Cop charged with raping woman during traffic stop

"Dark Magus" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:19:56 -0700, "Michael Snyder"
> > wrote:
>
> >Yeah, she may be telling the truth when she says she was in fear
> >for her life, but that doesn't mean she was ever actually in *danger*
> >of her life. Just means she's not in touch with reality.
>
> >Which doesn't make him a rapist.
>
> Well, folks, after a long wait we finally have a winner!
>
> The winner of today's Non-Sequitur Award is none other than "Michael
> Snyder".

Thank you! Thank you very much! I'd like to thank all the
wonderful people without whose help I could not have
been here with you today.

> According to "Michael Snyder", if you rape a woman

Ho!!! Stop right there. Apparently your entire premise is
based on the presumption of guilt!

> and she is scared
> out of her wits, that means she's not in touch with reality and
> therefore you are not a rapist!

Strike the word "and". What I *actually* said, before you
did your best to set yourself up a nice little straw man, was
this: The fact that she was scared out of her wits does not
make him a rapist.


> Way to go, "Michael Snyder". That was one of the best non-sequiturs in
> a long time.

Way to go, Dark Dingus. That was one of the best straw-men
in a long time.

"Dark Magus" > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 15:03:08 -0700, "Michael Snyder"
> > wrote:
>
> >Well, don't neglect the possibility that he didn't do it.
>
> How did his DNA get in her vagina?

Who told you that it did, Dingus? The report was
that it was found in her UNDERWEAR.

"Dark Magus" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:18:33 -0700, "Michael Snyder"
> > wrote:
>
> >That still doesn't make it rape -- at least not violent forcible rape.
>
> You just keep going and going and going...
>
> Now we have "rape" and "violent forcible rape".
>
> LOL
>
> Next thing you will be telling us is there's "half pregnant" and "full
> pregnant".

Congratulations, Dingus. I only met you three posts ago,
and already I'm on the verge of deciding that you're not
worth my attention.

On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:16:53 -0700, "Michael Snyder"
> wrote:

>The fact that she was scared out of her wits does not
>make him a rapist.

Here we have a 55 year old woman, presumed mature in sexual matters,
who is not being raped even though she is scared out of her wits.

If she is not being raped, then she must be into some very bizarre sex
- like the kind some idiots practice when they deliberately suffocate
themselves to achieve a heightened orgasm.

So you claim this woman gets off by having the wits scared out of her.
I suppose that is possible.


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On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:18:25 -0700, "Michael Snyder"
> wrote:

>> Next thing you will be telling us is there's "half pregnant" and "full
>> pregnant".

>Congratulations, Dingus. I only met you three posts ago,
>and already I'm on the verge of deciding that you're not
>worth my attention.

Go ahead and run off if you can't handle my criticisms. That tells us
you are 13 years old.

Don't forget to plonk on your way out.


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"Dark Magus" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:18:25 -0700, "Michael Snyder"
> > wrote:
>
> >> Next thing you will be telling us is there's "half pregnant" and "full
> >> pregnant".
>
> >Congratulations, Dingus. I only met you three posts ago,
> >and already I'm on the verge of deciding that you're not
> >worth my attention.
>
> Go ahead and run off if you can't handle my criticisms. That tells us
> you are 13 years old.

.... by "us", I presume you are referring to all the lurkers who support you.


> Don't forget to plonk on your way out.

<plonk>

Michael Snyder wrote:
> "E/C Annie" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Michael Snyder wrote:
> > > "E/C Annie" > wrote in message
> > > oups.com...
> > > > Lot more detail in this article. Can't believe this officer thought
> > > > he'd get away with this. Probably thought she'd never open her mouth
> > > > because she has a record.
> > >
> > > Well, don't neglect the possibility that he didn't do it.
> > >
> > > Even if her story is true, she does not appear to have ever said 'no',
> > > or indicated non-consent. She says that she feared for her life, but
> > > she never says that he threatened her. The way she tells it (assuming
> > > 100% credibility on her part), how was he to know she wasn't
> > > willing? She even suggested to him that she would like to meet
> > > up with him later!
> >
> > True enough. However, why did he lie and say there was no sexual
> > contact? He denied it in March and again this week after DNA results
> > came in.
>
> Maybe there wasn't.
>
> Maybe there was, and her story is 100% factual. And he lied.
> That still doesn't make it rape -- at least not violent forcible rape.

The stuff going on in Iraq -- is that war or is it violent forcible
war?

>
> I'm not gonna argue that it's OK for a cop to have sex with
> someone he/she has in custody.

But you believe it is OK, right? Come on and admit it.

> But it could be that SHE
> offered to have sex with him if he'd let her go. Not the least
> bit inconsistant with her story, just requires that she left
> a few details out.

Is that what you would do if you were in her position?

>
> Wouldn't make him right -- but wouldn't make him a rapist.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Laurel officer charged in rape
> > > > DNA evidence of passenger in traffic stop leads to arrest
> > > > By CRIS BARRISH and TERRI SANGINITI
> > > > The News Journal
> > > > 06/29/2006
> > > >
> > > > State police charged a Laurel police officer Wednesday in the March
> > > > rape of a 55-year-old woman during an early-morning traffic stop near
> > > > Delmar.
> > > >
> > > > Cpl. Kevin D. Hovatter, 28, of Laurel, was charged with two counts of
> > > > rape and single counts of official misconduct and coercion. Hovatter
> > > > was arraigned and freed on $72,000 secured bail. A preliminary hearing
> > > > has been scheduled for July 6 in Sussex County Court of Common Pleas.
> > > >
> > > > Hovatter, a four-year veteran of the force, could not be reached late
> > > > Wednesday.
> > > > Advertisement
> > > >
> > > > He had been on paid administrative leave since the woman contacted
> > > > police March 25, about 12 hours after the attack, Laurel chief Michael
> > > > J. Wilson said. Wednesday, Wilson placed Hovatter on unpaid leave
> > > > pending the case's outcome.
> > > >
> > > > "This is alarming to us," Wilson said.
> > > >
> > > > The victim contacted The News Journal in May with details about the
> > > > "absolutely horrifying" assault. Key details she discussed were
> > > > virtually identical to those in the arrest affidavit filed Wednesday.
> > > >
> > > > Hovatter had admitted to state police detectives that he had the woman
> > > > in his cruiser about 3 a.m. March 25, but he said no sexual contact
> had
> > > > occurred, the affidavit said.
> > > >
> > > > Laboratory results received by detectives last week, however, showed
> > > > that DNA on the woman's underwear matched Hovatter's, police said.
> > > >
> > > > Detectives questioned Hovatter again Wednesday, and he again denied
> > > > having sexual contact with the woman, state police spokesman Cpl. Jeff
> > > > Oldham said.
> > > >
> > > > The name of the woman is being withheld by the newspaper in keeping
> > > > with its policy of not identifying sexual assault victims. Repeated
> > > > attempts to reach her Wednesday were unsuccessful.
> > > >
> > > > Victim told to get in cruiser
> > > >
> > > > According to Hovatter's arrest affidavit, he was in uniform, on duty
> > > > and driving a marked patrol car at about 3 a.m. March 25 when he
> > > > followed the victim and her husband as they drove a blue Ford sedan on
> > > > U.S. 13A out of Laurel. He stopped them as they neared Delmar, Del.
> > > >
> > > > The officer told the woman to get out of the car, the affidavit said,
> > > > and she told her husband to leave the scene as she was being placed in
> > > > the back of the patrol car. Police said in court records the victim's
> > > > husband was a habitual suspended driver, which is probably why he
> drove
> > > > away.
> > > >
> > > > At about 2 p.m. that day, the victim contacted investigators and said
> > > > the officer drove her to a dark road, where he ordered her out of the
> > > > car then forced her to engage in sex acts, the affidavit said.
> > > >
> > > > She said the sex was not consensual, and she complied because the
> > > > officer was in a position of authority and she perceived "the threat
> of
> > > > death or physical injury by the armed officer if she did not comply,"
> > > > the affidavit said.
> > > >
> > > > Afterward, the affidavit said, "she thought that he was going to shoot
> > > > her in the head but instead he told her get in the car ... then took
> > > > her home."
> > > >
> > > > Investigation begins
> > > >
> > > > A detective interviewed Hovatter at about 5:30 p.m. March 25, and he
> > > > "advised he never had any sexual contact" with the woman, the
> affidavit
> > > > said.
> > > >
> > > > However, when DNA samples taken from the victim and the officer were
> > > > analyzed at the state Medical Examiner's Office, it was determined
> that
> > > > the woman's sample was consistent with the officer's DNA profile.
> > > >
> > > > Chief Wilson, who took over the 12-person force of the western Sussex
> > > > town in mid-April, said Hovatter's arrest could damage officers'
> > > > credibility.
> > > >
> > > > "I'm trying to turn around and put a new outlook on things for the
> > > > citizens toward us," Wilson said. "This is a hard hit."
> > > >
> > > > Victim recounts meeting officer
> > > >
> > > > On May 18, the woman contacted the newspaper and said she thought the
> > > > police were not taking her case seriously.
> > > >
> > > > At the time, state police said they were awaiting the DNA results.
> > > >
> > > > In an hourlong telephone interview, she gave a detailed account of the
> > > > encounter.
> > > >
> > > > On a Friday night, March 24, she had spent time watching a band at the
> > > > Goose Pit in Laurel, and had a few vodka drinks.
> > > >
> > > > "I was not intoxicated," she said.
> > > >
> > > > When the club let out at 2 a.m., she left and walked to a nearby
> > > > laundromat, where she phoned her husband for a ride home.
> > > >
> > > > While waiting for him to arrive, a town of Laurel police cruiser
> pulled
> > > > up, and the officer, who she said she later learned was Hovatter,
> asked
> > > > why she was standing alone.
> > > >
> > > > "I'm going home. Is there a problem, sir?" she recalled saying.
> > > >
> > > > She said Hovatter replied: "I'm wondering why you are standing here.
> > > > What are you going to do after you get home?"
> > > >
> > > > Her husband arrived minutes later, and the pair drove way.
> > > >
> > > > After a couple of turns, her husband, who was driving with a suspended
> > > > license, told her they were being followed by a police car.
> > > >
> > > > The cruiser disappeared from their view momentarily, but then lights
> > > > from a police vehicle behind them signaled her husband to pull over.
> > > >
> > > > The officer appeared at the driver's side window, and shined a
> > > > flashlight in her husband's face.
> > > >
> > > > "Can you tell me why you stopped us?" she recalled asking.
> > > >
> > > > She said the officer told her to get out of the sedan.
> > > >
> > > > She complied and told her husband to leave, and he drove away. Her
> > > > husband, who also spoke to the newspaper last month, said he left
> > > > because, "I didn't have a license."
> > > >
> > > > The woman, who said she has a criminal record, including convictions
> > > > for public drunkenness, disorderly conduct a few years ago and for
> > > > robbery in the early 1970s, said she feared there might be a warrant
> > > > out for her arrest, but couldn't think of any reason she might be
> > > > wanted.
> > > >
> > > > She got in the back seat "and he did not handcuff me," she said.
> > > >
> > > > Fearing for her life
> > > >
> > > > The officer began driving down a rural road and stopped the vehicle.
> > > > The victim said Hovatter raped here there.
> > > >
> > > > "I thought, 'I don't believe this is happening,' " she said, and she
> > > > thought, "Now I know he's going to kill me."
> > > >
> > > > Instead, she said, he zipped his pants and ordered her into the car.
> > > >
> > > > "I also told him, 'I can meet you later' ... I didn't want him to
> think
> > > > I was going to turn him in," she said.
> > > >
> > > > Hovatter dropped her off at a retail store near her home, she said.
> "He
> > > > told me tell my husband it was a mistaken identity," and that's what
> > > > she did, the woman said.
> > > >
> > > > Later, she said, she called her sister, who asked her what was wrong.
> > > > She recounted the assault, and her sister persuaded her to go to
> > > > Nanticoke Memorial Hospital in Seaford and contact police.
> > > >
> > > > As the weeks passed without an arrest, the woman said she had
> > > > difficulty contacting the detective on her case, and became fearful
> for
> > > > her safety because Hovatter was free and knew where she lived.
> > > >
> > > > "I'm scared to walk to my door," she told The News Journal. "Every
> time
> > > > I walk to my door I think it's him."
> > > >
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/fyvj7
> > > >
> >

Michael Snyder wrote:
> "Dark Magus" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:18:25 -0700, "Michael Snyder"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >> Next thing you will be telling us is there's "half pregnant" and "full
> > >> pregnant".
> >
> > >Congratulations, Dingus. I only met you three posts ago,
> > >and already I'm on the verge of deciding that you're not
> > >worth my attention.
> >
> > Go ahead and run off if you can't handle my criticisms. That tells us
> > you are 13 years old.
>
> ... by "us", I presume you are referring to all the lurkers who support you.
>
>
> > Don't forget to plonk on your way out.
>
> <plonk>

You seem to have some strange (to say the least) definition of "rape"
How about giving us your understanding of what constitutes rape. The
DNA in the underwear bit is a good example. You do not need to have
penetration by penis to have "rape".

Harry K

wrote:

>
>B1ackWater wrote:
>> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE > wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/p.../NEWS/60628035
>> >
>> >Laurel officer charged with raping woman during car stop
>> >By CRIS BARRISH and TERRI SANGINITI
>> >The News Journal 06/28/2006
>> >
>> >A Laurel police officer was arrested today for allegedly raping a
>> >55-year-old Delmar, Md., woman during an early morning car stop in
>> >March.
>> >
>> >Officer Kevin D. Hovatter, 28, of Laurel, was charged with two counts
>> >of first-degree rape, official misconduct and acts constituting
>> >coercion. He was released on $72,000 secured bail.
>>
>> Let's see now ... he's 28, the alleged victim is 55. Sounds
>> more like a case of wishful thinking on the 'victims' part
>> than a likely crime.
>
>turdwater, one of the sickest damn reichwing ****s on the Internet.

Aw ... rightwing Hank WAY out-does me. :-)

>Asshole, there are cases of 80 year old women being raped. But of
>course, you know from your own sexual deviancies, sex for some is about
>power, not desire.

Most sex is for SEX. Some is for power - plus sex.

I've always wondered why leftist psychology was so
puritanistic about the motives behind rape. They've
spent lots of time and effort trying to de-sex rape,
turn it into ordinary assault. Why is that ? Almost
a Victorian aversion to eros ... pretend it doesn't
exist. Are they trying to make rape victims feel
better somehow - 'uncontaminated' by lustful intent ?

Sorry, but this particular case smells bogus. It's not
impossible that a young cop might try to humiliate a
sagging post-middle-aged woman on a whim ... but it's
pretty unlikely. Plenty of young good-lookin' women
to exploit instead, promise to lose that bag of rock
if they'll just drop their knickers ....

"Michael Snyder" > wrote:

>
> wrote in message
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>>
>> B1ackWater wrote:
>> > laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>>http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/p...0628/NEWS/6062
>8035
>> > >
>> > >Laurel officer charged with raping woman during car stop
>> > >By CRIS BARRISH and TERRI SANGINITI
>> > >The News Journal 06/28/2006
>> > >
>> > >A Laurel police officer was arrested today for allegedly raping a
>> > >55-year-old Delmar, Md., woman during an early morning car stop in
>> > >March.
>> > >
>> > >Officer Kevin D. Hovatter, 28, of Laurel, was charged with two counts
>> > >of first-degree rape, official misconduct and acts constituting
>> > >coercion. He was released on $72,000 secured bail.
>> >
>> > Let's see now ... he's 28, the alleged victim is 55. Sounds
>> > more like a case of wishful thinking on the 'victims' part
>> > than a likely crime.
>>
>> turdwater, one of the sickest damn reichwing ****s on the Internet.
>> Asshole, there are cases of 80 year old women being raped. But of
>> course, you know from your own sexual deviancies, sex for some is about
>> power, not desire.
>
>Well YOU sound like a dispassionate 3rd party.
>
>Not...

He spends lots of time trying to build me up into some
Hitler image he has in his head - oddly ignoring so many
others who are easily seen, indeed DESIRE to be seen,
as Hitlers children.

Me, I'm just a fairly libertine Republican ... too libertine
to even get invited to "W"s parties, much less the National
Socialists parties. I think multi-racial couples look kinda
symmetrical - the yin/yang thing. I don't give a damn if gays
get married and clone themselves some children. I don't mind
abortions except in the last trimester. I even accept that
government needs to exert some control over business activities.
Wow - that probably makes me a commie or something !!! :-)