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Old July 22nd 05, 07:07 AM
Ashton Crusher
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On 20 Jul 2005 02:22:07 -0700, "proffsl" > wrote:

>Is it really so difficult to shake off the harness? Clearly, in a knee
>jerk fashon, you fealt the need to try to humiliate me. But, for who's
>benefit, for what purpose, and in who's eyes? I present you with
>evidence of my claim, you offer no counter evidence of any sort, then
>come off with some cutesy limerick! Are you under the impression you
>proved anything to anybody, other than the ability to plagerize cutesy
>limericks?
>
>You have lived in this harness for so long, you are afraid to live
>without it, you are afraid to consider living without it, and to avoid
>doing that, you are afraid to even admit the harness exists! And, in
>your case, plagiarizing cutesy limericks is a defense mechanism,
>protecting you from unwanted thought and observations.
>
>You probably wouldn't dare follow it, but this is a link to a site
>where the 1937 Detroit Michigan Driver's Handbook is shown. At the
>time of the publishing of this handbook, "driving" was still openly
>admitted by Cities and States as a Right.
>http://www.us-highways.com/trtdr00.htm
>
>Let's try another approach at this. Surely you would have to admit our
>Constitution recognizes our Personal Right to Liberty. And, surely you
>would have to admit that this implies a Personal Right to Travel on
>Public Highways, Roads, Paths, and other Public Right of Ways. If you
>can't admit even this, then I can only think you humiliate yourself.
>
>Assuming you admit we have the Personal Right to Travel on our Public
>Highways, in what manner should we Travel on them other than the
>Ordinary (the usual) manner of Travel on them? Should we be limited to
>only extraordinary manners of Travel on them, which in turn may be, and
>are in many places, prohibited because they obstruct the ordinary
>manner of Travel?
>
>And, how can you have a Right to something extraordinary which can be
>prohibited because it obstructs the ordinary? You can't! If there
>must be a choice between the Ordinary manner of Travel and a certain
>extraordinary manner of Travel, the Right must always go with the
>Ordinary manner of Travel.
>
>If you have the Right to Travel on Public Highways, Roads, Paths and
>other Public Right of Ways, then you have the Right to Travel on Public
>Highways, and you have the Right to Travel on Public Roads, and you
>have the Right to Travel on Public Paths, and you have the Right to
>Travel on other Public Right of Ways.
>
>If you have the Right to Travel on Public Highways, then, formost, you
>have the Right to Travel on them in the manner Ordinarly used on them.
>The Ordinary manner yesterday was the Ordinary manner yesterday. The
>Ordinary manner today is the Ordinary manner today. The Ordinary
>manner tomorrow will be the Ordinary manner tomorrow.
>
>We have the Right to the Ordinary manner of Travel used on any
>particular stretch of Public Highway, Road, Path or other Public Right
>of Way at any particular time.



Here's more evidence of the RIGHT..

http://www.sagebrushnews.com/wise.htm

A Word To The Wise

Further enlightenment about the right to travel (drive)

By Jude Vollendorf, for the Sagebrush News


Last issue I talked about the right to drive, or travel, at some
length. But in conversations with friends (and foes) it has become
clear that people in general believe the fiction the state has
promulgated since the turn of the century—that travel on the roads in
a motor vehicle is a privilege. A privilege, of course, can be denied
at will. And the state has increasingly denied individuals the right
to travel for reasons further and further afield from regulating
traffic and public safety.
So I thought this time I would let the courts speak on the issue
and see if some understanding can be achieved by all sovereign
Citizens of the state of Oregon. There are many more quotes and cases
than what are listed here, but for space considerations these will
have to do.

"Personal liberty largely consists of the Right of locomotion -- to go
where and when one pleases -- only so far restrained as the Rights of
others may make it necessary for the welfare of all other citizens.
The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to
transport his property thereon, by horse-drawn carriage, wagon, or
automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or
prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right
to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Under this
Constitutional guarantee one may, therefore, under normal conditions,
travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public
places, and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner,
neither interfering with nor disturbing another's Rights, he will be
protected, not only in his person, but in his safe conduct."

II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329, p.1135

"The right to travel is an unconditional right which cannot be
conditioned by the legislature."

Dunn v. Blumstein, 405 U.S. 330, 341 (1972)

"Personal liberty -- consists of the power of locomotion, of changing
situations, of removing one's person to whatever place one's
inclination may direct, without imprisonment or restraint unless by
due process of law."

Bovier's Law Dictionary, 1914 ed., Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed.;

Blackstone's Commentary 134; Hare, Constitution, Pg. 777

"A right which is free and open to all is not the subject of
license."-- Freebourgh v. Dawson 274 F 420.

"Even the legislature has no power to deny to a citizen the right to
travel upon the highway and transport his property in the ordinary
course of his business or pleasure, though this right may be regulated
in accordance with the public interest and convenience." Chicago Motor
Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 22.

("Regulated" here means traffic safety enforcement: stop lights,
signs, etc.)

It could not be stated more conclusively that citizens of the states
have a right to travel, without approval or restrictions (license),
and that this right is protected under the U.S. Constitution. Here are
other court decisions that expound the same facts:

"The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen
cannot be deprived without due process of law under the 5th
Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.

"The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation
is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the
public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor
Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

"Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to move from one place
to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal
liberty, and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through
the territory of any State is a right secured by the 14th amendment
and by other provisions of the Constitution." Schactman v. Dulles, 96
App DC 287, 293.

"The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted
into a crime." Miller v. U.S., F.2d 486, 489.

"...Based upon the fundamental ground that the sovereign state has the
plenary control of the streets and highways in the exercise of its
police power (see police power, infra.), may absolutely prohibit the
use of the streets as a place for the prosecution of a private
business for gain. They all recognize the fundamental distinction
between the ordinary Right of the Citizen to use the streets in the
usual way and the use of the streets as a place of business or a main
instrumentality of business for private gain. The former is a common
Right; the latter is an extraordinary use. As to the former, the
legislative power is confined to regulation, as to the latter; it is
plenary and extends even to absolute prohibition. Since the use of the
streets by a common carrier in the prosecution of its business as such
is not a right but a mere license of privilege."

Hadfield vs. Lundin, 98 Wash 516

"There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this
exercise of constitutional rights." Sherer v. Cullen, 481 F 946.

"...For while a citizen has the right to travel upon the public
highways and to transport his property thereon, that right does not
extend to the use of the highways...as a place for private gain. For
the latter purpose, no person has a vested right to use the highways
of this state, but it is a privilege...which the (state) may grant or
withhold at its discretion..." State v. Johnson, 245 P 1073.

“The right to travel is implicated when a statute actually deters such
travel, when impeding travel is its primary objective, or when it uses
any classification which serves to penalize the exercise of that
right.

Mitchell v. Steffen, 504 N.W.2d 198, 200 (Minn. 1993) (citing Attorney
Gen. v. Soto-Lopez, 476 U.S. 898, 903, 106 S. Ct. 2317, 2320 (1986)),
cert. denied, 510 U.S. 1081 (1994)..

“The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.” Ninth
Amendment to the Constitution of the united States of America.



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Old July 22nd 05, 07:08 AM
Ashton Crusher
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On 20 Jul 2005 13:55:49 -0700, "John S." > wrote:

>
>
>proffsl wrote:
>> The US Supreme Court has recognized our Right of Locomotion:

>The remainder was snipped.
>
>Not this again...gawd! I thought this horse was beaten dead into the
>ground the last time you mentioned this nonsense.



Its amazing how some people like you are determined to stay under the
yoke of gvt no matter WHAT evidence is presented to you that YOU ARE
NOT.

==================

http://www.sagebrushnews.com/wise.htm

A Word To The Wise

Further enlightenment about the right to travel (drive)

By Jude Vollendorf, for the Sagebrush News


Last issue I talked about the right to drive, or travel, at some
length. But in conversations with friends (and foes) it has become
clear that people in general believe the fiction the state has
promulgated since the turn of the century—that travel on the roads in
a motor vehicle is a privilege. A privilege, of course, can be denied
at will. And the state has increasingly denied individuals the right
to travel for reasons further and further afield from regulating
traffic and public safety.
So I thought this time I would let the courts speak on the issue
and see if some understanding can be achieved by all sovereign
Citizens of the state of Oregon. There are many more quotes and cases
than what are listed here, but for space considerations these will
have to do.

"Personal liberty largely consists of the Right of locomotion -- to go
where and when one pleases -- only so far restrained as the Rights of
others may make it necessary for the welfare of all other citizens.
The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to
transport his property thereon, by horse-drawn carriage, wagon, or
automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or
prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right
to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Under this
Constitutional guarantee one may, therefore, under normal conditions,
travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public
places, and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner,
neither interfering with nor disturbing another's Rights, he will be
protected, not only in his person, but in his safe conduct."

II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329, p.1135

"The right to travel is an unconditional right which cannot be
conditioned by the legislature."

Dunn v. Blumstein, 405 U.S. 330, 341 (1972)

"Personal liberty -- consists of the power of locomotion, of changing
situations, of removing one's person to whatever place one's
inclination may direct, without imprisonment or restraint unless by
due process of law."

Bovier's Law Dictionary, 1914 ed., Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed.;

Blackstone's Commentary 134; Hare, Constitution, Pg. 777

"A right which is free and open to all is not the subject of
license."-- Freebourgh v. Dawson 274 F 420.

"Even the legislature has no power to deny to a citizen the right to
travel upon the highway and transport his property in the ordinary
course of his business or pleasure, though this right may be regulated
in accordance with the public interest and convenience." Chicago Motor
Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 22.

("Regulated" here means traffic safety enforcement: stop lights,
signs, etc.)

It could not be stated more conclusively that citizens of the states
have a right to travel, without approval or restrictions (license),
and that this right is protected under the U.S. Constitution. Here are
other court decisions that expound the same facts:

"The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen
cannot be deprived without due process of law under the 5th
Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.

"The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation
is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the
public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor
Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

"Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to move from one place
to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal
liberty, and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through
the territory of any State is a right secured by the 14th amendment
and by other provisions of the Constitution." Schactman v. Dulles, 96
App DC 287, 293.

"The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted
into a crime." Miller v. U.S., F.2d 486, 489.

"...Based upon the fundamental ground that the sovereign state has the
plenary control of the streets and highways in the exercise of its
police power (see police power, infra.), may absolutely prohibit the
use of the streets as a place for the prosecution of a private
business for gain. They all recognize the fundamental distinction
between the ordinary Right of the Citizen to use the streets in the
usual way and the use of the streets as a place of business or a main
instrumentality of business for private gain. The former is a common
Right; the latter is an extraordinary use. As to the former, the
legislative power is confined to regulation, as to the latter; it is
plenary and extends even to absolute prohibition. Since the use of the
streets by a common carrier in the prosecution of its business as such
is not a right but a mere license of privilege."

Hadfield vs. Lundin, 98 Wash 516

"There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this
exercise of constitutional rights." Sherer v. Cullen, 481 F 946.

"...For while a citizen has the right to travel upon the public
highways and to transport his property thereon, that right does not
extend to the use of the highways...as a place for private gain. For
the latter purpose, no person has a vested right to use the highways
of this state, but it is a privilege...which the (state) may grant or
withhold at its discretion..." State v. Johnson, 245 P 1073.

“The right to travel is implicated when a statute actually deters such
travel, when impeding travel is its primary objective, or when it uses
any classification which serves to penalize the exercise of that
right.

Mitchell v. Steffen, 504 N.W.2d 198, 200 (Minn. 1993) (citing Attorney
Gen. v. Soto-Lopez, 476 U.S. 898, 903, 106 S. Ct. 2317, 2320 (1986)),
cert. denied, 510 U.S. 1081 (1994)..

“The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be
construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.” Ninth
Amendment to the Constitution of the united States of America.



  #13  
Old July 22nd 05, 02:21 PM
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Ashton Crusher wrote:
> On 20 Jul 2005 13:55:49 -0700, "John S." > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >proffsl wrote:
> >> The US Supreme Court has recognized our Right of Locomotion:

> >The remainder was snipped.
> >
> >Not this again...gawd! I thought this horse was beaten dead into the
> >ground the last time you mentioned this nonsense.

>
>
> Its amazing how some people like you are determined to stay under the
> yoke of gvt no matter WHAT evidence is presented to you that YOU ARE
> NOT.
>

Oh gawd! I thought we only had one locomotion troll. Could it be
proffsl has mutated and now can multiply by cell division? Or maybe he
is just using another name. Hmmm...wonder which one it is. Since the
nonsense Ashton posted has many similarities to the proffsl posts I
think they are one in the same. We are probably safe...there appears
to be only one.

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Old July 22nd 05, 04:47 PM
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proffsl wrote:
>
> What I consider SPAM is when people respond to issues, with no
> intention of discussing the issue.


Except when the "issue" is a made-up one, where only one person
actually gives a ****.

> You've opened up dialog concerning the issue, weak as it might have
> been.


No, you're just trolling.

Nobody in r.a.d. seems to give one little rat's ass about your pet
project.

Maybe you'd have more luck in alt.kooks?

Now, don't get me wrong - I appreciate your motivations on the issue.
Obviously the right to drive is not your real motivation. Your real
motivation is to have a ****ing match in usenet. Otherwise you'd go
and do something real, instead of having your face glued to a monitor.

Oh, the right to drive? I couldn't care less. With every other issue
out there, up to and including the stuff I have to do when I get home
tonight, it ranks right down there with the reproductive habits of
archaebacteria.

E.P.

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Old July 22nd 05, 05:29 PM
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> [Typical Troll Spam Crap Deleted]


Do not presume to speak for others.

Do not presume to speak for me.

You respond to issues without addressing the issue.

You are a Troll. You spam usenet.

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Old July 22nd 05, 05:40 PM
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You are nothing but another Troll Spammer with Paranoid delusions.

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Old July 22nd 05, 07:00 PM
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proffsl wrote:
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> You are a Troll. You spam usenet.


LOL. Irony.

E.P.

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Old July 23rd 05, 01:30 AM
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On 22 Jul 2005 06:21:15 -0700, "John S." > wrote:

>
>
>Ashton Crusher wrote:
>> On 20 Jul 2005 13:55:49 -0700, "John S." > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >proffsl wrote:
>> >> The US Supreme Court has recognized our Right of Locomotion:
>> >The remainder was snipped.
>> >
>> >Not this again...gawd! I thought this horse was beaten dead into the
>> >ground the last time you mentioned this nonsense.

>>
>>
>> Its amazing how some people like you are determined to stay under the
>> yoke of gvt no matter WHAT evidence is presented to you that YOU ARE
>> NOT.
>>

>Oh gawd! I thought we only had one locomotion troll. Could it be
>proffsl has mutated and now can multiply by cell division? Or maybe he
>is just using another name. Hmmm...wonder which one it is. Since the
>nonsense Ashton posted has many similarities to the proffsl posts I
>think they are one in the same. We are probably safe...there appears
>to be only one.



Instead of attacking the posters, why don't you explain why the court
rulings are wrong and why you WANT to be under the yoke of gvt and NOT
free to travel and use public highways without a license?
  #19  
Old July 23rd 05, 01:33 AM
Ashton Crusher
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On 22 Jul 2005 08:47:08 -0700, wrote:

>
>
>proffsl wrote:
>>
>> What I consider SPAM is when people respond to issues, with no
>> intention of discussing the issue.

>
>Except when the "issue" is a made-up one, where only one person
>actually gives a ****.
>
>> You've opened up dialog concerning the issue, weak as it might have
>> been.

>
>No, you're just trolling.
>
>Nobody in r.a.d. seems to give one little rat's ass about your pet
>project.
>
>Maybe you'd have more luck in alt.kooks?
>
>Now, don't get me wrong - I appreciate your motivations on the issue.
>Obviously the right to drive is not your real motivation. Your real
>motivation is to have a ****ing match in usenet. Otherwise you'd go
>and do something real, instead of having your face glued to a monitor.
>
>Oh, the right to drive? I couldn't care less. With every other issue
>out there, up to and including the stuff I have to do when I get home
>tonight, it ranks right down there with the reproductive habits of
>archaebacteria.
>
>E.P.



Wow, what an incredible statement. One of THE most basic freedoms a
person can have is the right to move unimpeded by gvt control and you
say that's something you could not care less about. I suppose you
don't give a rat's ass about your free speech rights either and think
the gvt would be within it's "rights" to require you to get a license
in order to use the Internet. It's no wonder this once great country
is going to hell in a hand basket with people who think like you
around.
  #20  
Old July 23rd 05, 02:40 AM
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"Ashton Crusher" > wrote in message
...
> On 22 Jul 2005 06:21:15 -0700, "John S." > wrote:
>
>
> Instead of attacking the posters, why don't you explain why the court
> rulings are wrong and why you WANT to be under the yoke of gvt and NOT
> free to travel and use public highways without a license?


That is a excellent question!


 




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