Re: question on my pond

[RichToyBox]

This sounds like a new pond, and a new ponder. The algae carpet that forms
on the side of the pond is good, in that it provides for some of the
filtering of the pond, and it uses the nutrients needed by the floating
green algae. My recommendation for the green water that is making the pond
less than clear, is patience. But you should be getting the complete list
of things to do, including getting more plants in the pond.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"AFE" > wrote in message
...
> hey everyone...I have a problem with my pond and I cant figure it out
whatso
> ever! i have a massive amount of green/brown algea forming on the entire
> inside of the pond and im not sure if thats whats making the water unclear
> or if its the water its self that is dirty..i have tried making the pond
> deeper and adding a filter and large waterfall to it. this didnt work. i
> have 4 plants providing a little shade. the pond is 13x12x2ftdeep. there
are
> 2 pumps pushing a HUGE amount of water through the waterfall which is
being
> filtered....no matter how hard i try the pond becomes very hard to view
the
> fish. i would realllly like the help from someone if they know my problem
> and how to solve it..i spent alot of money on this and want to have a nice
> pond
>
>

[blah]

not sure if it matters...but the water is warm...its almost directly in the
front of our yard. so is this the source of all the algea? and approx how
long can this process of waiting take? also...i read that atleast 70% of the
surface of the pond needs to be cover by plants. i dont have that much. i
have less than 10%..the plants i have dont seem to grow enough to cover a
larger area...i bought a lily and it has about 8 or 9 pads and thats all
that have grown since i bought it.. do i need to buy like 10 of the 4inch
pots just to have that many pads to create the 70% of coverage?
"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
news:dp_Va.23123$Ho3.4268@sccrnsc03...
> This sounds like a new pond, and a new ponder. The algae carpet that
forms
> on the side of the pond is good, in that it provides for some of the
> filtering of the pond, and it uses the nutrients needed by the floating
> green algae. My recommendation for the green water that is making the
pond
> less than clear, is patience. But you should be getting the complete list
> of things to do, including getting more plants in the pond.
> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
>
>
> "AFE" > wrote in message
> ...
> > hey everyone...I have a problem with my pond and I cant figure it out
> whatso
> > ever! i have a massive amount of green/brown algea forming on the entire
> > inside of the pond and im not sure if thats whats making the water
unclear
> > or if its the water its self that is dirty..i have tried making the pond
> > deeper and adding a filter and large waterfall to it. this didnt work. i
> > have 4 plants providing a little shade. the pond is 13x12x2ftdeep. there
> are
> > 2 pumps pushing a HUGE amount of water through the waterfall which is
> being
> > filtered....no matter how hard i try the pond becomes very hard to view
> the
> > fish. i would realllly like the help from someone if they know my
problem
> > and how to solve it..i spent alot of money on this and want to have a
nice
> > pond
> >
> >
>
>

[blah]

bye the way this is the same person who started the post (AHE)

[Andrew Burgess]

"AFE" > writes:

>hey everyone...I have a problem with my pond and I cant figure it out whatso
>ever! i have a massive amount of green/brown algea forming on the entire
>inside of the pond and im not sure if thats whats making the water unclear
>or if its the water its self that is dirty..i have tried making the pond
>deeper and adding a filter and large waterfall to it. this didnt work. i
>have 4 plants providing a little shade. the pond is 13x12x2ftdeep. there are
>2 pumps pushing a HUGE amount of water through the waterfall which is being
>filtered....no matter how hard i try the pond becomes very hard to view the
>fish. i would realllly like the help from someone if they know my problem
>and how to solve it..i spent alot of money on this and want to have a nice
>pond

Spend a little more on a UV clarifier.

[Just Me \Koi\]

RTB is right!

Patience and provide some cover over your pond to provide shade! Water
Hyacinth, Azollo, Duckweed, etc are other plants you can use. These plants
will help you in two ways, provide cover and take nutrients out of the
water!

I am not a UV person as I see them as totally un-natural!

Also you may be pushing too much water through your filter too fast! The
bio bugs need time to work on your water before returning to the pond!
Maybe reduce the amount of water going through your filter and send the
balance through a waterfall or other structure to help with aeration?

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"blah" > wrote in message
...
> bye the way this is the same person who started the post (AHE)
>
>

[Chad]

I started out in a similar position in may/june of this year. I went
from 200 gallons to around 1350 gallons when I upgraded my pond. At
first I had about 10% coverage with plants, plus my purifalls was
filled with WH. My water turned to pea soup for about 2 weeks, then
only cleared to about 1 1/2 foot deep(The pond is 3 ft deep). During
the day the algae got worse when in full sun, after dark it cleared
some. I broke down and bought a UV Clarifier, installed it and it
cleared overnight. I have a nice covering of hair algae now that is
about 1/4 to 1/2 inches tall around almost all of the pond. I do get
some longer hair algae where there is no shade during the day. BTW, I
am about to 50 - 55% plant coverage now. My UV cost $106 -- shipped
to my house and I am really happy with it. Also, I don't use any
chemicals in my water.

On another note, I also maintain a reef aquarium. UV is one of the
best things I have seen for keeping the reef in top shape -- of course
the UV is not only clarifying the water, but sterilizing it of nasty
parasites that are waterborn. If I ever get into any more expensive
Koi I will get a UV that can sterilize the water to help protect the
investment.

[blah]

yeah thats basically the problem i have right now....EXACTLY..i really
wouldnt like to buy a UV but looks like i may have to.......so for now im
going to try and get some more coverage of plants and apply the 2nd pump to
aeration of the pond instead of filtration. so.....the long waiting process.
Does anyone have any ideas for cheap plants or something that grows really
fast and supplys the amount of coverage i need? maybe i can work on this for
now?

[BenignVanilla]

"AFE" > wrote in message
...
> hey everyone...I have a problem with my pond and I cant figure it out
whatso
> ever! i have a massive amount of green/brown algea forming on the entire
> inside of the pond and im not sure if thats whats making the water unclear
> or if its the water its self that is dirty..i have tried making the pond
> deeper and adding a filter and large waterfall to it. this didnt work. i
> have 4 plants providing a little shade. the pond is 13x12x2ftdeep. there
are
> 2 pumps pushing a HUGE amount of water through the waterfall which is
being
> filtered....no matter how hard i try the pond becomes very hard to view
the
> fish. i would realllly like the help from someone if they know my problem
> and how to solve it..i spent alot of money on this and want to have a nice
> pond


*ahem*

STOP MESSING WITH THE DAMN POND!!! It's the only way. If you have enough
filtration, plants, etc. All you need is a dosage of time.

BV.

[K30a]

Blah wrote >>i understand that..i want to know about the filtration and plants
and
anything that can help me on my way......<<

what was your original question again?
and did I answer it?
;-)


k30a
yearly brother website posting
http://www.30acreimaging.com/

[blah]

hey k30a ....u didnt answer my ? before thats ok...
heres my current situation:
fairly new..month old 13x12x2feet deep pond.. i have massive amounts of
algea or scum or something building up. i can only view up to about a foot
down. i have about 10% plant coverage, 2 pumps, one is being filtered the
other is for aeration. 2 of the 4 plants i have are producing coverage.the
lily i have only has about 9 or10 pads now..wont seem to grow more...do i
need to buy like 6 containers of lilys? i would like to a way to help
clarify the water. Besides a UV. If needed.. i have 5 large comets. 1 koi, 2
bass, 3 sunnies(large). any ideas?

[blah]

soo...if i were to add this filteration plants i would start seeing the
water being to clear up within weeks? or is one of those... take all the
water out and start over and add the plants with new water kinda thing?

[blah]

will adding plants actually solve my problem? or just help it?
"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "blah" > wrote in message
> ...
> > soo...if i were to add this filteration plants i would start seeing the
> > water being to clear up within weeks? or is one of those... take all the
> > water out and start over and add the plants with new water kinda thing?
> >
>
> Keep in mind, I am first season ponder, so have your salt on hand and take
> it by the grain. IMHO, large volume water changes are a bad idea, unless
you
> have something very nasty in your water, like Jerry Lewis VHS tapes. IMHO,
> You want to get a body of water rolling, and cycling and keep it there,
> tuning it for issues. If you have algae in the water, combat it by choking
> it, with plants. Killing it will just make a food supply for more algae if
> there is nothing to compete. Changing the water will give you a temp
> solution, with a problem that will just return.
>
> I learned the hard way. Mess with the pond, and you get a mess. I think if
> you spent $15 bucks or so, you could get some anacharis and WH. Toss them
in
> and wait two weeks. I bet there will be a nice improvement. CAVEAT: This
> assumes you have good filtration and you don't have 350 koi in 400 gallons
> of water. There is a reason GF and Koi are called pond pigs, and it ain't
> because they taste good with eggs.
>
> BV.
>
>

[blah]

gothcha..i can take out fish anytime..i get them from the river behind my
house.. but is it that much to worry about?

[john rutz]

blah wrote:
> hey k30a ....u didnt answer my ? before thats ok...
> heres my current situation:
> fairly new..month old 13x12x2feet deep pond.. i have massive amounts of
> algea or scum or something building up. i can only view up to about a foot
> down. i have about 10% plant coverage, 2 pumps, one is being filtered the
> other is for aeration. 2 of the 4 plants i have are producing coverage.the
> lily i have only has about 9 or10 pads now..wont seem to grow more...do i
> need to buy like 6 containers of lilys? i would like to a way to help
> clarify the water. Besides a UV. If needed.. i have 5 large comets. 1 koi, 2
> bass, 3 sunnies(large). any ideas?
>
>

by my calculation you have 2340 gallons if every thing is perfectly
square you are overstocked a tad
keep in mind for every plant pot you put in it takes away and equivalent
amount of water.


--





John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

[blah]

so.. i should buy some new plants such as lillies and add the cloth (or i
heard styrofoam works) over atleast 50% of the pond and wait 2 or 3
weeks....ur saying the algea would be gone and the plants will have
grown...that actually sounds like a good idea. thanx
any other ideas?

[BenignVanilla]

"blah" > wrote in message
...
> so.. i should buy some new plants such as lillies and add the cloth (or i
> heard styrofoam works) over atleast 50% of the pond and wait 2 or 3
> weeks....ur saying the algea would be gone and the plants will have
> grown...that actually sounds like a good idea. thanx
> any other ideas?

I suggest something other then lilies. You already have a couple. How about
something for variety that will also soak up nutrients, speeding your algae
clearance?

BV.

[BenignVanilla]

"blah" > wrote in message
...
> i want something that will spread pretty fast... some kind of floating
> plant maybe ...or if i havto a potted one. wat ever is cheaper, easier
and
> spreads quikest
>
>
Duckweed spreads like...well...a weed.

Water Hyacinth spreads like duckweed only slower.

Water lettuce spreads like Water Hyacinth.

Frogbit spreads slower then duckweed, but faster then Water Hyacinth.

Just toss any of these in, and let them go to work.



BV.

[RichToyBox]

I hope that you have taken the lilies out of those little 4 inch pots they
were in when you bought them. They need a rather large pot, about the size
of a good size dishpan. Use the poorest soil that you have on your property
for planting them in and fertilize with PondTabbs or one of the tree spikes
or tomato spikes. Cover the soil with very large gravel, egg rock, or
pieces of slate to keep the koi from rooting in the soil an uprooting the
lilies. Get some hyacinths or lettuce. Only need a few, and within weeks
you will be using them for compost.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"blah" > wrote in message
...
> not sure if it matters...but the water is warm...its almost directly in
the
> front of our yard. so is this the source of all the algea? and approx how
> long can this process of waiting take? also...i read that atleast 70% of
the
> surface of the pond needs to be cover by plants. i dont have that much. i
> have less than 10%..the plants i have dont seem to grow enough to cover a
> larger area...i bought a lily and it has about 8 or 9 pads and thats all
> that have grown since i bought it.. do i need to buy like 10 of the 4inch
> pots just to have that many pads to create the 70% of coverage?
> "RichToyBox" > wrote in message
> news:dp_Va.23123$Ho3.4268@sccrnsc03...
> > This sounds like a new pond, and a new ponder. The algae carpet that
> forms
> > on the side of the pond is good, in that it provides for some of the
> > filtering of the pond, and it uses the nutrients needed by the floating
> > green algae. My recommendation for the green water that is making the
> pond
> > less than clear, is patience. But you should be getting the complete
list
> > of things to do, including getting more plants in the pond.
> > --
> > RichToyBox
> > http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
> >
> >
> > "AFE" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > hey everyone...I have a problem with my pond and I cant figure it out
> > whatso
> > > ever! i have a massive amount of green/brown algea forming on the
entire
> > > inside of the pond and im not sure if thats whats making the water
> unclear
> > > or if its the water its self that is dirty..i have tried making the
pond
> > > deeper and adding a filter and large waterfall to it. this didnt work.
i
> > > have 4 plants providing a little shade. the pond is 13x12x2ftdeep.
there
> > are
> > > 2 pumps pushing a HUGE amount of water through the waterfall which is
> > being
> > > filtered....no matter how hard i try the pond becomes very hard to
view
> > the
> > > fish. i would realllly like the help from someone if they know my
> problem
> > > and how to solve it..i spent alot of money on this and want to have a
> nice
> > > pond
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>