Toyota Corolla May Be Recalled over Steering Problem

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:38:46 +0000, Clive wrote:

> In message >,
> =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= > writes
>>One thing I've noticed, and I don't like, is that it doesn't self cancel
>>once you've gone below ~35 MPH like the told ones did. If you had it set
>>for 70MPH on the highway, (er, Motorway...) and go into town, if you were
>>to hit the lever accidently, it's off to the races. I wonder how many
>>incidents of UA were caused by this?
> Not on my car, the cruise control will not function under 27 miles per
> hour and if engaged whilst driving keeps the speed of that engagement not
> any previous one.

What model do you have? An Auris?

I was talking about my '05 Scion. It remembers the last set speed until
you turn off the key. I think it even remembers the setting if you turn
the cruise OFF, and then back on again. I don't
like it. And where the control is; I hit is accidently taking a corner one
time, my had just barely brushed it and hit the RES function, and having
been on the highway at 70 MPH we were off to the races on a back road!
Since then I turn it OFF once I get off the highway. Always.

I'm wondering how many 'unintentional accelerations' were caused by this.

I still have my made in Germany 1976 Hercules Moped, it has Bicycle
pedals on it.Even though I haven't ridden on my Moped in years and
years,I am hanging on to it though, there is something about Mopeds I
have always liked.

Other than that, I have owned five made in foreign Countries four wheels
vehicles before.One BMW Isetta, Three air cooled/engines VWs, and one
1974 Ford/Mazda made in Japan pickup truck.An elderly gentleman (he was
in U.S.Army Infantry in Europe in World War Two.He worked in Motor Pool)
who used to lived down the street from me used to own that 1974
Ford/Mazda pickup truck.The doors to that pickup truck were not on that
pickup truck, but he had the two doors.He had traded something to
somebody else for that pickup truck.He traded that pickup truck to me
for an electric chainsaw.He had been wanting to get rid of that
Ford/Mazda pickup truck anyway.I finally sold that pickup truck to
somebody about fifteen years ago, it had a good running four cylinder
engine in it.

Every since then, I have sworn off of owning anymore foreign
made/foreign name brands of four wheel vehicles, cars/trucks/vans,
regardeless of where they were/are made.I have had more than enough of
those foreign name brand four wheels vehicles to suite me.No More for
me!
cuhulin

In message >,
=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= >
writes
>I was talking about my '05 Scion. It remembers the last set speed until
>you turn off the key. I think it even remembers the setting if you turn
>the cruise OFF, and then back on again. I don't
>like it. And where the control is; I hit is accidently taking a corner one
>time, my had just barely brushed it and hit the RES function, and having
>been on the highway at 70 MPH we were off to the races on a back road!
>Since then I turn it OFF once I get off the highway. Always.
>
>I'm wondering how many 'unintentional accelerations' were caused by this.
Yes you're right I do have an Auris, perhaps yours the more normal one
and Toyota has rectified it. Acting as you say, it would give anyone
not fully conversant with the setup a bit of a shock and I suspect that
the panic reaction for some would be to floor the pedal.
--
Clive.

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:21:35 +0000, Clive wrote:

> In message >,
> =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= > writes
>>I was talking about my '05 Scion. It remembers the last set speed until
>>you turn off the key. I think it even remembers the setting if you turn
>>the cruise OFF, and then back on again. I don't like it. And where the
>>control is; I hit is accidently taking a corner one time, my had just
>>barely brushed it and hit the RES function, and having been on the
>>highway at 70 MPH we were off to the races on a back road! Since then I
>>turn it OFF once I get off the highway. Always.
>>
>>I'm wondering how many 'unintentional accelerations' were caused by this.
> Yes you're right I do have an Auris, perhaps yours the more normal one and
> Toyota has rectified it. Acting as you say, it would give anyone not
> fully conversant with the setup a bit of a shock and I suspect that the
> panic reaction for some would be to floor the pedal.

Well, I tell you, it was a bit of a surprise. I felt my finger hit
something when I was turning the wheel and then the RPMs ramped up and we
started GOING! I had just got off the Interstate and was taking a corner
at the busiest intersection in a small (REALLY small) 'city' but there
weren't a LOT of people around. I immediately hit the brakes AND the
CANCEL lever, and then SHUT IT OFF.

Lesson learned.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Clive" >
Newsgroups:
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Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:39 PM
Subject: Toyota Corolla May Be Recalled over Steering Problem


> In message >, C. E. White
> > writes
>> Toyota's whole business was based on
>>Japanese government funding and the exclusion of foreign competition
>>from the Japanese market.

> You really are a basket case. You've been told ,I can't count just how
> many times, that the average Japanese person wants a car smaller than two
> litres and no one in America makes one. I've pointed out to you that
> it's illegal to own a car in Japan unless you own a parking space, what's
> more others have pointed out that fuel is about five times the cost it is
> in the US. You're just plain thick, or as someone from your side of the
> pond put it "Stoooooopid.


What has this got to do with the Japanese government bankrolling Toyota's
expansion?

I was just pointing out that Toyota was/is getting plenty of governmental
support just like GM. I think it is unreasonable to attack GM for being
propped up by the government when Toyota is also being supported by various
US and Japanese government entities.

The Japanese government protected Toyota from foreign competition for years.
The Japanese government funded much of Toyotas' growth in the 50's, 60's and
70's. When Toyota started having problems last year, the Japanese government
stepped in and provided emergency financing to Toyota. Many US governments
have provided Toyota with financial incentives to locate plants in their
jurisdictions. All this is factual. Trashing GM because it was bailed out by
the US government is only reasonable if you are willing to also criticize
Toyota for accepting government aid. My personal opinion is that the
government should be criticized for essentially confiscating GM from the
prior stockholders and turning over a large chunk of it to the UAW. I was
not a GM stockholder, but I think I would rather have seen it go down the
tubes. GM had some valuable assets. I might have gotten something for my
stock, instead of nothing. I believe the US government far exceeded it's
authority in the GM bailout.

Ed

On 02/26/2010 04:09 PM, C. E. White wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive" >
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>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:39 PM
> Subject: Toyota Corolla May Be Recalled over Steering Problem
>
>
>> In message >, C. E. White
>> > writes
>>> Toyota's whole business was based on
>>> Japanese government funding and the exclusion of foreign competition
>>> from the Japanese market.
>
>> You really are a basket case. You've been told ,I can't count just how
>> many times, that the average Japanese person wants a car smaller than
>> two litres and no one in America makes one. I've pointed out to you
>> that it's illegal to own a car in Japan unless you own a parking
>> space, what's more others have pointed out that fuel is about five
>> times the cost it is in the US. You're just plain thick, or as someone
>> from your side of the pond put it "Stoooooopid.
>
>
> What has this got to do with the Japanese government bankrolling
> Toyota's expansion?

how about the u.s. government facilitating the gm attack on toyota?



>
> I was just pointing out that Toyota was/is getting plenty of
> governmental support just like GM. I think it is unreasonable to attack
> GM for being propped up by the government when Toyota is also being
> supported by various US and Japanese government entities.

apart from the fact that toyota employs tens of thousands of americans.
gm doesn't emply a corresponding number of japanese.


>
> The Japanese government protected Toyota from foreign competition for
> years.

the u.s. government simply gives gm billions of dollars and gives them
tax write-offs.


> The Japanese government funded much of Toyotas' growth in the
> 50's, 60's and 70's.

and the u.s. government...


> When Toyota started having problems last year, the
> Japanese government stepped in and provided emergency financing to
> Toyota.

and the u.s. government...


> Many US governments have provided Toyota with financial
> incentives to locate plants in their jurisdictions.

because they were offering jobs...


> All this is factual.
> Trashing GM because it was bailed out by the US government is only
> reasonable if you are willing to also criticize Toyota for accepting
> government aid.

bull****.


> My personal opinion is that the government should be
> criticized for essentially confiscating GM from the prior stockholders
> and turning over a large chunk of it to the UAW.

on that we agree. gm should have been allowed to fail.


> I was not a GM
> stockholder, but I think I would rather have seen it go down the tubes.
> GM had some valuable assets. I might have gotten something for my stock,
> instead of nothing. I believe the US government far exceeded it's
> authority in the GM bailout.

yeah, they're funding astroturfers to fake "public opinion" on usenet.


>
> Ed


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"jim beam" > wrote in message
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> On 02/26/2010 04:09 PM, C. E. White wrote:
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive" >
>> Newsgroups:
>> alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.toyota.camry,alt.autos. toyota.prius,rec.autos.tech
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:39 PM
>> Subject: Toyota Corolla May Be Recalled over Steering Problem
>>
>>
>>> In message >, C. E. White
>>> > writes
>>>> Toyota's whole business was based on
>>>> Japanese government funding and the exclusion of foreign competition
>>>> from the Japanese market.
>>
>>> You really are a basket case. You've been told ,I can't count just how
>>> many times, that the average Japanese person wants a car smaller than
>>> two litres and no one in America makes one. I've pointed out to you
>>> that it's illegal to own a car in Japan unless you own a parking
>>> space, what's more others have pointed out that fuel is about five
>>> times the cost it is in the US. You're just plain thick, or as someone
>>> from your side of the pond put it "Stoooooopid.
>>
>>
>> What has this got to do with the Japanese government bankrolling
>> Toyota's expansion?
>
> how about the u.s. government facilitating the gm attack on toyota?

I see other promoting this conspiracy theory as well. It is for certain that
Toyota hired several former NHTSA employees to lobby NHTSA. It is also true
that the Toyota Government Relations gGoup was congratulating themselves on
killing off several potential investigations. I think there is as much
evidence to say Toyota was using undo influence on NHTSA as there is for the
claim that the Obama administration is behind some sort of conspiracy to
trash Toyota. For sure numerous politicians have come out in support of
Toyota. The recent House and Senate hearing have been packed with Toyota
dealers. So, I think you are reaching when you make this claim. Heck, even
Toyoda admitted there were problems......they just weren't his fault (which
is actually true, since most of the problems occurred before he took over
the top job).

>> I was just pointing out that Toyota was/is getting plenty of
>> governmental support just like GM. I think it is unreasonable to attack
>> GM for being propped up by the government when Toyota is also being
>> supported by various US and Japanese government entities.
>
> apart from the fact that toyota employs tens of thousands of americans. gm
> doesn't emply a corresponding number of Japanese.

The Japanese Government would not allow GM the chance to own the outright
controlling interest in any major Japanese automakers. However, there was a
time when GM had significant stakes in Isuzu, Subaru, and Suzuki.

What do you suppose would have happen if the US Government had restricted
sales of Japanese cars in the US in the same manner US companies were shut
out of Japan?

>> The Japanese government protected Toyota from foreign competition for
>> years.
>
> the u.s. government simply gives gm billions of dollars and gives them tax
> write-offs.

I wasn't happy about the way this was handled. I think GM should have been
allowed to go into bankruptcy. GM would not have disappeared, but a lot of
bankers would have lost a lot of money.

The US Governement has never set up the sort of barrier to foreign
automakers that the Japanese government has (and still does).

>> The Japanese government funded much of Toyotas' growth in the
>> 50's, 60's and 70's.
>
> and the u.s. government...

I don't think the US Federal Government provided financing to Toyota in the
50's, 60's, and 70's (or to US Car companies fot that matter).

>> When Toyota started having problems last year, the
>> Japanese government stepped in and provided emergency financing to
>> Toyota.
>
> and the u.s. government...

I am not sure what your point is here. As far as I know the US Federal
government did not provide financial aide to Toyota - well except for the
tax rebates they provided for Hybrid cars which mostly benefited Toyota.

>> Many US governments have provided Toyota with financial
>> incentives to locate plants in their jurisdictions.
>
> because they were offering jobs...

So do you figure if the various states had not tried to buy these jobs,
Toyota would not have built the plants anyhow? Toyota played the various
state governments off against each other.

>> All this is factual.
>> Trashing GM because it was bailed out by the US government is only
>> reasonable if you are willing to also criticize Toyota for accepting
>> government aid.
>
> bull****.

Why is this? Toyota has received billions from various governments. Why is
it OK for Toyota to get government funds, but not OK for GM?

>> My personal opinion is that the government should be
>> criticized for essentially confiscating GM from the prior stockholders
>> and turning over a large chunk of it to the UAW.
>
> on that we agree. gm should have been allowed to fail.
>
>
>> I was not a GM
>> stockholder, but I think I would rather have seen it go down the tubes.
>> GM had some valuable assets. I might have gotten something for my stock,
>> instead of nothing. I believe the US government far exceeded it's
>> authority in the GM bailout.
>
> yeah, they're funding astroturfers to fake "public opinion" on usenet.

I really have a hard time figuring out your motivations. Your posts are
mostly irrational and so one sided as to be laughable. You seem willing to
make up all sort of lies to attack domestic manufacturers, while dismissing
any actual facts that put Toyota in a negative light as lies. You are so
far over the top in your assertions, I am beginning to think you are
actually some sort of counter agent. By unleashing such ridiculous and
unreasonable attacks maybe your plan is to torpedo Toyota by association.

Ed