If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#901
|
|||
|
|||
"Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message
... > i know thats what youre trying to do but i wont let you. :-) my post to > YOU clearly stated -30 degrees. :-) > But not as a limiting factor! lol yes it was! although you desperately attempt to weasel your way off the hook theres just no way around it. my statement was clear. you remind me of clinton trying to weasel his way out of lying to the grand jury. funny to watch. :-) > without your self-imposed low > ambient spec irrelevent since i CLEARLY said -30 degrees. :-) > I win! Therefore, I win! TRANSLATION --> "i lose". :-) if you continue to claim victory you might actually convince yourself of such, but youve fooled no one else. :-) -- Nathan W. Collier http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
Ads |
#902
|
|||
|
|||
"Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message
t... > Your crap unsays itself! TRANSLATION --> "i have no response". and BTW, i found out why there are refrigerants found in the bottom of the ocean. care to take a guess? -- Nathan W. Collier http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
#903
|
|||
|
|||
"Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message
t... >> TRANSLATION --> "im a little girly bitch" :-) > Be as femme as you want i have no doubt thats the code that you live by. :-) -- Nathan W. Collier http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
#904
|
|||
|
|||
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" > wrote in message > news:lm9Ee.80$sc3.68@trnddc07... > >>Nathan W. Collier, the poolboi wrote: >> >> >>> im glad to see that you claim any four wheel drive is a "jeep". >>> it just goes to show how full of **** the rest of >>>your argument is. >> >>HL&S <G>, but don't you think it's more than just a little bit dishonest >>to snip what I wrote and then claim I said something completely different? > > > YOU stated that in many parts of the world any 4x4 is referenced as a jeep. > you went on to DEFEND IT by claiming its usage was reasonable > (paraphrasing). > > "reality is that in many parts of the world, a jeep is any four wheel drive > utility vehicle." YOUR words. > > jeff i dont care whats done anywhere in the world it doesnt change the > bottom line. no matter how many ignorant people say it, a land rover is NOT > a jeep. by the same token, no matter how many ignorant people use "freon" > to describe refrigerant it just does not make it so. you can continue to > argue your ignorance all you want, you cannot change the bottom line and the > harder you argue your ignorance the more you take away from your valid > points. > The flip side of this is that no matter how much you dislike something you cannot make it go away by wishing it to, or denying it's existence. *I* do not use "Jeep" for any other vehicles other than what I have previously stated, in spite of your trimming to eliminate those statements. However I know what you were fishing for and I gave it to you: in other parts of the world "jeep" is used generically. Like it or not, that's reality. Time to grow up Nate and realize that we do not get to impose our own versions of reality on the world. -- jeff |
#905
|
|||
|
|||
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" > wrote in message > news:YD9Ee.84$sc3.1@trnddc07... > >>don't you remember writing: > > fine and well, i stand corrected (<-- the mark of integrity which you > liberals know nothing of). You know nothing of my politics, and they are not germain to this discussion. in my haste i failed to express myself properly. > so you are suggesting that sunlight does not destroy chlorine? The law of conservation of mass: "Matter can neither be created nor destroyed, only changed in form." Nothing short of nuclear bombardment can destroy chlorine. > > "Numerous field tests and evaluations have demonstrated that the addition of > a minimum of 30 parts per million of cyanuric acid to swimming pool water > prevents wasteful destruction of the free chlorine residual by sunlight. " > from > http://webpages.charter.net/poolserv...0Chemistry.htm > and i can find you 1000 links showing that sunlight destroys chlorine. > Key phrase "free chlorine residual". If you go back and actually read, about 14 lines into your page is this statement: " when chlorine compounds are dissolved in water, hypochlorous acid is formed. (Remember that name-it does the actual sanitizing.)" If you look back to what I have previously posted you will find where I posted the chemical sequence for you including the definition of "hypochlorus acid". What you think of as "sunlight dissolving chlorine" or "sunlight destroying chlorine" is what I previously stated as sunlight causing the chlorine atom in hypochlorus acid to dissociate. It is breaking the chlorine atom free and allowing it to excape. Chlorine in: Cl2+H2O -> HCL + HOCl Chlorine out: Light + 4(HOCl) -> 2(H2O) + 2(Cl2) + O2 It should be noted that some of the Chlorine evolved can disolve back into solution. Chlorine is not destroyed, hypochlorous acid is. -- jeff |
#906
|
|||
|
|||
"jeff" > wrote in message
news:Zb5Fe.4105$vY2.302@trnddc09... > The flip side of this is that no matter how much you dislike something you > cannot make it go away by wishing it to, or denying it's existence. im not trying to make it "go away". im stating that its _wrong_. > in other parts of the world "jeep" is used generically. Like it or not, > that's reality. and its still WRONG. :-) > Time to grow up Nate and realize that we do not get to impose our own > versions of reality on the world. time to own up jeff, and admit that you were WRONG. -- Nathan W. Collier http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
#907
|
|||
|
|||
"jeff" > wrote in message
news:bz5Fe.5295$mU3.3394@trnddc02... > Nothing short of nuclear bombardment can destroy chlorine. i have as many pool links as you can read saying otherwise. >What you think of as "sunlight dissolving chlorine" or "sunlight destroying >chlorine" is what I previously stated as sunlight causing the chlorine atom >in hypochlorus acid to dissociate. It is breaking the chlorine atom free >and allowing it to excape. and where is it going....the ozone? :-) > Chlorine is not destroyed, hypochlorous acid is. so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed, and not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid? -- Nathan W. Collier http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
#908
|
|||
|
|||
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" > wrote in message > news:Zb5Fe.4105$vY2.302@trnddc09... > >>The flip side of this is that no matter how much you dislike something you >>cannot make it go away by wishing it to, or denying it's existence. > > im not trying to make it "go away". im stating that its _wrong_. >>in other parts of the world "jeep" is used generically. Like it or not, >>that's reality. > > and its still WRONG. :-) Yes it's wrong, but it is also reality. Just like when I showed you dozens of links to HVAC contractors and other "insiders" referring to "freon refrigeration". Just because *You* have defined it as wrong, does not make it so, nor does it make it go away, right or wrong. > > >>Time to grow up Nate and realize that we do not get to impose our own >>versions of reality on the world. > > time to own up jeff, and admit that you were WRONG. > I said freon is a compound. You say it's only a tradename. You say in the industry that *nobody* uses the name generically. I show dozens of examples of people in the industry using it in that way. All I have to show is *ONE* usage in industry to throw your "nobody" out the window. That's the problem with phrasing things in absolutist terms. Use some common sense he If I say Band-aid, do you know what I am talking about? If you say that's only a tradename, and you refer to them as adhesive bandage strips, I am going to guess you were toilet trained you with a cattle prod... -- jeff |
#909
|
|||
|
|||
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "jeff" > wrote in message > news:bz5Fe.5295$mU3.3394@trnddc02... > >>Nothing short of nuclear bombardment can destroy chlorine. > > i have as many pool links as you can read saying otherwise. I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they actually say. > >>What you think of as "sunlight dissolving chlorine" or "sunlight destroying >>chlorine" is what I previously stated as sunlight causing the chlorine atom >>in hypochlorus acid to dissociate. It is breaking the chlorine atom free >>and allowing it to excape. > > and where is it going....the ozone? :-) Perhaps some of it, but given the reactivity of it I would imagine the vast majority gets washed out as HCl and HOCl. > >>Chlorine is not destroyed, hypochlorous acid is. > > so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed, and > not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid? > Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry? Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm "Chlorine reacts with water to form Hypochlorous acid (HOC1). The reaction is different for each form of chlorine but hypochlorous acid is produced by each of those reactions and is the form in which chlorine serves best as a disinfectant. Hypochlorous acid is a weak acid and easily dissociates to an ionized hypochlorite state as shown below. HOC1 increasing pH-> H+ OC1- Hypochlorous <-decreasing pH Hydrogen + Hypochlorite Acid Ion Ion This is important because both hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite ion are counted as free chlorine residual on your test kit but only the hypochlorous acid portion is an effective disinfectant. The balance between hypochlorous acid and the hypochlorite ion is affected by pH. The higher the pH, the less hypochlorous acid present and the less effective free chlorine becomes. At a pH of 7.2 about 66% of free chlorine is hypochlorous acid. At a pH of 7.8 only about 33% of free chlorine is hypochlorous acid. Thus pH control is essential for maintaining the effectiveness of chlorine as a disinfectant. Stabilizer - Cyanuric Acid Hypochlorous acid is a highly unstable molecule which dissipates rapidly in the presence of sunlight. This results in considerable loss of free chlorine form pools exposed to sunlight. Proper stabilization of chlorine with cyanuric acid slows the rate of chlorine dissipation without appreciably sacrificing oxidation and disinfection activity" Note the terminology: *DISSIPATES* Nothing is being destroyed. -- jeff |
#910
|
|||
|
|||
"jeff" > wrote in message
news:lPaFe.5689$dM3.5367@trnddc04... > I doubt they are wrong, but I question your interpretation of what they > actually say. aw c'mon, the links _clearly_ stated that sunlight destroyed the chlorine. >> and where is it going....the ozone? :-) > > Perhaps some of it, so your statement is that swimming pools could account for a percentage of ozone depletion? that would be a logical deduction of your statement... >> so tell me jeff, why hundreds of links state that chlorine is destroyed, >> and not one ive read says its the hypochlorous acid? >> > > Because poolbois are too stupid to understand chemistry? drop the elitist bull**** already. i can assure you that youre no better than anybody else in this newsgroup. > Here's a site: http://www.deh.enr.state.nc.us/ehs/chem.htm wheres the relevance? i see no direct reference to our points of difference. -- Nathan W. Collier http://InlineDiesel.com http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com http://BighornRefrigeration.com |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Air Conditioning (A/C) Trouble | [email protected] | Chrysler | 5 | June 2nd 05 04:24 AM |
Maxi-Frig for R12/R134A ? | Henry Kolesnik | Technology | 39 | May 26th 05 06:31 AM |
Disposal of Refrigerant 12 dichlorodifluoromethane? | Wayne Pein | Technology | 4 | April 13th 05 11:26 PM |
Climatronic Diagnostic Controls | Luís Lourenço | Audi | 1 | November 12th 04 08:22 AM |