Japanese cars are the best

bob zee wrote:

> On Mar 1, 7:25 am, "
> > wrote:
>
>>Source:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17385761/
>>
>>Japanese vehicle brands continue to rule the roost when it comes to
>>car reliability
>
>
>
> I have a 2004 Honda Accord Coupe with 59,000 miles. It has NOT been
> to the dealership, repairshop, etc for anything.

So? My wife's American car could make the same claim when it had 150,000
miles.


=> Maybe because I do
> all of my own preventative maintenance, the dealership can't sabotage
> me!

Never a bad thing.
>
> This car has been as reliable as a brick.

At 59k miles, its not even broken in yet. The car I mentioned above
currently has 247,000 miles on it. It's now had a few repairs, but
nothing huge. Call me back in 10 years and tell me how that Honda is doing.

wrote:


>
> No more Fords for me, in the foreseeable future.

You ought to try a Fusion and/or a 500. I was pleasantly surprised.

"Steve" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > No more Fords for me, in the foreseeable future.
>
> You ought to try a Fusion and/or a 500. I was pleasantly surprised.

I looked at the 500, by the way, but havent driven it. It is supposed to be
Volvo's influence, (which might be better for Ford than Ford's influence
has been on Volvo.) But it is externally attractive. It is assembled in
Chicago,
but the components appear to include Aisin tranny (in some models), and
Volvo bits, as well as some Ford influence.

I havent paid much attention to the Fusion, but believe that is a
cooperative
effort with Mazda. It is said to be based loosely on the Mazda 6.
The Fusion is built in Mexico, I think.

On Mar 1, 10:39 am, "C. E. White" >
wrote:

>
> And for some reason you think this is unusual?
>
> Ed

No, I do not find it unusual. I find your comments unusual. A Ford
that lasts more than 2 minutes is VERY unusual.

bob z.

On Mar 1, 1:59 pm, Steve > wrote:

>
> At 59k miles, its not even broken in yet. The car I mentioned above
> currently has 247,000 miles on it. It's now had a few repairs, but
> nothing huge. Call me back in 10 years and tell me how that Honda is doing.

I will. You can guarantee it. While you are at it, give me your
phone number, your home address and your bank debit card number!
What do you consider a few repairs that are nothing huge?

Only an idiot would give me that information! Some would say only an
idiot would buy an american car!

bob z.

bob zee wrote:
> On Mar 1, 1:59 pm, Steve > wrote:
>
>> At 59k miles, its not even broken in yet. The car I mentioned above
>> currently has 247,000 miles on it. It's now had a few repairs, but
>> nothing huge. Call me back in 10 years and tell me how that Honda is doing.
>
> I will. You can guarantee it. While you are at it, give me your
> phone number, your home address and your bank debit card number!
> What do you consider a few repairs that are nothing huge?
>
> Only an idiot would give me that information! Some would say only an
> idiot would buy an american car!
>
> bob z.
>
to quote George Carlin, some people are f*cking stupid.

Buying a car based solely on reliability scores is like buying a house
based on square footage alone.

I bought a Trans Am because I WANTED one.
I bought a Subaru wagon because I needed a family car with 4wd.

Cost to buy, Cost to repair, Cost to insure are all parts of the car
ownership experience. So's utility and "grins-per-mile."

And, fwiw, I'm stuck with the wife's old car as a winter beater until it
dies. It's a 90 Beretta with 150k miles, and the damn thing just won't
die. (I used to wish it would, now I'm hoping to make 200k miles on it.)

I do wonder, who around here has the oldest/highest mileage vehicle that
they're still using as a semi-regular daily driver?
I have a 90 Beretta with 150k.
A friend of mine has an 88 Bonneville - dunno the mileage, but it's
their family car...

Ray

On Mar 1, 3:18 pm, Ray > wrote:
> bob zee wrote:
> > On Mar 1, 1:59 pm, Steve > wrote:
>
> >> At 59k miles, its not even broken in yet. The car I mentioned above
> >> currently has 247,000 miles on it. It's now had a few repairs, but
> >> nothing huge. Call me back in 10 years and tell me how that Honda is doing.
>
> > I will. You can guarantee it. While you are at it, give me your
> > phone number, your home address and your bank debit card number!
> > What do you consider a few repairs that are nothing huge?
>
> > Only an idiot would give me that information! Some would say only an
> > idiot would buy an american car!
>
> > bob z.
>
> to quote George Carlin, some people are f*cking stupid.
>
> Buying a car based solely on reliability scores is like buying a house
> based on square footage alone.
>
> I bought a Trans Am because I WANTED one.
> I bought a Subaru wagon because I needed a family car with 4wd.
>
> Cost to buy, Cost to repair, Cost to insure are all parts of the car
> ownership experience. So's utility and "grins-per-mile."
>
> And, fwiw, I'm stuck with the wife's old car as a winter beater until it
> dies. It's a 90 Beretta with 150k miles, and the damn thing just won't
> die. (I used to wish it would, now I'm hoping to make 200k miles on it.)
>
> I do wonder, who around here has the oldest/highest mileage vehicle that
> they're still using as a semi-regular daily driver?
> I have a 90 Beretta with 150k.
> A friend of mine has an 88 Bonneville - dunno the mileage, but it's
> their family car...
>
> Ray

I'm sure it's not the oldest, but I currently have an '88 Porsche 944
that was my daily driver up until I got a company car. I'm not real
happy with it at the moment (it's in the shop for an ignition issue)
but it was dead nuts reliable up until very recently. It's got a
shade over 130K on it, assuming that the odo can be trusted.

The Porsche replaced an '84 VW Scirocco that I'm still trying to
figure out why I sold. I bought it with 180K on the clock, racked up
another 60K or so, and the only major repair done to it was replacing
the transmission at about 200K because a bearing had worn enough that
one of the output flanges wouldn't seal anymore. (that was a couple
hours worth of work, and a junkyard tranny from a Jetta was cheap. I
probably spent as much on the new clutch kit that I threw in "while
you're in there" than the trans itself.) I sold it to a friend for
$600 simply because I had too many cars at the time and have been
kicking myself ever since.

nate

Ray wrote:

> I do wonder, who around here has the oldest/highest mileage vehicle that
> they're still using as a semi-regular daily driver?
> I have a 90 Beretta with 150k.
> A friend of mine has an 88 Bonneville - dunno the mileage, but it's
> their family car...
>
> Ray

Lets see...
My current daily driver (with 4 wheels) is a 1986 Volvo 740 Turbo Wagon
that I recently purchased because my Astro van is down for repairs at
170,000. The odo quit working on the Volvo at 198,380 miles and that was
an undetermined quantity of time/miles ago.

My playing vehicle is a 1977 Jeep CJ-7 with ~320,000 miles on it. The
only original parts are the front axle and the transfer case though. I
have no idea how many miles on the current motor, but I have personally
added about 160,000 to it.

My wifes car is a 1997 Subaru Wagon that currently has 181,000 miles on
it and is still going strong.

My truck is a 1988 Ford F-250 with the 7.3 Litre Diesel. Approximate
mileage on this one is 325,000.

There are more, but I don't drive them very often. Then there are the
motorcycles...

--
TomO

Somewhat off-topic question:
Are any high-quality products made in the USA?

The "american" computers are actually made in
the far east. The american cell phones are
horrible. (This problem is due in part to the
lack of cell phone standards.) The american
rocket launchers are less reliable than russian
rocket launchers...

Americans surely make the best computer CPUs,
the best nuclear bombs, the best movies and music.
Not much to brag about...

The Consumer Reports survey isn't about the opinions of their writers,
it's a survey of the general public. They ask questions about your car
and its maintenance history then they crunch the numbers and come up
with a report. It's not the most accurate method of finding facts, but
it's more accurate than having 5 or 10 guys posting here saying "That
report is BS, I never had any trouble with my domestic".

I don't doubt the existence of a satisfied domestic owner, you people
-do- exist. But you're in the minority...

...and yes, I have owned several domestic cars as well as japanese
imports, and I agree with the survey. But that doesn't mean I'm not
going to restore a 69 Camaro someday...

...And to simple_language - America makes the best space shuttles.
They blow up once in awhile, but they are better than anyone elses (so
far). Also, this "Internet" thing the Americans invented seems to be
working quite well.


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