>
> If I had of thought for one second that you 'hadn't' tried the
> suggestions yet, I certainly wouldn't have continued insisting that 'You
> cannot have RTV there'. Why in the world would I or the rest of the
> folks for that matter say that? I would have left the thread totally
> alone until you had tried my suggestions. It would have made no sense
> to continue.
>
> I have been working professionally with silicones since the 70's and
> know for sure how to remove the excess.
>
> I should have called you on it immediately instead of being so damn
> polite and the misunderstanding wouldn't have continued but I didn't
> really want to get mixed up in Bill's troll post. Bill had reason to
> call you because he read your post the same as I did.
>
> I honestly figured at that point you were just fishing for ammo to try
> and get a free paint job from some 4x4 shop. Really.
>
> And if you hadn't intentionally tried to start another Off Topic diesel
> flamefest with pointed insults to me about this thread, I wouldn't have
> gone looking you up to find out where I insulted you in the past and
> called your BS on this thread. I never would have come back here seeing
> as you got it resolved. I just would have filed you away in my mind as
> 'chicken little' from 'the sky is falling' fame when reading future
> posts from you and left it at that.
>
> So sorry bud, but your typing lied. You say your intent was otherwise
> and I have no reason to disbelieve you but you certainly didn't jump in
> to correct my misinterpretation except to say 'it is so RTV'....
>
> If you had of written it:
>
> So far I've got: "nothing", fingers, erasers, old credit cards, alcohol
> and gasoline. Something has to work!
>
> Or even:
>
> So far I've got, "nothing", fingers, erasers, old credit cards, alcohol
> and gasoline. Something has to work!
>
> There would have been no misunderstanding.
>
> Instead you chose to insult me over it.
>
> Mike
>
> SoK66 wrote:
>>
>> "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > Bud, you played 'Chicken Little' and lied off the bat on this thread. <
>>
>> No, Mike, I did not, I asked an honest question. For my trouble, Bill
>> imediately called me a troll for no reason, then you went to attack mode
>> in
>> due fashion.
>>
>> > That is why Bill called you a Troll, he was right and spotted it.>
>>
>> He was wrong and at least has had the good sense to shut up about it. You
>> apprently are very immature and can't stop until you get the last word.
>>
>> > I was really patient and tried to walk you threw it slowly figuring you
>> > were some 16 year old with his first Jeep or something, only to have
>> > you
>> > come back and call me 'condescending.'>
>>
>> You weren't patient, you insisted what I had was "not RTV", despite my
>> twice
>> telling you that it was. I knew it was RTV because the installer at
>> Avalance
>> told me what he used. What was I supposed to do, mail you a friggin'
>> sample?
>>
>> > Here is your lie quoted:>
>>
>> > Thanks everyone for your feedback. So far I've got "nothing", fingers,
>> > erasers, old credit cards, alcohol and gasoline. Something has to work!
>> >
>> > End quote.
>> >
>> > This means to me anyway, you have tried all the above and nothing.....>
>>
>> No, Mike, once again you shot from the hip. You have attempted to twist
>> everything around I wrote, you've called me a liar an and I really resent
>> it.
>>
>> What I clearly meant was 1) thank you to everyone who responded, 2) I now
>> had a list of suggestions I could try, including doing "nothing".
>> "Something
>> has to work!" meant that with all those kindly offered suggestions I was
>> certain to have an answer to my problem. Indeed, one respondent said
>> nothing
>> would work without damaging the paint. No one but you, not even Bill,
>> misinterpreted what I meant.
>>
>> Over the next few days I tried all of the suggestions, which meant I ran
>> out
>> and bought 3M Adhesive Remover, a 3M Stripe Remover wheel, etc. In the
>> end
>> your suggestion to use gasoline worked and I thanked you, along with
>> everyone else for their suggestions.
>>
>> > This is in response to me saying: 'Maybe an eraser? If it 'is' RTV,
>> > it
>> > will rub off with your finger. An old credit card works. You can also
>> > get
>> > a liquid gasket remover stuff that is supposed to dissolve it. Gasoline
>> > will dissolve it, but it takes a little while.'>
>>
>> > End quote.
>> >
>> > Then I came back and said: 'Then you don't have RTV there'..
>> >
>> > Bill said the same, Roy figured the same, Snow figured the same, Paul
>> > figured the same.
>> >
>> > If you had of just told the truth that you never tried squat, instead
>> > you
>> > just were too busy complaining, we wouldn't be having this exchange
>> > right
>> > now.>
>>
>> You misunderstood my response & then have the audacity to call me a liar,
>> that's pretty low, Mike!
>>
>> > Then when I insist on still politely calling your bull ****, by saying
>> > once again: 'I will say again. You 'cannot' have RTV there!' <
>>
>> And, Mr. Shoot-From-The-Lip, you were wrong. I was not "bull****ting", at
>> that point I was at a stage where nothing that I'd tried so far that had
>> been suggested worked. As I explained, for safety reasons I hadn't yet
>> tried
>> your suggestion to use gasoline, for obvious safety concerns.
>>
>> >Then 'you' call 'me' condescending and a know it all.<
>>
>> Because you were.
>>
>> > All this BS because you told us a lie.<
>>
>> You have a lot of nerve, Mike, to call me a liar for absolutely no reason
>> other than to justify your own inappropriate behavior. I really resent
>> it.
>>
>> > I will leave this alone now, hopefully you get the point.<
>>
>> I sure do, you've behaved inappropriately, you can't admit you're wrong,
>> you've insulted me repeatedly and I now have a totally different opinion
>> of
>> you than I've had for some time. That probably won't change. You can
>> start
>> with an apology.

Bill, this was precisely the answer I hoped to hook you into. I have no
intention of justifying my purchases of quality hardware & labor to you or
anyone else. I personally think you're an opinionated blowhard who owns a
bunch of cheap junk. I'll park my Jeeps next to anything you own, any day of
the week, and I'll wheel you to a fare-thee-well.


"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> That was smart of you to not sign again the BS and make it a legal
> document, as all troll do.
> I would be embarrassed to say I paid even a quarter of that for
> axles: http://www.drivetraindirect.com/assemblies_jeep.htm The rest of
> your costs are ridiculous, too
> I'm retired, but was a Chevron owner/operator for more then fifteen
> years. During that time both my stations and I were Kalifornia SMOG
> licensed: http://www.billhughes.com/chevron.jpg Me:
> http://www.billhughes.com/oscilloscope.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>
>
> SoK66 wrote:
>>
>> Ok, here you go:
>>
>> '94 YJ: $16,500
>> Axles, lockers, MP brakes installed : $15,000
>> Atlas II installed: $4,000
>> Rubicon suspension, DT shocks: $1,000
>> Hi Angle Driveline Custom Shafts: $600
>> Kilby OBA installed: $1,500
>> Warn 9000i winch & mount: $1,000
>> Trailready Beadlocks installed: $1,500
>> BFG M/Ts (2 sets): $1,500
>> Eagle Alloys: $500
>> Avalanche Hi-Steer Setup: $1,500
>> Durango Bumpers & Accessories: $1,500
>> O-R Fab Roll Cage: $300
>> M.O.R.E. Body Lift, Shock Mounts,
>> 1" Motor Mounts installed: $1,000
>> Tub coating installed: $400
>> Poison Spyder Rock Rings: $250
>> Avalanche Rocker Guards Installed: $1,100
>> TJ Flares (2 sets) $650
>> Off Your Rocker Corner Panels $250
>> Tube Fenders Incl. Paint $750
>>
>> -------
>> Total: $50,800
>>
>> (Doesn't include other items like the radio, Turbo City intake, Optima
>> battery, and countless other items that have been installed & removed
>> over
>> the years, like three suspensions, 33" tires, regear of original axles,
>> SYE
>> kit for the original transfer case, etc. which could easily add $5k more.
>> The list also doesn't include my labor.)
>>
>> BTW, Hughes, I asked you to post your automotive qualifications. Where
>> are
>> they? It's high time you put up or shut your yap.
>>
>> I want to appologize to all the other posters on this NG. As anyone
>> knows,
>> rants aren't my style. All I did was ask a simple question, which has
>> resulted in two nitwits behaving anappropriately, then trying to save
>> face
>> by calling me a liar. If they can launch on me, they'll do it to anyone
>> and
>> it's high time these two got put in their place.
>>
>> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> > http://www.billhughes.com/
>> >
>> > SoK66 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ok, Bill, I've had enough, here goes: I've posted on this forum for
>> >> years
>> >> as
>> >> Jerry McG. Not that it's any of your friggin'
>> >> business, but I changed my screen name to SoK66 a few weeks ago and
>> >> altered
>> >> the e-mail to stop all the God damn usenet-scanned porno and other
>> >> bull****
>> >> from filling up my in box, viruses and all.
>> >>
>> >> I know fully well what "Room Tempreature Vulvanizing" is and I've
>> >> worked
>> >> with it for as many or more years as you. HOWEVER, BILL, I've never
>> >> had
>> >> to
>> >> get a stripe of it approx. 4' long and 1/2" wide off of a visible
>> >> painted
>> >> surface. Nor has anyone else I know locally, including my body man.
>> >>
>> >> I thought before I had him strip it to the metal and reshoot it, as
>> >> some
>> >> suggested, it would be a simple GOD DAMN question to ask on this
>> >> PUBLIC
>> >> FRIGGIN' JEEP FORUM! I didn't expect to be insulted by you or anyone
>> >> else
>> >> simply for asking this simple question!
>> >>
>> >> If you don't believe I have two the Jeeps, then here's an old link to
>> >> Webshots with some shots of them that I set up last spring for an
>> >> online
>> >> article.
>> >>
>> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/...37932612OWzeZc
>> >>
>> >> There you go, wise ass.
>> >>
>> >> As for my qualifications, I'm a retired Ford / Jaguar Service
>> >> executive,
>> >> I'm
>> >> a former ASE and VW Master Tech, and I'm now President of the Creeper
>> >> Jeepers Gang of Durango Colorado. I don't have to tell you all this,
>> >> but
>> >> I've been insulted enough to stuff it right in your arrogant face.
>> >> Match
>> >> me,
>> >> Mr. "Real Jeep" know-it-all with your qualifications if you dare. I
>> >> may
>> >> accept your apology, once it's given. Until then, Bill, understand
>> >> that I think you're a friggin' idiot.

Bill, this was precisely the answer I hoped to hook you into. I have no
intention of justifying my purchases of quality hardware & labor to you or
anyone else. I personally think you're an opinionated blowhard who owns a
bunch of cheap junk. I'll park my Jeeps next to anything you own, any day of
the week, and I'll wheel you to a fare-thee-well.


"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> That was smart of you to not sign again the BS and make it a legal
> document, as all troll do.
> I would be embarrassed to say I paid even a quarter of that for
> axles: http://www.drivetraindirect.com/assemblies_jeep.htm The rest of
> your costs are ridiculous, too
> I'm retired, but was a Chevron owner/operator for more then fifteen
> years. During that time both my stations and I were Kalifornia SMOG
> licensed: http://www.billhughes.com/chevron.jpg Me:
> http://www.billhughes.com/oscilloscope.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>
>
> SoK66 wrote:
>>
>> Ok, here you go:
>>
>> '94 YJ: $16,500
>> Axles, lockers, MP brakes installed : $15,000
>> Atlas II installed: $4,000
>> Rubicon suspension, DT shocks: $1,000
>> Hi Angle Driveline Custom Shafts: $600
>> Kilby OBA installed: $1,500
>> Warn 9000i winch & mount: $1,000
>> Trailready Beadlocks installed: $1,500
>> BFG M/Ts (2 sets): $1,500
>> Eagle Alloys: $500
>> Avalanche Hi-Steer Setup: $1,500
>> Durango Bumpers & Accessories: $1,500
>> O-R Fab Roll Cage: $300
>> M.O.R.E. Body Lift, Shock Mounts,
>> 1" Motor Mounts installed: $1,000
>> Tub coating installed: $400
>> Poison Spyder Rock Rings: $250
>> Avalanche Rocker Guards Installed: $1,100
>> TJ Flares (2 sets) $650
>> Off Your Rocker Corner Panels $250
>> Tube Fenders Incl. Paint $750
>>
>> -------
>> Total: $50,800
>>
>> (Doesn't include other items like the radio, Turbo City intake, Optima
>> battery, and countless other items that have been installed & removed
>> over
>> the years, like three suspensions, 33" tires, regear of original axles,
>> SYE
>> kit for the original transfer case, etc. which could easily add $5k more.
>> The list also doesn't include my labor.)
>>
>> BTW, Hughes, I asked you to post your automotive qualifications. Where
>> are
>> they? It's high time you put up or shut your yap.
>>
>> I want to appologize to all the other posters on this NG. As anyone
>> knows,
>> rants aren't my style. All I did was ask a simple question, which has
>> resulted in two nitwits behaving anappropriately, then trying to save
>> face
>> by calling me a liar. If they can launch on me, they'll do it to anyone
>> and
>> it's high time these two got put in their place.
>>
>> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> > http://www.billhughes.com/
>> >
>> > SoK66 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ok, Bill, I've had enough, here goes: I've posted on this forum for
>> >> years
>> >> as
>> >> Jerry McG. Not that it's any of your friggin'
>> >> business, but I changed my screen name to SoK66 a few weeks ago and
>> >> altered
>> >> the e-mail to stop all the God damn usenet-scanned porno and other
>> >> bull****
>> >> from filling up my in box, viruses and all.
>> >>
>> >> I know fully well what "Room Tempreature Vulvanizing" is and I've
>> >> worked
>> >> with it for as many or more years as you. HOWEVER, BILL, I've never
>> >> had
>> >> to
>> >> get a stripe of it approx. 4' long and 1/2" wide off of a visible
>> >> painted
>> >> surface. Nor has anyone else I know locally, including my body man.
>> >>
>> >> I thought before I had him strip it to the metal and reshoot it, as
>> >> some
>> >> suggested, it would be a simple GOD DAMN question to ask on this
>> >> PUBLIC
>> >> FRIGGIN' JEEP FORUM! I didn't expect to be insulted by you or anyone
>> >> else
>> >> simply for asking this simple question!
>> >>
>> >> If you don't believe I have two the Jeeps, then here's an old link to
>> >> Webshots with some shots of them that I set up last spring for an
>> >> online
>> >> article.
>> >>
>> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/...37932612OWzeZc
>> >>
>> >> There you go, wise ass.
>> >>
>> >> As for my qualifications, I'm a retired Ford / Jaguar Service
>> >> executive,
>> >> I'm
>> >> a former ASE and VW Master Tech, and I'm now President of the Creeper
>> >> Jeepers Gang of Durango Colorado. I don't have to tell you all this,
>> >> but
>> >> I've been insulted enough to stuff it right in your arrogant face.
>> >> Match
>> >> me,
>> >> Mr. "Real Jeep" know-it-all with your qualifications if you dare. I
>> >> may
>> >> accept your apology, once it's given. Until then, Bill, understand
>> >> that I think you're a friggin' idiot.

Keep it up Bill, make some more enemies.

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
>I can always depend on you Matt to side with the trolls of the group.
> Remember all I did was point out the question fit a troll's, it was he
> that went ballistic. Where were you when I thought Ford wouldn't put the
> cheap, problem matic flat four pin connection on thier trucks,
> a**hole!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/

Keep it up Bill, make some more enemies.

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
>I can always depend on you Matt to side with the trolls of the group.
> Remember all I did was point out the question fit a troll's, it was he
> that went ballistic. Where were you when I thought Ford wouldn't put the
> cheap, problem matic flat four pin connection on thier trucks,
> a**hole!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/