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04 Rubicon
"Chuck" > wrote in message ... > Anyone have a link to the 04 Jeep Brochure? > My warn bumper in the rear say's for "pulling not towing" - does anyone > know > what's up with that? Sounds like they're trying to cover their butts... > What's the best product to cover fender flare scratches? Mud! Ray |
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: "Chuck" > wrote in message : ... :> Anyone have a link to the 04 Jeep Brochure? :> My warn bumper in the rear say's for "pulling not towing" - does anyone :> know :> what's up with that? I have a DayStar Rock Krusher rear bumper on my 03 Rubicon, and it also has a sticker on it that says the built in 2" receiver is for vehicle recovery use only and not for pulling trailers. I would also assume it is to cover their butts since vehicle recovery would potentially put a lot more pull on it than any trailer a Wrangler is rated to pull. : Sounds like they're trying to cover their butts... Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire Carrier (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson Classic Lock Wheels Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch |
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Jeff Hendron wrote:
> I have a DayStar Rock Krusher rear bumper on my 03 Rubicon, and it also has a > sticker on it that says the built in 2" receiver is for vehicle recovery use > only and not for pulling trailers. I would also assume it is to cover their > butts since vehicle recovery would potentially put a lot more pull on it than > any trailer a Wrangler is rated to pull. That is for sure since trailer towing of the type a Jeep Wrangler is suited for doesn't really put much strain on a bumper. -- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
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Have you ever looked at how solid the bumper is bolted on or at what the
bumper is bolted on to??? Only a few bolts into a cross member that really isn't very structural for a pull. For towing, you need the hitch bolted onto the frame or major angle bracing to hold the cross member and bumper to the frame tails if you want to have the bumper structurally sound for pulling. They correctly figure you are going to tear it off (stock bumpers with bumper hitches get ripped off all the time in an extraction, it seldom works out of mud) so figure it is safer to have a mud pit missile than a trailer on the highway going it's own way. My $0.02, Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Jeff Hendron wrote: > > o|||||||o Ray > wrote: > > : "Chuck" > wrote in message > : ... > :> Anyone have a link to the 04 Jeep Brochure? > > :> My warn bumper in the rear say's for "pulling not towing" - does anyone > :> know > :> what's up with that? > > I have a DayStar Rock Krusher rear bumper on my 03 Rubicon, and it also has a > sticker on it that says the built in 2" receiver is for vehicle recovery use > only and not for pulling trailers. I would also assume it is to cover their > butts since vehicle recovery would potentially put a lot more pull on it than > any trailer a Wrangler is rated to pull. > > : Sounds like they're trying to cover their butts... > > Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon > MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects > Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper > Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire Carrier > (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson Classic Lock Wheels > Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch |
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True - the factory tow bar has substantial 1/4" angle bracing and bolts onto
the frame in 6 places (two each side of the frame rails, and a bolt underneath each side). I wouldn't even give that pathetic piece of sheet metal the dignity of the name "cross member". Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Mike Romain" > wrote in message ... > Have you ever looked at how solid the bumper is bolted on or at what the > bumper is bolted on to??? Only a few bolts into a cross member that > really isn't very structural for a pull. > > For towing, you need the hitch bolted onto the frame or major angle > bracing to hold the cross member and bumper to the frame tails if you > want to have the bumper structurally sound for pulling. > > They correctly figure you are going to tear it off (stock bumpers with > bumper hitches get ripped off all the time in an extraction, it seldom > works out of mud) so figure it is safer to have a mud pit missile than a > trailer on the highway going it's own way. > > My $0.02, > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Jeff Hendron wrote: > > > > o|||||||o Ray > wrote: > > > > : "Chuck" > wrote in message > > : ... > > :> Anyone have a link to the 04 Jeep Brochure? > > > > :> My warn bumper in the rear say's for "pulling not towing" - does anyone > > :> know > > :> what's up with that? > > > > I have a DayStar Rock Krusher rear bumper on my 03 Rubicon, and it also has a > > sticker on it that says the built in 2" receiver is for vehicle recovery use > > only and not for pulling trailers. I would also assume it is to cover their > > butts since vehicle recovery would potentially put a lot more pull on it than > > any trailer a Wrangler is rated to pull. > > > > : Sounds like they're trying to cover their butts... > > > > Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon > > MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects > > Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper > > Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire Carrier > > (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson Classic Lock Wheels > > Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch |
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It's a good idea. The LandRover rear cross member is a massive channel
section effort, which the rear PTO came through. It was a lot more substantial than most bumpers ! -- Dave Milne, Scotland '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ "Jeff Hendron" > wrote in message ... > I agree with the flimsy material they used across the frame rails in the back. > I had 1/4" steel cut the same size and shape as what is already back there > welded to the existing one and then have heavy angle bracing on both sides > where the frame rails meet the plate in the back. They use the two holes in > the frame near the back and two holes that go through the "cross member" and > bumper. > > > Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon > MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects > Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper > Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire Carrier > (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson Classic Lock Wheels > Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch > > Yamaha WR250ZF > > Dave Milne > wrote: > : True - the factory tow bar has substantial 1/4" angle bracing and bolts onto > : the frame in 6 places (two each side of the frame rails, and a bolt > : underneath each side). I wouldn't even give that pathetic piece of sheet > : metal the dignity of the name "cross member". > > : Dave Milne, Scotland > : '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ > > : "Mike Romain" > wrote in message > : ... > :> Have you ever looked at how solid the bumper is bolted on or at what the > :> bumper is bolted on to??? Only a few bolts into a cross member that > :> really isn't very structural for a pull. > :> > :> For towing, you need the hitch bolted onto the frame or major angle > :> bracing to hold the cross member and bumper to the frame tails if you > :> want to have the bumper structurally sound for pulling. > :> > :> They correctly figure you are going to tear it off (stock bumpers with > :> bumper hitches get ripped off all the time in an extraction, it seldom > :> works out of mud) so figure it is safer to have a mud pit missile than a > :> trailer on the highway going it's own way. > :> > :> My $0.02, > :> > :> Mike > :> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > :> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
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The two inch receiver is designed to use a two inch trailer ball,
class III hitch, that supports three thousand pounds of tongue weight, something that would turn your axle into a U. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ Jeff Hendron wrote: > > I have a DayStar Rock Krusher rear bumper on my 03 Rubicon, and it also has a > sticker on it that says the built in 2" receiver is for vehicle recovery use > only and not for pulling trailers. I would also assume it is to cover their > butts since vehicle recovery would potentially put a lot more pull on it than > any trailer a Wrangler is rated to pull. > > : Sounds like they're trying to cover their butts... > > Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon > MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects > Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper > Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire Carrier > (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson Classic Lock Wheels > Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch |
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are you sure that's not three "hundred" pounds of tongue weight???
martin caskey millers island, maryland L=2EW. Hughes III (=DFill) wrote: > The two inch receiver is designed to use a two inch trailer ball, > class III hitch, that supports three thousand pounds of tongue weight, > something that would turn your axle into a U. > God Bless America, =DFill O|||||||O > http://www.billhughes.com/ > > Jeff Hendron wrote: > > > > I have a DayStar Rock Krusher rear bumper on my 03 Rubicon, and it also has a > > sticker on it that says the built in 2" receiver is for vehicle recovery use > > only and not for pulling trailers. I would also assume it is to cover their > > butts since vehicle recovery would potentially put a lot more pull on it than > > any trailer a Wrangler is rated to pull. > > > > : Sounds like they're trying to cover their butts... > > > > Jeff Hendron 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon > > MatrixOne Support Skyjacker 4" lift, JKS Disconnects > > Agilent Technologies Fabtech Front Bumper, Rock Krusher Rear Bumper > > Co Springs, Colorado Rock Krusher Rock Rails, Custom Swingout Tire Carrier > > (719) 531-4319 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's, Mickey Thompson Classic Lock Wheels > > Bush Whacker Fender Flares, Warn XD9000i Winch |
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You are right: http://www.trailer-hitches.com/ I guess I was
thinking half the Gross Vehicle Weight, capacity of a two inch ball God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ " wrote: > > are you sure that's not three "hundred" pounds of tongue weight??? > > martin caskey > millers island, maryland |
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