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What's the tale of ceramic brakes?
On 03/05/2020 07:44 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> In article >, > wrote: >>I'm not familiar with ceramic brakes, but they come with a lifetime warranty. >>Are they really that good? Do they threaten any other brake system >>components? Do they really last forever? Any informed comments appreciated. > > Pretty much all pads have some "ceramic" elements in them. The ones that > are advertised as "ceramic" are usually low dust and relatively noisy. > > They don't have to last forever, they only have to last long enough for you > to lose the paperwork that came with them. Pep Boys seems to recognize their own lifetime parts. I needed an alternator for my used car and was surprised when they told me it would be free because my core was one of their lifetime alternators. I also got free brake pads. It really gripes me that I drove my Sentra to the knackers (Kalifornia Kash for Klunkers) with a LOT of lifetime parts. -- Cheers, Bev "I don't trust carry-out food. When you find hair in my cooking you don't hafta worry about where it came from!" -- Dinette Set |
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What's the tale of ceramic brakes?
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 14:44:05 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
> Pep Boys seems to recognize their own lifetime parts. I needed an > alternator for my used car and was surprised when they told me it would > be free because my core was one of their lifetime alternators. I also > got free brake pads. It really gripes me that I drove my Sentra to the > knackers (Kalifornia Kash for Klunkers) with a LOT of lifetime parts. I suspect you have an "account" with Pep Boys, which is how they knew what you had purchased... Even so, does Pep Boys consider brake pads lifetime parts? |
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What's the tale of ceramic brakes?
On 03/06/2020 05:30 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 14:44:05 -0800, The Real Bev wrote: > >> Pep Boys seems to recognize their own lifetime parts. I needed an >> alternator for my used car and was surprised when they told me it would >> be free because my core was one of their lifetime alternators. I also >> got free brake pads. It really gripes me that I drove my Sentra to the >> knackers (Kalifornia Kash for Klunkers) with a LOT of lifetime parts. > > I suspect you have an "account" with Pep Boys, which is how they knew what > you had purchased... No, this was the alternator from a used car. They had no way of knowing who had bought the thing unless it had a serial number (in which case it wouldn't have been me), but the guy didn't look it up -- he just recognized it by sight. > Even so, does Pep Boys consider brake pads lifetime parts? They used to consider ALL their parts as lifetime parts. Given that brake pads are pretty cheap and last at least 40K miles, it's probably good business to include even consumable parts. I've always liked Pep Boys. They uses to claim 'coast to coast' because they had stores in California and ONE store somewhere on the east coast -- maybe New York. I think they have more now. Remember when everybody sold 'lifetime' batteries? Some time in the 70s. We bought one for our 55 Chevy and one for our 68 van from Penney's. We still have the van, and we've replaced the battery twice, but it's kind of a bitch. Penney's sold all its automotive stuff to Firestone before the first replacement. We had to take our paperwork in to Penney's customer service to get an authorization to Firestone to replace the battery for free. CS people had no clue about this, manager had to be called... Firestone guys then tried to convince us that it would be better to exchange our cheap 'lifetime' battery for one of their new super-duper 3-year batteries. Nope. Also demanded that we bring in the van so they could check out the charging system. Nope -- "Show us that requirement in the warranty..." One wanted to take our paperwork into the next room to copy it. Nope. We haven't driven the van for a long time, but I still have the paperwork and Firestone is still in business... -- Cheers, Bev ========================================= "Welcome to Hell, here's your accordion." |
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What's the tale of ceramic brakes?
On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 09:11:01 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
> We haven't driven the van for a long time, but I still have the > paperwork and Firestone is still in business... I know what you mean about being in business for "lifetime warranties". I have a Sears "lifetime warranty" ratchet hand tool which I want to replace but I can't seem to find a nearby Sears anymore. Sears is "still in business" but not apparently in the Silicon Valley. -- Usenet is so much more valuable, and pleasant, when people act like adults. |
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What's the tale of ceramic brakes?
On 3/7/2020 3:04 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 09:11:01 -0800, The Real Bev wrote: > >> We haven't driven the van for a long time, but I still have the >> paperwork and Firestone is still in business... > > I know what you mean about being in business for "lifetime warranties". > > I have a Sears "lifetime warranty" ratchet hand tool which I want to > replace but I can't seem to find a nearby Sears anymore. > > Sears is "still in business" but not apparently in the Silicon Valley. Stanley Tools purchased the Craftsman line. Craftsman brand warranties are honored at Lowes and most Ace Hardware stores. |
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What's the tale of ceramic brakes?
Heron > wrote:
>On 3/7/2020 3:04 PM, Arlen Holder wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 09:11:01 -0800, The Real Bev wrote: >> >>> We haven't driven the van for a long time, but I still have the >>> paperwork and Firestone is still in business... >> >> I know what you mean about being in business for "lifetime warranties". >> >> I have a Sears "lifetime warranty" ratchet hand tool which I want to >> replace but I can't seem to find a nearby Sears anymore. >> >> Sears is "still in business" but not apparently in the Silicon Valley. > >Stanley Tools purchased the Craftsman line. Craftsman brand >warranties are honored at Lowes and most Ace Hardware stores. However, the replacements aren't worth the trouble. Toss it and buy a Wright or Proto. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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What's the tale of ceramic brakes?
On 03/07/2020 01:04 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 09:11:01 -0800, The Real Bev wrote: > >> We haven't driven the van for a long time, but I still have the >> paperwork and Firestone is still in business... > > I know what you mean about being in business for "lifetime warranties". > > I have a Sears "lifetime warranty" ratchet hand tool which I want to > replace but I can't seem to find a nearby Sears anymore. What about K-Mart or Orchard Supply? Both deal in Craftsman. > Sears is "still in business" but not apparently in the Silicon Valley. You can get free 'rebuild kits' for their ratchets. Maybe they'd even mail you one if you asked. -- Cheers, Bev "I wish I had more time to seek out the dark forces and join their hellish crusade." -- Clarice |
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What's the tale of ceramic brakes?
On 03/07/2020 06:05 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Heron > wrote: >>On 3/7/2020 3:04 PM, Arlen Holder wrote: >>> On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 09:11:01 -0800, The Real Bev wrote: >>> >>>> We haven't driven the van for a long time, but I still have the >>>> paperwork and Firestone is still in business... >>> >>> I know what you mean about being in business for "lifetime warranties". >>> >>> I have a Sears "lifetime warranty" ratchet hand tool which I want to >>> replace but I can't seem to find a nearby Sears anymore. >>> >>> Sears is "still in business" but not apparently in the Silicon Valley. >> >>Stanley Tools purchased the Craftsman line. Craftsman brand >>warranties are honored at Lowes and most Ace Hardware stores. > > However, the replacements aren't worth the trouble. Toss it and buy a > Wright or Proto. Never heard of Wright, but Proto make the most beautiful tools ever. I especially like the handles on the tiny electronic pliers -- they're spread wide at the hinge (node? joint?) so you don't pinch your hand. -- Cheers, Bev "I wish I had more time to seek out the dark forces and join their hellish crusade." -- Clarice |
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What's the tale of ceramic brakes?
On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 20:59:37 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
> Never heard of Wright, but Proto make the most beautiful tools ever. I > especially like the handles on the tiny electronic pliers -- they're > spread wide at the hinge (node? joint?) so you don't pinch your hand. That's nice! I have huge XXL-gloved hands where the strangely delicate "web" between thumb and index finger always gets pinched by my Sears small needlenose pliers! Sometimes, when working in tight spaces on automotive engines, I wish I had those tiny Japanese hands that made the parts in the first place. |
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What's the tale of ceramic brakes?
On 7 Mar 2020 21:05:05 -0500, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> I have a Sears "lifetime warranty" ratchet hand tool which I want to >>> replace but I can't seem to find a nearby Sears anymore. >>> >>> Sears is "still in business" but not apparently in the Silicon Valley. >> >>Stanley Tools purchased the Craftsman line. Craftsman brand >>warranties are honored at Lowes and most Ace Hardware stores. > > However, the replacements aren't worth the trouble. Toss it and buy a > Wright or Proto. Thank you both for reminding me that "other" outfits replace Craftsman handtools, where I had forgotten that I tried Orchard Supply Hardware (aka OSH) here in the Silicon Valley (who was also purchased by Sears at one point). The problem with OSH was that they would only replace that _exact_ item with an _exact_ replacement, down to the exact model number. If they didn't have that _exact_ item and, invariably they did not since they carried very little inventory, it was worthless. I did NOT know about Lowes or Ace taking up the warranty, but if the problem is the same, that it must be exact, then it's worthless since you'll _never_ find the exact model number ever. Certainly it's just a plain old six-inch 3/8"s ratchet; but everything depends on whether they'll replace with 'something similar' or not. As for quality ... I loved the Craftsman quality so that's something I'll have to look at when/if I find a replacement (actually a rebuild kit would do me perfectly). I'll check out Lowes/Ace where what matters is... a. Must they have the exact part number in stock to replace it? b. Will they replace with something similar of similar quality? c. Will they provide a rebuild kit instead (which is preferred)? The great thing with Craftsman tools is they work great for automotive repair since they're lifetime quality, even as some of the "moving parts" tools (like ratchets) break over time. -- Together we can learn far more than anyone of us can by learning alone. |
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