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David wrote:
> Wrong, the employers in Canada have to pay the Government for > healthcare. Any employer be it 1 employee to thousands, has to > pay for the healthcare of all employees. In Canada (specifically, Ontario): Employer health tax is paid by the employer based on 1.95% of the employee's pay (it does not come out of the employees pay). There is no ceiling or limit on this tax. Ontario health tax is a new tax (about a year old) and it does come out of the employees pay (basically between $500 and $1000 per year, scaled to pay). WSIB (worker's comp) is also paid by the employer, and is determined by the perceived risk of the nature of the business. The lowest rates (office-type worker, computer programmers, etc) work out to about $125 to $150 per employee per year (30 cents per $100 of earnings, topping off at something like $60k). Other types of jobs (say, building demolition, construction industry, etc) pay much more. The above numbers are for small businesses. I have no idea if they are the same as large auto companies. One thing is for sure. In Canada, it's ->less complicated<- to run a business vs the US. Employers don't have to negotiate and deal with health insurance plans. Stuff like dental, optical, chiropractic, ok sure, but that's peanuts. |
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You can blame the American manufactures all you want but the problems in
this county are caused by the consumer. The problem is domestics manufacture have to compete with foreign manufactures who can build their vehicles in other countries that have far lower wages and far less costly government regulations on how they must run their business. In addition they need to compete with those foreign manufactures, like Toyota, who merely assemble their vehicle in the US, using lower paid workers who receive fewer benefit, of mostly lower cost imported parts. The greed of the American consumer had led them to buy more and more lower cost imported products yet expect to continue to garner higher American wages and benefits. Something has to give. Unlike Japanese consumers, who support their own economy, the American consumers in their greed are not likely to support American manufactures by paying higher prices to maintain their own economy. American manufacture more and more are being forced to do what the consumer is doing by going to those same sources to lower their cost of making their products. If American consumers are willing to buy foreign goods over American made goods they are going to be forced to accept lower wages from their employers, or worse, they will see their employer go out of business or move their production to lower priced countries, as well.. If American corporations start building their products off shore, as well, at least we will still have American corporations paying federal cooperate income taxes on the profits made in the US. That is far better than some foreign company taking all of their profits out of the county along with the American jobs, as is currently the case. Middle class Americans better soon wake up or the only thing your grandchildren will need to know to get a job is how to say 'Do you want fries with that?' or 'Welcome to Wal-Mart.' mike hunt "Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message ... > >Delphi, which supplies suspension systems for the Mini and Range Rover >>Sport and cruise controls for Jaguar, was forced to seek bankruptcy >>protection in a New York court after failing to win concessions with >>unions. The United Auto Workers union resisted its attempts to cut hourly >>wages by more than half, to about $10 or $12. >> > > If American corporations have their designs on Third World wages for > American workers, they'll be looking at general strikes as are seen in > parts of Europe. > |
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Tim & Linda wrote:
> Delphi execs get boost in severance pay > http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews...6_20051007.htm > > The boys at the top get more money and the working man gets less. Sounds > like the Bushism is working. > > > "Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message > ... > I hardly call 70 or 80 bucks a hour in wages AND benifits getting too little. They do no realize the big "raise" thy get every year because of the health care insurance that they do not pay for directly. |
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"MoPar Man" > wrote in message ... > David wrote: > > > Wrong, the employers in Canada have to pay the Government for > > healthcare. Any employer be it 1 employee to thousands, has to > > pay for the healthcare of all employees. > Fact: Health care in the USA is the most expensive in the world, bar none. Next most expensive is Switzerland, at an average of about one half that of the USA. Neither the workers nor the industrialists can help this. The freaking government could, but is too much in the pockets of the medical lobby. Neither do Americans have the access to quality care as we have been told to believe. We brainwash ourselves, with the help of the gummint, to believe we have all the best, but that doesnt hold water. GM is is deep caca too, and is evaluating the advisability of taking bankruptcy just behind Delphi. |
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Delphi supplies General Maintenance (GM). GM was/is Delphi's parent.
Wouldn't bother me one bit if both went out of business. They should be shut down. Larry Behold Beware Believe "Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message ... | Golden parachutes? A general strike will bring corporate America to its | senses. Executives should be pink slipped on Friday for Monday's | uncompensated layoff. | | If you think Mexican or Chinese auto parts will cost you less, you're sadly | mistaken. You'll pay the same price for them as if American workers made | those parts. Labor costs have nothing to do with your price. Profits have | everything to do with your price. As labor costs go down, profits go | up...the price remains the same! | |
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I blame the absolute greed of the uaw worker, they put themselves in this
predicament. Does someone putting a nut on a bolt deserve $27/hr plus enough O.T to make 6 figures a year? F no. I feel for the real skilled workers in this country struggling to survive, not the overpaid uaw worker. When you have janitors making $100K a year something is going to give. "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message ... > You can blame the American manufactures all you want but the problems in > this county are caused by the consumer. The problem is domestics > manufacture have to compete with foreign manufactures who can build their > vehicles in other countries that have far lower wages and far less costly > government regulations on how they must run their business. In addition > they need to compete with those foreign manufactures, like Toyota, who > merely assemble their vehicle in the US, using lower paid workers who > receive fewer benefit, of mostly lower cost imported parts. The greed of > the American consumer had led them to buy more and more lower cost imported > products yet expect to continue to garner higher American wages and > benefits. Something has to give. Unlike Japanese consumers, who support > their own economy, the American consumers in their greed are not likely to > support American manufactures by paying higher prices to maintain their own > economy. American manufacture more and more are being forced to do what the > consumer is doing by going to those same sources to lower their cost of > making their products. If American consumers are willing to buy foreign > goods over American made goods they are going to be forced to accept lower > wages from their employers, or worse, they will see their employer go out of > business or move their production to lower priced countries, as well.. If > American corporations start building their products off shore, as well, at > least we will still have American corporations paying federal cooperate > income taxes on the profits made in the US. That is far better than some > foreign company taking all of their profits out of the county along with the > American jobs, as is currently the case. Middle class Americans better soon > wake up or the only thing your grandchildren will need to know to get a job > is how to say 'Do you want fries with that?' or 'Welcome to Wal-Mart.' > > mike hunt > > > "Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message > ... > > >Delphi, which supplies suspension systems for the Mini and Range Rover > >>Sport and cruise controls for Jaguar, was forced to seek bankruptcy > >>protection in a New York court after failing to win concessions with > >>unions. The United Auto Workers union resisted its attempts to cut hourly > >>wages by more than half, to about $10 or $12. > >> > > > > If American corporations have their designs on Third World wages for > > American workers, they'll be looking at general strikes as are seen in > > parts of Europe. > > > > |
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On 10/10/05 11:31 am MoPar Man tossed the following ingredients into the
ever-growing pot of cybersoup: >> Wrong, the employers in Canada have to pay the Government for >> healthcare. Any employer be it 1 employee to thousands, has to >> pay for the healthcare of all employees. > > In Canada (specifically, Ontario): > > Employer health tax is paid by the employer based on 1.95% of the > employee's pay (it does not come out of the employees pay). There is > no ceiling or limit on this tax. > > Ontario health tax is a new tax (about a year old) and it does come > out of the employees pay (basically between $500 and $1000 per year, > scaled to pay). We're paying more than that (i.e., more than $1000 *USD* per *month*) for health insurance and still have significant co-pays. In Australia (so a businessman from there was telling me recently) the most anybody pays for health insurance is 2.5% of income -- and that covers the retired and unemployed as well. Perce |
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Good healthy thread.
Health Insurance, Canada, Unions and the UAW. As much as I'd like to blame this current President, he's got *nothing* to do with it. But, cannot say greed and the consumer are really what's at play. That's a malapropism. Mr. Curious "tony kujawa" > wrote in message ... > I blame the absolute greed of the uaw worker, they put themselves in this > predicament. Does someone putting a nut on a bolt deserve $27/hr plus > enough O.T to make 6 figures a year? F no. I feel for the real skilled > workers in this country struggling to survive, not the overpaid uaw worker. > When you have janitors making $100K a year something is going to give. > > > > "Mike Hunter" > wrote in message > ... > > You can blame the American manufactures all you want but the problems in > > this county are caused by the consumer. The problem is domestics > > manufacture have to compete with foreign manufactures who can build their > > vehicles in other countries that have far lower wages and far less costly > > government regulations on how they must run their business. In addition > > they need to compete with those foreign manufactures, like Toyota, who > > merely assemble their vehicle in the US, using lower paid workers who > > receive fewer benefit, of mostly lower cost imported parts. The greed of > > the American consumer had led them to buy more and more lower cost > imported > > products yet expect to continue to garner higher American wages and > > benefits. Something has to give. Unlike Japanese consumers, who support > > their own economy, the American consumers in their greed are not likely to > > support American manufactures by paying higher prices to maintain their > own > > economy. American manufacture more and more are being forced to do what > the > > consumer is doing by going to those same sources to lower their cost of > > making their products. If American consumers are willing to buy foreign > > goods over American made goods they are going to be forced to accept lower > > wages from their employers, or worse, they will see their employer go out > of > > business or move their production to lower priced countries, as well.. If > > American corporations start building their products off shore, as well, at > > least we will still have American corporations paying federal cooperate > > income taxes on the profits made in the US. That is far better than some > > foreign company taking all of their profits out of the county along with > the > > American jobs, as is currently the case. Middle class Americans better > soon > > wake up or the only thing your grandchildren will need to know to get a > job > > is how to say 'Do you want fries with that?' or 'Welcome to Wal-Mart.' > > > > mike hunt > > > > > > "Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message > > ... > > > >Delphi, which supplies suspension systems for the Mini and Range Rover > > >>Sport and cruise controls for Jaguar, was forced to seek bankruptcy > > >>protection in a New York court after failing to win concessions with > > >>unions. The United Auto Workers union resisted its attempts to cut > hourly > > >>wages by more than half, to about $10 or $12. > > >> > > > > > > If American corporations have their designs on Third World wages for > > > American workers, they'll be looking at general strikes as are seen in > > > parts of Europe. > > > > > > > > > |
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"Tim & Linda" > wrote in message ... > Delphi execs get boost in severance pay > http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews...6_20051007.htm > > The boys at the top get more money and the working man gets less. Sounds > like the Bushism is working. > Top executive salary increases at these rates have been going on for years...long before Bush took office. Was it "Clintonism" then. Of course not. The problem is what is going on in the board rooms, not the Oval Office. |
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"Daniel J. Stern" wrote: "When we vote for politicians who sell off
America's jobs in bulk to the lowest offshore bidder, then yes, that is exactly what we deserve." Every President for the last 30 years has help sell off America's jobs. Free trade agreements without requiring them to meet better environmental issues and safety for its employees is part of the problem. Sarge |
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