Question: vehicle inspections

Most of my life in California and Oregon.
I don't believe any of the western states do inspections other than emissions.
Rarely ever see a broken down car along the highway.
What's the purpose of the inspections by some of the eastern states? Just a money grab? Is it really safer to drive within said 'inspection states'?
(I hear that in Germany you cannot drive with dents). Crazy!
Ivan Vegvary

> (I hear that in Germany you cannot drive with dents). Crazy!
> Ivan Vegvary

When I was in Germany, beat up old cars were sold to US soldiers, who had a lower standard. My fave repair shop today told me that they knew several who went out of business refusing to play along with new inspection rules designed to give money to relatives of crooked politicians.

I now think there is a movement to prevent poor folks from having cars, judging by several small new annoyances.

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 10:21:03 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> > (I hear that in Germany you cannot drive with dents). Crazy!
> > Ivan Vegvary
>
> When I was in Germany, beat up old cars were sold to US soldiers, who had a lower standard. My fave repair shop today told me that they knew several who went out of business refusing to play along with new inspection rules designed to give money to relatives of crooked politicians.
>
> I now think there is a movement to prevent poor folks from having cars, judging by several small new annoyances.

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Ivan Vegvary wrote:
> Most of my life in California and Oregon. I don't believe any of the
> western states do inspections other than emissions. Rarely ever see a
> broken down car along the highway. What's the purpose of the
> inspections by some of the eastern states? Just a money grab? Is it
> really safer to drive within said 'inspection states'? (I hear that
> in Germany you cannot drive with dents). Crazy! Ivan Vegvary


IF the inspections were done by the book the vehicles would be safer and
the roads as well as part of the inspection is looking for leaks. BUT
like many other things the inspection comes down to the people doing them.
In NY at least, the biggest thing is a real lack of
enforcement/accountability in the process. Shops get away with simply
plugging in the computer and slapping on the sticker. There are areas
where they are supposed to look and check components and they don't. The
state will run a few sting cars now and again but usually that is only
due to complaints. What needs to happen is one of two options. Remodel
the system so that each of the inspection items gets recorded (like tire
tread, brake pad/shoe thickness, etc) and the inspector becoming liable
if something they sign off on becomes an issue. That would be fought
tooth and nail by the shops. The other option would be to eliminate
inspections as they have largely been useless anyway.

--
Steve W.

On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 06:46:21 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary
> wrote:

>Most of my life in California and Oregon.
>I don't believe any of the western states do inspections other than emissions.
>Rarely ever see a broken down car along the highway.
>What's the purpose of the inspections by some of the eastern states? Just a money grab? Is it really safer to drive within said 'inspection states'?
>(I hear that in Germany you cannot drive with dents). Crazy!
>Ivan Vegvary

IMHO they are worthless and just a way for shops and politicians to
pull in money. I have seen a couple studies over the years that
documented the worthlessness of these "safety inspections". It is
exceptionally rare for any vehicle to have something break that causes
an accident and in virtually every case when something like that does
happen it would not have been prevented by an annual inspection. Is
it possible that 00.003% of the accidents could be prevented by really
tough safety inspections? Sure, it's possible. You could also
mandate everyone buy new tires every two years and reduce the number
of accidents caused by blowouts. Everything has a price and the
cost-benefit ratio of these inspections is unquestionably negative,
except as I said, to the shops and politicians.

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 8:03:03 PM UTC-5, Ashton Crusher wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 06:46:21 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary
> > wrote:
>
> >Most of my life in California and Oregon.
> >I don't believe any of the western states do inspections other than emissions.
> >Rarely ever see a broken down car along the highway.
> >What's the purpose of the inspections by some of the eastern states? Just a money grab? Is it really safer to drive within said 'inspection states'?
> >(I hear that in Germany you cannot drive with dents). Crazy!
> >Ivan Vegvary
>
> IMHO they are worthless and just a way for shops and politicians to
> pull in money. I have seen a couple studies over the years that
> documented the worthlessness of these "safety inspections". It is
> exceptionally rare for any vehicle to have something break that causes
> an accident and in virtually every case when something like that does
> happen it would not have been prevented by an annual inspection. Is
> it possible that 00.003% of the accidents could be prevented by really
> tough safety inspections? Sure, it's possible. You could also
> mandate everyone buy new tires every two years and reduce the number
> of accidents caused by blowouts. Everything has a price and the
> cost-benefit ratio of these inspections is unquestionably negative,
> except as I said, to the shops and politicians.

MOT and similar auto inspections in Europe. They check everything, I think so.

On 3/21/2015 5:37 PM, JR wrote:
> On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 8:03:03 PM UTC-5, Ashton Crusher wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 06:46:21 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Most of my life in California and Oregon.
>>> I don't believe any of the western states do inspections other than emissions.
>>> Rarely ever see a broken down car along the highway.
>>> What's the purpose of the inspections by some of the eastern states? Just a money grab? Is it really safer to drive within said 'inspection states'?
>>> (I hear that in Germany you cannot drive with dents). Crazy!
>>> Ivan Vegvary
>>
>> IMHO they are worthless and just a way for shops and politicians to
>> pull in money. I have seen a couple studies over the years that
>> documented the worthlessness of these "safety inspections". It is
>> exceptionally rare for any vehicle to have something break that causes
>> an accident and in virtually every case when something like that does
>> happen it would not have been prevented by an annual inspection. Is
>> it possible that 00.003% of the accidents could be prevented by really
>> tough safety inspections? Sure, it's possible. You could also
>> mandate everyone buy new tires every two years and reduce the number
>> of accidents caused by blowouts. Everything has a price and the
>> cost-benefit ratio of these inspections is unquestionably negative,
>> except as I said, to the shops and politicians.
>
> MOT and similar auto inspections in Europe. They check everything, I think so.
>

I noticed in the UK that there didn't seem to be any old junkers on the
road. Where the heck do all the older cars go? I did see a 70s Austin
Marina. It was restored and I just had to take some pictures. I would
have liked to have taken pictures of old English/European cars but I
didn't see any.

On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 2:28:06 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On 3/21/2015 5:37 PM, JR wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 8:03:03 PM UTC-5, Ashton Crusher wrote:
> >> On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 06:46:21 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Most of my life in California and Oregon.
> >>> I don't believe any of the western states do inspections other than emissions.
> >>> Rarely ever see a broken down car along the highway.
> >>> What's the purpose of the inspections by some of the eastern states? Just a money grab? Is it really safer to drive within said 'inspection states'?
> >>> (I hear that in Germany you cannot drive with dents). Crazy!
> >>> Ivan Vegvary
> >>
> >> IMHO they are worthless and just a way for shops and politicians to
> >> pull in money. I have seen a couple studies over the years that
> >> documented the worthlessness of these "safety inspections". It is
> >> exceptionally rare for any vehicle to have something break that causes
> >> an accident and in virtually every case when something like that does
> >> happen it would not have been prevented by an annual inspection. Is
> >> it possible that 00.003% of the accidents could be prevented by really
> >> tough safety inspections? Sure, it's possible. You could also
> >> mandate everyone buy new tires every two years and reduce the number
> >> of accidents caused by blowouts. Everything has a price and the
> >> cost-benefit ratio of these inspections is unquestionably negative,
> >> except as I said, to the shops and politicians.
> >
> > MOT and similar auto inspections in Europe. They check everything, I think so.
> >
>
> I noticed in the UK that there didn't seem to be any old junkers on the
> road. Where the heck do all the older cars go? I did see a 70s Austin
> Marina. It was restored and I just had to take some pictures. I would
> have liked to have taken pictures of old English/European cars but I
> didn't see any.

I believe any old British, or whatever Country cars in Britian, they must meet certain British MOT regulations before they can be qualified to be driven on the roads. Google,,, Wheeler Dealers Youtube

On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 4:10:09 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:
> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 2:28:06 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On 3/21/2015 5:37 PM, JR wrote:
> > > On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 8:03:03 PM UTC-5, Ashton Crusher wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 06:46:21 -0700 (PDT), Ivan Vegvary
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Most of my life in California and Oregon.
> > >>> I don't believe any of the western states do inspections other than emissions.
> > >>> Rarely ever see a broken down car along the highway.
> > >>> What's the purpose of the inspections by some of the eastern states? Just a money grab? Is it really safer to drive within said 'inspection states'?
> > >>> (I hear that in Germany you cannot drive with dents). Crazy!
> > >>> Ivan Vegvary
> > >>
> > >> IMHO they are worthless and just a way for shops and politicians to
> > >> pull in money. I have seen a couple studies over the years that
> > >> documented the worthlessness of these "safety inspections". It is
> > >> exceptionally rare for any vehicle to have something break that causes
> > >> an accident and in virtually every case when something like that does
> > >> happen it would not have been prevented by an annual inspection. Is
> > >> it possible that 00.003% of the accidents could be prevented by really
> > >> tough safety inspections? Sure, it's possible. You could also
> > >> mandate everyone buy new tires every two years and reduce the number
> > >> of accidents caused by blowouts. Everything has a price and the
> > >> cost-benefit ratio of these inspections is unquestionably negative,
> > >> except as I said, to the shops and politicians.
> > >
> > > MOT and similar auto inspections in Europe. They check everything, I think so.
> > >
> >
> > I noticed in the UK that there didn't seem to be any old junkers on the
> > road. Where the heck do all the older cars go? I did see a 70s Austin
> > Marina. It was restored and I just had to take some pictures. I would
> > have liked to have taken pictures of old English/European cars but I
> > didn't see any.
>
> I believe any old British, or whatever Country cars in Britian, they must meet certain British MOT regulations before they can be qualified to be driven on the roads. Google,,, Wheeler Dealers Youtube



Maryland has one inspection when you buy the car. Very strict too. But you only have to do it once. Then only emissions after that.