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L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11 wrote:
> Roughly 1/9/04 17:03, Douglas A. Shrader's monkeys randomly typed:
>
>>
>> No, I'm not. I have a 1980 Jeep CJ-7 with part time 4WD, it has 4
>> high, 4 low, and 2 high, and warn lockout hubs.
>
> That is a part time 4wd that agrees with the definition Jeep
> themselves uses.
>
>
>> The confusion here was between the old style fulltime 4x4's like the
>> 78 Jeep J-10 with Quadratrac that drove horribly, like a part time
>> 4x4 locked in 4WD mode on drive pavement, .and the Modern 4x4's with
>> a third differential that eliminates the biding the old stule system
>> suffered from. Call me old but when someone says fulltime the old
>> style is what I think of.
>
> Bummer, but there is a difference between a crappy implementation
> and the concept. Much earlier than 1978, the Jensen Interceptor
> had full time 4wd by Ferguson... and could take the torque of a
> 440 wedge or 426 hemi. Plus the Audi Quattro.
>
The viscous diff was also used on Range Rovers and Ford Sierra 4x4 cars
around the late 80's/early 90's. They have a tendancy to seize in older RR's
giving the tyre wear and fuel consumption problems you described.

> Most jeeps still had part time 4wd...
>>>
>>>> The 1978 Jeep J-20 pickup with quadratrac was full time four wheel
>>>> drive with only two Differentials, and as I stated you could
>>>> barely make a
>> turn
>>>> with it, I had to back up three times just to make it around the
>>>> Taco Bell
>
> Yeah, you keep stating that, but in fact it DID have a differential
> and a vacuum lock called Emergency Drive that could more or less
> lock the front and rear in the Xfer case.
>
> Of course you could do the same thing by putting the wrong
> transmission fluid in it.
>
>
>>
>> Mine wouldn't slip. Perhaps it was supposed to, but it never did. If
>> you needed to make a sharp turn forget it, you had to back up
>> several times to make the turn.
>
> It was supposed to. Many didn't. Some had help.

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>>
>> You insisted many times that the full-time 4WD setup you were
>> describing had no centre diff, which it does, this is why the
>> question never got a satisfactory answer.
>
> Well, no, not that you could see. However I can see where it may have
> been incorporated into the transfer case, so that blunder was mine,
> and I apologize.
>
>>
>> To conclude, I agree with you - if that was the type full-time 4WD
>> available I too would prefer part-time, but I think a proper
>> permanent 4WD system is on balance superior.
>
> Perhaps I'll try one one my next truck, they do sound far superior to
> what I had. I also hope the next time a thread like this starts I
> stay out of it. ;-)

Never mind - at least we got to the end of it!

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>>
>> You insisted many times that the full-time 4WD setup you were
>> describing had no centre diff, which it does, this is why the
>> question never got a satisfactory answer.
>
> Well, no, not that you could see. However I can see where it may have
> been incorporated into the transfer case, so that blunder was mine,
> and I apologize.
>
>>
>> To conclude, I agree with you - if that was the type full-time 4WD
>> available I too would prefer part-time, but I think a proper
>> permanent 4WD system is on balance superior.
>
> Perhaps I'll try one one my next truck, they do sound far superior to
> what I had. I also hope the next time a thread like this starts I
> stay out of it. ;-)

Never mind - at least we got to the end of it!

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Roughly 1/9/04 18:08, Douglas A. Shrader's monkeys randomly typed:

>
> Jerry Bransford. He doesn't seem to post much lately. I had hoped he would
> say something in this thread, he's pretty sharp on the uptake and could have
> clarified a few things for both sides, or so I hoped. .

Jerry hangs out pretty regularly over on r.a.m.j+w altho haven't seen
him there lately. Also Mike Romain who is recovering from a
nasty vehicle accident and "treatment" by a socialized medical
system.

Roughly 1/9/04 18:08, Douglas A. Shrader's monkeys randomly typed:

>
> Jerry Bransford. He doesn't seem to post much lately. I had hoped he would
> say something in this thread, he's pretty sharp on the uptake and could have
> clarified a few things for both sides, or so I hoped. .

Jerry hangs out pretty regularly over on r.a.m.j+w altho haven't seen
him there lately. Also Mike Romain who is recovering from a
nasty vehicle accident and "treatment" by a socialized medical
system.