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Looking for a way around late CA Vehicle Registration fees
I've got a LandCruiser FJ-40 that I purchased in 2000 that I never
registered in CA. There is a TON of fees due in it as a result and my license too has been revoked. My goal is to get my license back without having to pay excessive fees due on the Cruiser. Can anyone tell me the best solution to my problem; I've considered the following: Donating the Cruiser to a charity (who would then be responsible for the late fees?) Registering the Cruiser as an "off-highway vehicle. Transferring title to my wife. If there are any other solutions that would work, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know. |
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Have you ever driven it on the highway? If not, or if they can't
prove you did, why would you owe them any fees? In Arizona they have a form you fill out attesting to the fact that you did not drive the vehicle during the time the registration was expired and they waive all the registrations fees that you would otherwise owe them. If CA doesn't do that can you get it titled in a different state and register it there. Then retitle it in CA and register it there. On 11 Jun 2004 14:16:37 -0700, (Stephen) wrote: >I've got a LandCruiser FJ-40 that I purchased in 2000 that I never >registered in CA. There is a TON of fees due in it as a result and my >license too has been revoked. My goal is to get my license back >without having to pay excessive fees due on the Cruiser. Can anyone >tell me the best solution to my problem; I've considered the >following: Donating the Cruiser to a charity (who would then be >responsible for the late fees?) Registering the Cruiser as an >"off-highway vehicle. Transferring title to my wife. If there are >any other solutions that would work, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know. -- Elbridge Gerry, of Massachusetts: "What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789 |
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Stephen wrote:
> > I've got a LandCruiser FJ-40 that I purchased in 2000 that I never > registered in CA. There is a TON of fees due in it as a result and my > license too has been revoked. My goal is to get my license back > without having to pay excessive fees due on the Cruiser. Hmm. I was unware that they could revoke a license for car registration issues. I mean, it's not a moving violation after all. Apparently they can though... > Can anyone > tell me the best solution to my problem; I've considered the > following: Donating the Cruiser to a charity (who would then be > responsible for the late fees?) Registering the Cruiser as an > "off-highway vehicle. Transferring title to my wife. If there are > any other solutions that would work, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know. Hint: there are 49 other states in this great land of ours. I also live in CA and have a CA driver's license, but my vehicle is registered in Nevada, allowing me to enjoy much lower registration and insurance fees, and not to worry too much about the occasional parking ticket here in Cal. It's legal if you simply set up a Nevada corporation, then register the vehicle with the corporation (which technically "owns" the auto). This can be done through an advertised agent for a few hundred bucks. It's worth it for other reasons too, such as if you have suits against you and don't want the car seized. You can create a separate corporation for each vehicle you "own," if you want to get really baroque about it. |
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Highway Star > wrote: > Stephen wrote: > > > > I've got a LandCruiser FJ-40 that I purchased in 2000 that I never > > registered in CA. There is a TON of fees due in it as a result and my > > license too has been revoked. My goal is to get my license back > > without having to pay excessive fees due on the Cruiser. > > Hmm. I was unware that they could revoke a license for car registration > issues. I mean, it's not a moving violation after all. Apparently they > can though... They won't revoke it for unpaid fees, but they WILL refuse to renew it when the time comes for that, which is just as good as a revocation. > > Can anyone > > tell me the best solution to my problem; I've considered the > > following: Donating the Cruiser to a charity (who would then be > > responsible for the late fees?) Registering the Cruiser as an > > "off-highway vehicle. Transferring title to my wife. If there are > > any other solutions that would work, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know. > > Hint: there are 49 other states in this great land of ours. I also live > in CA and have a CA driver's license, but my vehicle is registered in > Nevada, allowing me to enjoy much lower registration and insurance fees, > and not to worry too much about the occasional parking ticket here in > Cal. It's legal Correction: It *WAS* legal... Read on... >if you simply set up a Nevada corporation, then register > the vehicle with the corporation (which technically "owns" the auto). > This can be done through an advertised agent for a few hundred bucks. > It's worth it for other reasons too, such as if you have suits against > you and don't want the car seized. You can create a separate corporation > for each vehicle you "own," if you want to get really baroque about it. Get pulled over in one of those vehicles while carrying a license showing a California residence, and face a nifty new $1000 "payable *RIGHT NOW*, no negotiation, no court appearance, no appeal, just shut up and cough up the cash, or kiss your license and car goodbye" fine. It's a nice, shiney new law (less than 6 months old now, I think - I want to say it went into effect in January, but it may have been shortly before that) that very few know about yet. It went through pretty much "under the radar", probably due to our new Governator taking office and taking attention off the lawmakers. It's aimed SPECIFICALLY at exactly what you're talking about doing as a way of "retrieving" the fees that have been lost to such (already illegal, but until recently, the law has been toothless as a 90 year old chihuahua) circumvention of the registration process. Several local folks have been nailed by it recently here in Butte County, and although the outcry has been loud and long, they're finding out the hard way that it's quite literally "You can pay right here, right now, or we can revoke your license and impound your car on the spot. Make your choice." Rumour has it that Nevada is not only cooperating with this one, but actively pointing out "This car, with this Nevada plate, is registered to someone who used a California license in the registration process". At this point, I'm not sure if that's fact or "just rumour", and haven't got a clue how I'd go about finding out one way or the other, so you get to decide for yourself how much reality is involved. -- Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. I respond to Email as quick as humanly possible. If you Email me and get no response, see <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html> Short form: I'm trashing EVERYTHING that doesn't contain a password in the subject. |
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Don Bruder wrote:
> >if you simply set up a Nevada corporation, then register > > the vehicle with the corporation (which technically "owns" the auto). > > This can be done through an advertised agent for a few hundred bucks. > > It's worth it for other reasons too, such as if you have suits against > > you and don't want the car seized. You can create a separate corporation > > for each vehicle you "own," if you want to get really baroque about it. > > Get pulled over in one of those vehicles while carrying a license > showing a California residence, and face a nifty new $1000 "payable > *RIGHT NOW*, no negotiation, no court appearance, no appeal, just shut > up and cough up the cash, or kiss your license and car goodbye" fine. > > It's a nice, shiney new law (less than 6 months old now, I think - I > want to say it went into effect in January, but it may have been shortly > before that) that very few know about yet. It went through pretty much > "under the radar", probably due to our new Governator taking office and > taking attention off the lawmakers. It's aimed SPECIFICALLY at exactly > what you're talking about doing as a way of "retrieving" the fees that > have been lost to such (already illegal, but until recently, the law has > been toothless as a 90 year old chihuahua) circumvention of the > registration process. Several local folks have been nailed by it > recently here in Butte County, and although the outcry has been loud and > long, they're finding out the hard way that it's quite literally "You > can pay right here, right now, or we can revoke your license and impound > your car on the spot. Make your choice." > > Rumour has it that Nevada is not only cooperating with this one, but > actively pointing out "This car, with this Nevada plate, is registered > to someone who used a California license in the registration process". > At this point, I'm not sure if that's fact or "just rumour", and haven't > got a clue how I'd go about finding out one way or the other, so you get > to decide for yourself how much reality is involved. If true, this is a troubling development. Are you sure we're talking about a _corporation_ registration, not an individual (which I know is illegal.) With a corporation it is the company that owns the car and that is named on the registration, _not_ the individual driver. For instance, the Nevada registration in my car clearly states the owner as "XXXX Inc.," giving the address of the resident agent in Carson City. It does _not_ bear my individual name. If some bureaucrat in Nevada is telling the California bureaucrats, "This car, with this Nevada plate, is registered to someone who used a California license in the registration process," as you quoted, he/she is way off base. The car in question would _not_ be registered to "someone who used a California license," it would be registered to the company with the Nevada address. Of course, the corporate paperwork has to be in order and one must specify that the vehicle will mainly be used in Nevada. |
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In article >,
Highway Star > wrote: > Don Bruder wrote: > > > >if you simply set up a Nevada corporation, then register > > > the vehicle with the corporation (which technically "owns" the auto). > > > This can be done through an advertised agent for a few hundred bucks. > > > It's worth it for other reasons too, such as if you have suits against > > > you and don't want the car seized. You can create a separate corporation > > > for each vehicle you "own," if you want to get really baroque about it. > > > > Get pulled over in one of those vehicles while carrying a license > > showing a California residence, and face a nifty new $1000 "payable > > *RIGHT NOW*, no negotiation, no court appearance, no appeal, just shut > > up and cough up the cash, or kiss your license and car goodbye" fine. > > > > It's a nice, shiney new law (less than 6 months old now, I think - I > > want to say it went into effect in January, but it may have been shortly > > before that) that very few know about yet. It went through pretty much > > "under the radar", probably due to our new Governator taking office and > > taking attention off the lawmakers. It's aimed SPECIFICALLY at exactly > > what you're talking about doing as a way of "retrieving" the fees that > > have been lost to such (already illegal, but until recently, the law has > > been toothless as a 90 year old chihuahua) circumvention of the > > registration process. Several local folks have been nailed by it > > recently here in Butte County, and although the outcry has been loud and > > long, they're finding out the hard way that it's quite literally "You > > can pay right here, right now, or we can revoke your license and impound > > your car on the spot. Make your choice." > > > > Rumour has it that Nevada is not only cooperating with this one, but > > actively pointing out "This car, with this Nevada plate, is registered > > to someone who used a California license in the registration process". > > At this point, I'm not sure if that's fact or "just rumour", and haven't > > got a clue how I'd go about finding out one way or the other, so you get > > to decide for yourself how much reality is involved. > > If true, this is a troubling development. Are you sure we're talking > about a _corporation_ registration, not an individual (which I know is > illegal.) With a corporation it is the company that owns the car and > that is named on the registration, _not_ the individual driver. For > instance, the Nevada registration in my car clearly states the owner as > "XXXX Inc.," giving the address of the resident agent in Carson City. It > does _not_ bear my individual name. If some bureaucrat in Nevada is > telling the California bureaucrats, "This car, with this Nevada plate, > is registered to someone who used a California license in the > registration process," as you quoted, he/she is way off base. The car in > question would _not_ be registered to "someone who used a California > license," it would be registered to the company with the Nevada address. > Of course, the corporate paperwork has to be in order and one must > specify that the vehicle will mainly be used in Nevada. Dunno. All the information I have is the summary I already posted of what the 3-4 column inches worth of newspaper article said on it a month or two back, I think it was, and the scuttlebutt I've been hearing around town. The quoted text was my summation of what the rumour mill has had to say about it. Details on exactly how it's decided that a registration is bogus, how/when the information gets shared, or whatever else beyond what I've already said... <shrug> I just plain don't know. All I do know is that there was a newspaper article about a few local folks being popped on it, including a mention that it was a recently effective law. That part's as reliable as the newspaper - In my opinion, when talking about the local rag, that might not be saying very much sometimes... The scuttlebutt I've heard says Nevada is helping enforce it, but that's all it is: The scuttlebutt. (But, as mentioned above, my personal opinion is that there's every chance that the scuttlebutt could be more accurate than the local fishwrap. It has been on several occasions in the past.) Probably something somebody ought to look up. Doubtful it'll be me wading through the legalese, though! I ain't got enough motivation - My car is registered here in Cali, in my name, at the same here-in-Cali address as on my Cali-issued license, with all the proper fees and taxes and insurance and whatnots paid, which, from what I've been able to figure out so far means it's a law that (presumably...) can never impact me without some kind of massive beaureaucratic fumble happening first. So I ain't particularly worried about it. On second thought, maybe I *SHOULD* be scared... Beaureaucrats are known for fumbling, and it often turns out to be massive... <snork> Now there's a candidate for the understatement of the week! -- Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. I respond to Email as quick as humanly possible. If you Email me and get no response, see <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html> Short form: I'm trashing EVERYTHING that doesn't contain a password in the subject. |
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