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how to check how a lifter is bad? (Valve Noise)



 
 
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Old June 8th 06, 12:13 AM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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Default how to check how a lifter is bad? (Valve Noise)

I have a 1995 740iL E38 series BMW, i have noise on my right side of
the engine that sounds like a tick. The sound is in the lifter/ header
area. I took it into the dealer and they were unable to give me an
exact answer other than what i suggested. I have the TSI software to
repair my BMW and it suggests the lifters.

I took the head apart and i have the lifters out too, but no one can
tell me how to tell how much play there is supose to be in the lifter,
even the BMW mechanics. The software tells how to test them while still
in the engine, and i pushed on each one like it says, but didn't really
get any play on all 16 on that side.

When i pushed on the lifter (the underneath, and while out of the head)
and i can push that middle in all the way till it stops. When it stops
it feels like it is bottoming out.

Can anyone give me an exact answer on how to check how a lifter is bad?

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Old June 8th 06, 02:47 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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>> I have a 1995 740iL E38 series BMW, i have noise on my right side of
>> the engine that sounds like a tick. The sound is in the lifter/ header
>> area. I took it into the dealer and they were unable to give me an
>> exact answer other than what i suggested. I have the TSI software to
>> repair my BMW and it suggests the lifters.
>>
>> I took the head apart and i have the lifters out too, but no one can
>> tell me how to tell how much play there is supose to be in the lifter,
>> even the BMW mechanics. The software tells how to test them while still
>> in the engine, and i pushed on each one like it says, but didn't really
>> get any play on all 16 on that side.
>>
>> When i pushed on the lifter (the underneath, and while out of the head)
>> and i can push that middle in all the way till it stops. When it stops
>> it feels like it is bottoming out.
>>
>> Can anyone give me an exact answer on how to check how a lifter is bad?

>
> No, but there was a TSB about ticking engines when they had not been
> run for awhile or not been run long enough to allow the oil to warm
> up. Soemthign to do with the lifters draining and not getting pumped
> up again.


It's almost impossible to test a lifter out of the car. But if you know
which one it is, just replace it and get on with your life. If it
contacts the cam lobe directly, make sure there isn't visible wear.

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Old June 9th 06, 07:46 AM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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Default how to check how a lifter is bad? (Valve Noise)

you shouldnt really be able to push the lifter together without a fair
amount of pressure, I have struggled to sqeeze them together at all in the
past without the aid of grips etc, and if the seals are weak inside this
would be systematic of a ticking noise in your engine.
i believe "german and swedish" ( or whatever they are calling themselves
thesedays) or "Euro car parts" supply a kit containing the full set of
lifters for your car ( UK only)
no point in replacing just the one if you have gone to the trouble of
removing the head etc.

"Rex B" > wrote in message
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> wrote:
>>
wrote:
>>> I have a 1995 740iL E38 series BMW, i have noise on my right side of
>>> the engine that sounds like a tick. The sound is in the lifter/ header
>>> area. I took it into the dealer and they were unable to give me an
>>> exact answer other than what i suggested. I have the TSI software to
>>> repair my BMW and it suggests the lifters.
>>>
>>> I took the head apart and i have the lifters out too, but no one can
>>> tell me how to tell how much play there is supose to be in the lifter,
>>> even the BMW mechanics. The software tells how to test them while still
>>> in the engine, and i pushed on each one like it says, but didn't really
>>> get any play on all 16 on that side.
>>>
>>> When i pushed on the lifter (the underneath, and while out of the head)
>>> and i can push that middle in all the way till it stops. When it stops
>>> it feels like it is bottoming out.
>>>
>>> Can anyone give me an exact answer on how to check how a lifter is bad?

>>
>> No, but there was a TSB about ticking engines when they had not been
>> run for awhile or not been run long enough to allow the oil to warm
>> up. Soemthign to do with the lifters draining and not getting pumped
>> up again.

>
> It's almost impossible to test a lifter out of the car. But if you know
> which one it is, just replace it and get on with your life. If it
> contacts the cam lobe directly, make sure there isn't visible wear.
>



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Old June 10th 06, 09:40 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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Default how to check how a lifter is bad? (Valve Noise)

Thanks, we did end up purchasing the other 8 lifters and putting them
all in. We put everything back together and we are still getting the
same exact sound.

We checked the cranshaft and also pushed down on the rods while they in
the engine. All of the springs compressed down, so the springs seem
good.

When the engine runs it sounds like a deasel, and the sound is
defenitley on the entire drivers side head bank.

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Old June 12th 06, 08:02 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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Default how to check how a lifter is bad? (Valve Noise)

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> When the engine runs it sounds like a deasel, and the sound is
> defenitley on the entire drivers side head bank.


Could it be the camshaft? The stuff you've been replacing would make a
lighter ticking or tapping, not so much a knock like a diesel. Or could the
oil feed to the hydraulics be blocked making them all fail to work?


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Old June 12th 06, 08:22 PM posted to alt.autos.bmw
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Dan Buchan wrote:
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> oups.com...
>> When the engine runs it sounds like a deasel, and the sound is
>> defenitley on the entire drivers side head bank.

>
> Could it be the camshaft? The stuff you've been replacing would make a
> lighter ticking or tapping, not so much a knock like a diesel. Or could the
> oil feed to the hydraulics be blocked making them all fail to work?


That's a good thought. Might be worthwhile to pull the lifters and blow
compressed air back down the oil ports.
But I can't imagine anyone letting a 740i go without proper
maintenance to the point that sludge would build up.

For that matter, has the oil pressure been checked? It could be a weak
oil pump, or a problem with the pressure relieve valve so pressure is
bleeding off at idle.
 




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