Fish dying

[JGW]

In the last month, I've found two of my goldfish in my outdoor pond
dead. The water chemistry is fine except for the hardness being too
low. I added a bunch of dolomite lime almost a month ago after the
first fish died, and the hardness is improving, although the pH today
was still on the low side. I don't know of any toxins that could
have gotten into the water, and the fish showed no obvious sign of
injury. Is there something else I should be doing or thinking about
to protect my remaining fish?

Thanks.

Joan
___________________

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next time do a quick physical, especially looking at slime coat and gills.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/disease/technique/technique.html#Jo_Ann's_Fish_Physical
when nothing shows on outside and no symptoms it is "sudden death" and this is fast
changing water parameters, like loss of oxygen or toxic spike ... or, it could be
internal bacteria. Ingrid

JGW > wrote:

>In the last month, I've found two of my goldfish in my outdoor pond
>dead. The water chemistry is fine except for the hardness being too
>low. I added a bunch of dolomite lime almost a month ago after the
>first fish died, and the hardness is improving, although the pH today
>was still on the low side. I don't know of any toxins that could
>have gotten into the water, and the fish showed no obvious sign of
>injury. Is there something else I should be doing or thinking about
>to protect my remaining fish?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Joan
>___________________




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[Nedra]

Joan, We need more specific information about the readings from
your pond. What is the KH? pH? Do you have a test kit?
I for one would be hard pressed to advise anything without
specifics ;-)

Nedra in Missouri
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"JGW" > wrote in message
...
> In the last month, I've found two of my goldfish in my outdoor pond
> dead. The water chemistry is fine except for the hardness being too
> low. I added a bunch of dolomite lime almost a month ago after the
> first fish died, and the hardness is improving, although the pH today
> was still on the low side. I don't know of any toxins that could
> have gotten into the water, and the fish showed no obvious sign of
> injury. Is there something else I should be doing or thinking about
> to protect my remaining fish?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Joan
> ___________________
>

[JGW]

Thanks for responding. I did look quickly at the fish, and I noticed
a purplish discoloration around her abdomen. I couldn't tell if she
had been injured or was sick, or whether maybe she had been dead a
while and the color change meant she was beginning to decompose. Any
thoughts about that?

Thanks for the link to the Fish Physical website. That's great to
have!

Joan

>next time do a quick physical, especially looking at slime coat and gills.
>http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/disease/technique/technique.html#Jo_Ann's_Fish_Physical
>when nothing shows on outside and no symptoms it is "sudden death" and this is fast
>changing water parameters, like loss of oxygen or toxic spike ... or, it could be
>internal bacteria. Ingrid

[JGW]

Hi, Nedra.

I have a "Master Test Kit" On 5/2/04, when I found the first fish
dead, the pH was 8.2 (late afternoon). The KH was 53.7 ppm and the GH
was 71.6 ppm. Several days later, I tested the pH first thing in the
morning and it was around 7.0. That was when I added the dolomite
lime.

Today, when I found the second fish, the pH was between 6.8 and 7.0
(around noon). The kH was 71.6 ppm and the GH was 107.4 ppm.

I am thinking I may be having too large pH swings and that the water
hardness is too low. I have the dolomite hanging in the water in a
leg from a pair of panty hose, and periodically I squish it around to
try to release more into the water. It hangs right below the
waterfall.

Joan


>Joan, We need more specific information about the readings from
>your pond. What is the KH? pH? Do you have a test kit?
>I for one would be hard pressed to advise anything without
>specifics ;-)
>
>Nedra in Missouri
>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
>http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

>

[Nedra]

Joan ... Thanks for the specifics!
Okaaay :) Here goes ...
If it were me I would remove the lime and start (in the morning) to add
baking
soda --- 1 pound to 1,000 gallons of water. Only plan to change out
1/3 of the volume of pond water at a time. In other words take 3 days to
get your pond up to the 1 lb to 1,000 point. I dilute the baking soda (plain
ole
Arm & Hammer) in a big jar of pond water and add it around the perimeter of
the pond. Baking Soda will bring up the hardness of the pond water (KH)
and even out the pH to 8.4 ... which I think is about perfect :)

We've had huge amounts of rain here in the St. Louis area -
This acidifies the pond water so I have to add baking
soda on a regular basis during the spring and summer. This could be the
reason your KH and pH is low....

HTH

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"JGW" > wrote in message
...
> Hi, Nedra.
>
> I have a "Master Test Kit" On 5/2/04, when I found the first fish
> dead, the pH was 8.2 (late afternoon). The KH was 53.7 ppm and the GH
> was 71.6 ppm. Several days later, I tested the pH first thing in the
> morning and it was around 7.0. That was when I added the dolomite
> lime.
>
> Today, when I found the second fish, the pH was between 6.8 and 7.0
> (around noon). The kH was 71.6 ppm and the GH was 107.4 ppm.
>
> I am thinking I may be having too large pH swings and that the water
> hardness is too low. I have the dolomite hanging in the water in a
> leg from a pair of panty hose, and periodically I squish it around to
> try to release more into the water. It hangs right below the
> waterfall.
>
> Joan
>
>
> >Joan, We need more specific information about the readings from
> >your pond. What is the KH? pH? Do you have a test kit?
> >I for one would be hard pressed to advise anything without
> >specifics ;-)
> >
> >Nedra in Missouri
> >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> >http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> >
>

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Internal spawning injuries and/or infected eggs would account for what you see.
spawning bruises most certainly would look purplish. Ingrid

JGW > wrote:
>Thanks for responding. I did look quickly at the fish, and I noticed
>a purplish discoloration around her abdomen. I couldn't tell if she
>had been injured or was sick, or whether maybe she had been dead a
>while and the color change meant she was beginning to decompose. Any
>thoughts about that?


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[Benign Vanilla]

"JGW" > wrote in message
...
> Hi, Nedra.
>
> I have a "Master Test Kit" On 5/2/04, when I found the first fish
> dead, the pH was 8.2 (late afternoon). The KH was 53.7 ppm and the GH
> was 71.6 ppm. Several days later, I tested the pH first thing in the
> morning and it was around 7.0. That was when I added the dolomite
> lime.
>
> Today, when I found the second fish, the pH was between 6.8 and 7.0
> (around noon). The kH was 71.6 ppm and the GH was 107.4 ppm.
>
> I am thinking I may be having too large pH swings and that the water
> hardness is too low. I have the dolomite hanging in the water in a
> leg from a pair of panty hose, and periodically I squish it around to
> try to release more into the water. It hangs right below the
> waterfall.

Your numbers...

KH 53.7 to 71.6
GH 71.6 to 107.4
pH 8.2 to 6.8/7.0

These seem like fairly large swings in water chemistry. What about ammonia?
Do you have any ammonia readings? How about Oxegynation? Are the fish
looking for air up top? I am wondering if these swings in chemistry could be
aggrevating some other condition like an ammonia spike or lack of
oxygenation.

BV.

[[email protected]]

You can put the dolomitic lime in your filter instead of the sock. but it seems it
has done the job of adding a buffer. Baking soda may increase the pH quickly (not
desirable), but it wont provide lasting stability cause the bicarb breaks down to CO2
and leaves the pond. That is where the dolomitic limestone comes in. It slowly
releases on demand as needed, almost like having limestone in the pond. anything
above 50 is OK, altho higher is better.
It is expected that pH is low in morning as the CO2 has been removed during the night
by plants in the water. During the day CO2 and O2 levels increase with pH peaking
right before sunset. But the more plants (algae) in the water, the larger the swing
.... do you have green water? It could be if your water is green and warm then the
plants are using up the oxygen... especially if you dont have sufficient oxygenation.


So maybe other people could share what their morning and late afternoon pH is? I did
a search to find out what "normal" swings are but I think this group could provide
the data. Please include pH out of the tap and if you have noticed pH shifts after
heavy rains.

Ingrid



>"JGW" > wrote in message
>> I have a "Master Test Kit" On 5/2/04, when I found the first fish
>> dead, the pH was 8.2 (late afternoon). The KH was 53.7 ppm and the GH
>> was 71.6 ppm. Several days later, I tested the pH first thing in the
>> morning and it was around 7.0. That was when I added the dolomite
>> lime.
>> Today, when I found the second fish, the pH was between 6.8 and 7.0
>> (around noon). The kH was 71.6 ppm and the GH was 107.4 ppm.
>> I am thinking I may be having too large pH swings and that the water
>> hardness is too low. I have the dolomite hanging in the water in a
>> leg from a pair of panty hose, and periodically I squish it around to
>> try to release more into the water. It hangs right below the
>> waterfall.
>
>Your numbers...
>
>KH 53.7 to 71.6
>GH 71.6 to 107.4
>pH 8.2 to 6.8/7.0
>


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[JGW]

[snipped for bandwidth]

>Your numbers...
>
>KH 53.7 to 71.6
>GH 71.6 to 107.4
>pH 8.2 to 6.8/7.0
>
>These seem like fairly large swings in water chemistry. What about ammonia?
>Do you have any ammonia readings? How about Oxegynation? Are the fish
>looking for air up top? I am wondering if these swings in chemistry could be
>aggrevating some other condition like an ammonia spike or lack of
>oxygenation.
>
>BV.
>

Hi, Thanks for writing back. The ammonia and nitrite have been
consistently testing negative. I haven't seen any fish looking for
air up top, and we have an air bubbler and a waterfall in the pond, so
I think the oxygenation should be okay. I don't know how to measure
it, though. I did notice that, yesterday, there weren't quite as many
air bubbles coming up from the air pump as there should be, so I
cleaned the air pump and it improved. It's been a big spring for
string algae. Hmmm, I wonder if that could be related to anything?

Joan

[JGW]

Again, thanks for responding!

Today I found another fish dead. :-(

Again, I checked the water chemistry. pH 7.4, nitrite and ammonia
negative, hardness as before. I added a little more lime to the
filter and cleaned the pumps and checked to make sure the air pump and
waterfall are working okay.

I did find some aphids on a couple of the pond lily leaves. Removed
those I found.

I went to the website you recommended and did my best to do a
post-mortem physical exam. I also checked a could of websites that
tell you how to sex a fish. As far as I am able to judge (granted, I
am really new at this) the fish appears to be female. I saw no
bruising this time. The gills were not gloppy or gooey and the tissue
didn't look like raw hamburger or anything. I guess it's hard to
judge the color in a dead fish, but the color was a deep pink, about
the color of healthy gums in people. The consistency of the belly
felt normal, as far as I was able to judge. I couldn't express
anything from the anal port. The mouth looked okay--no redness, no
white strings. I was aware of a slime coat but it didn't feel
particularly mucousy or thick on my fingers after I let go of the
fish. The fins and tail looked okay, no evidence of trauma or
unusual coloration or texture. The eyes looked normal as far as I
could see. There were a few scales missing, but I don't know if that
happened after the fish died or not.

I don't know why my fish are dying. It's very scarey. Anybody have
any thoughts about any anything else I ought to be doing?

Thanks.

Joan

>Internal spawning injuries and/or infected eggs would account for what you see.
>spawning bruises most certainly would look purplish. Ingrid

[JGW]

Thanks

>Joan ... Thanks for the specifics!
>Okaaay :) Here goes ...
>If it were me I would remove the lime and start (in the morning) to add
>baking
>soda ---

[snipped for bandwidth]

Hi! Thanks so much. I'm glad to know about the baking soda, and also
about the rain. We have had a lot of rain lately.

Joan

[JGW]

>You can put the dolomitic lime in your filter instead of the sock.

Oh that is a good idea! I never thought about adding it directly to
the filter. It won't clog it up?

>but it seems it
>has done the job of adding a buffer. Baking soda may increase the pH quickly (not
>desirable), but it wont provide lasting stability cause the bicarb breaks down to CO2
>and leaves the pond. That is where the dolomitic limestone comes in. It slowly
>releases on demand as needed, almost like having limestone in the pond. anything
>above 50 is OK, altho higher is better.

Oh, okay. Thanks. I added some more today, directly to the filter.

>It is expected that pH is low in morning as the CO2 has been removed during the night
>by plants in the water. During the day CO2 and O2 levels increase with pH peaking
>right before sunset. But the more plants (algae) in the water, the larger the swing
>... do you have green water? It could be if your water is green and warm then the
>plants are using up the oxygen... especially if you dont have sufficient oxygenation.

Ah. Well, we have had an enormous amount of algae this year. It just
started to come under some degree of control within the last month.
The water itself isn't too green. But the algae have been clogging up
the pumps a lot. We do have a good-sized air bubbler in the pond.
It's about the size of a regular pump and it runs 24/7. Plus we have
a waterfall that runs most of the day. So I think there should be
plenty of oxygen, but who knows? Is there a way to find out? Should
I be adding hydrogen peroxide to the water??

[snipped for bandwidth]

Thanks so much for your input.

Joan

[RichToyBox]

Try adding some activated carbon. Something is telling me that it may be
some kind of poisoning. It may be low level, but carbon will remove the
poisons. There doesn't appear to be any other explanation that hits me,
based on the information you have posted.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"JGW" > wrote in message
...
>
> Again, thanks for responding!
>
> Today I found another fish dead. :-(
>
> Again, I checked the water chemistry. pH 7.4, nitrite and ammonia
> negative, hardness as before. I added a little more lime to the
> filter and cleaned the pumps and checked to make sure the air pump and
> waterfall are working okay.
>
> I did find some aphids on a couple of the pond lily leaves. Removed
> those I found.
>
> I went to the website you recommended and did my best to do a
> post-mortem physical exam. I also checked a could of websites that
> tell you how to sex a fish. As far as I am able to judge (granted, I
> am really new at this) the fish appears to be female. I saw no
> bruising this time. The gills were not gloppy or gooey and the tissue
> didn't look like raw hamburger or anything. I guess it's hard to
> judge the color in a dead fish, but the color was a deep pink, about
> the color of healthy gums in people. The consistency of the belly
> felt normal, as far as I was able to judge. I couldn't express
> anything from the anal port. The mouth looked okay--no redness, no
> white strings. I was aware of a slime coat but it didn't feel
> particularly mucousy or thick on my fingers after I let go of the
> fish. The fins and tail looked okay, no evidence of trauma or
> unusual coloration or texture. The eyes looked normal as far as I
> could see. There were a few scales missing, but I don't know if that
> happened after the fish died or not.
>
> I don't know why my fish are dying. It's very scarey. Anybody have
> any thoughts about any anything else I ought to be doing?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Joan
>
> >Internal spawning injuries and/or infected eggs would account for what
you see.
> >spawning bruises most certainly would look purplish. Ingrid
>
>

[JGW]

Thank you!

How much? How do I add it? Just dump it in the water? Put it in the
filter? I have dolomite lime in the filter. Will it mix okay with
that?

Where do I get it? Drug store? Is that the same as activated
charcoal?

Thanks so much.

Joan, worried about her fishies

>Try adding some activated carbon. Something is telling me that it may be
>some kind of poisoning. It may be low level, but carbon will remove the
>poisons. There doesn't appear to be any other explanation that hits me,
>based on the information you have posted.

[RichToyBox]

Filter charcoal, activated carbon, can be gotten at the fish store, or call
one of the water treatment companies. They use it to remove bad tastes from
the water. I put several pounds of it in the leg of panty hose and drape it
across the spill way of the water fall/ stream/ or filter return. At the
fish store the price will be a little high, but if that is what it is, it
will be worth it.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html
"JGW" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you!
>
> How much? How do I add it? Just dump it in the water? Put it in the
> filter? I have dolomite lime in the filter. Will it mix okay with
> that?
>
> Where do I get it? Drug store? Is that the same as activated
> charcoal?
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Joan, worried about her fishies
>
> >Try adding some activated carbon. Something is telling me that it may be
> >some kind of poisoning. It may be low level, but carbon will remove the
> >poisons. There doesn't appear to be any other explanation that hits me,
> >based on the information you have posted.
>

[[email protected]]

call Jo Ann and discuss this with her. 1-251-649-4790. Ingrid

JGW > wrote:

>
>Again, thanks for responding!
>
>Today I found another fish dead. :-(
>
>Again, I checked the water chemistry. pH 7.4, nitrite and ammonia
>negative, hardness as before. I added a little more lime to the
>filter and cleaned the pumps and checked to make sure the air pump and
>waterfall are working okay.
>
>I did find some aphids on a couple of the pond lily leaves. Removed
>those I found.
>
>I went to the website you recommended and did my best to do a
>post-mortem physical exam. I also checked a could of websites that
>tell you how to sex a fish. As far as I am able to judge (granted, I
>am really new at this) the fish appears to be female. I saw no
>bruising this time. The gills were not gloppy or gooey and the tissue
>didn't look like raw hamburger or anything. I guess it's hard to
>judge the color in a dead fish, but the color was a deep pink, about
>the color of healthy gums in people. The consistency of the belly
>felt normal, as far as I was able to judge. I couldn't express
>anything from the anal port. The mouth looked okay--no redness, no
>white strings. I was aware of a slime coat but it didn't feel
>particularly mucousy or thick on my fingers after I let go of the
>fish. The fins and tail looked okay, no evidence of trauma or
>unusual coloration or texture. The eyes looked normal as far as I
>could see. There were a few scales missing, but I don't know if that
>happened after the fish died or not.
>
>I don't know why my fish are dying. It's very scarey. Anybody have
>any thoughts about any anything else I ought to be doing?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Joan
>
>>Internal spawning injuries and/or infected eggs would account for what you see.
>>spawning bruises most certainly would look purplish. Ingrid
>



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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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[JGW]

Thank you!!! I will!

Joan

>call Jo Ann and discuss this with her. 1-251-649-4790. Ingrid

>
>>Again, thanks for responding!
>>
>>Today I found another fish dead. :-(

[snip]

[JGW]

Thank you! I'll get some tomorrow!

Joan

>Filter charcoal, activated carbon, can be gotten at the fish store, or call
>one of the water treatment companies. They use it to remove bad tastes from
>the water. I put several pounds of it in the leg of panty hose and drape it
>across the spill way of the water fall/ stream/ or filter return. At the
>fish store the price will be a little high, but if that is what it is, it
>will be worth it.

[Benign Vanilla]

"JGW" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> Hi! Thanks so much. I'm glad to know about the baking soda, and also
> about the rain. We have had a lot of rain lately.
<snip>

Lots of rain? What's your runoff situation like? Could something nasty be
running into the pond?

BV.

[JGW]

>Lots of rain? What's your runoff situation like? Could something nasty be
>running into the pond?
>
>BV.
>

Good question.

A couple of months ago, we did get the house power washed. They used
bleach, but they didn't use it on the side of the house near the pond.
It's possible the wind could have blown some in, but I added De-Chlor
as a preventative afterwards.

Also, about that time, an exterminator came and sprayed around the
house. He uses a pyrethrin-based product. Again, though, we watched
him closely to make sure that he stayed away from the pond. I guess
it's not impossible some could have gotten in.

I can't think of anything else. We have no nearby neighbors and our
wastewater is discharged downhill of the pond. We don't use chemicals
on the lawn.

We did have an awful lot of algae this year, so I guess it's possible
we're a little oxygen depleted. We run an air bubbler in the pond
24/7 and we have a waterfall, though, and I haven't seen any fish
gasping for air at the surface of the water. I guess I need to check
early in the AM.

Joan

[JGW]

Thank you!!!

I did call her. She is wonderful! Very knowledgable and helpful.

Joan

>call Jo Ann and discuss this with her. 1-251-649-4790. Ingrid

[Benign Vanilla]

"JGW" > wrote in message
...
>
> Thank you!!!
>
> I did call her. She is wonderful! Very knowledgable and helpful.


Well what did she say?

BV.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Fur sure, lend us your lesson. :o) ~ jan
>
>"JGW" > wrote in message
>> Thank you!!!
>>
>> I did call her. She is wonderful! Very knowledgable and helpful.
>
>Well what did she say?
>BV.


(Do you know where your water quality is?)

[Karen Mullen]

I remember sometime back someone had fish dying and he couldn't figure out why.
Turned out he'd sprayed wasp/hornet spray and the residue was running off into
his pond. If I remember correctly, 1 part per million would kill fish. Any
chance there's been any spray used around your pond that could have found it's
way into the water.

Karen
Zone 5
Ashland, OH
http://hometown.aol.com/kmam1/MyPond/MyPond.html
My Art Studio at
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for email remove the extra extention

[JGW]

>> Thank you!!!

>> I did call her. She is wonderful! Very knowledgable and helpful.

>Well what did she say?

>BV.

She said that she thought it was either due to some toxin in the water
(she didn't know what) or spawning injuries. She said if it was
spawning injuries, the problem should solve itself soon. She
suggested I check the *nitrate* level.

She said it wouldn't hurt to add some activated carbon to the water
circulating system (preferably to the site where the water leaves the
pond to go to the filter).

She also suggested I check the CO2 level. She said if the CO2 level
was elevated, that would be a nonspecific sign that there was some
kind of toxin in the water.

And she suggested that I give the fish a five-day course of therapy
with medicated fish food (Romet I think).

So far I have added the carbon and confirmed that the nitrate level is
okay. I have checked the CO2 level, but my kit doesn't give me
information about the acceptable range, so I don't know how to
interpret it. So far the fish seem okay. Knock wood.

Thanks for asking.

Joan
___________________

[JGW]

That's a good question. We did have an exterminator spray around the
house shortly before the fish started dying. We watched him, and, as
far as we could tell, he sprayed nowhere near the pond and used a
pyrethrin-based spray. Still, I suppose it's not entirely impossible
that some of it got into the pond. We won't let him anywhere NEAR the
fish next time.

Joan

>I remember sometime back someone had fish dying and he couldn't figure out why.
> Turned out he'd sprayed wasp/hornet spray and the residue was running off into
>his pond. If I remember correctly, 1 part per million would kill fish. Any
>chance there's been any spray used around your pond that could have found it's
>way into the water.
>
>Karen
>Zone 5
>Ashland, OH

[[email protected]]

you need to cover the pond if anyone is spraying anywhere in the vicinity. that
stuff drifts!! Ingrid


JGW > wrote:

>That's a good question. We did have an exterminator spray around the
>house shortly before the fish started dying. We watched him, and, as
>far as we could tell, he sprayed nowhere near the pond and used a
>pyrethrin-based spray. Still, I suppose it's not entirely impossible
>that some of it got into the pond. We won't let him anywhere NEAR the
>fish next time.


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[Nedra]

You say the exterminator used a "pyrethrin-based spray" ....
Pyrethrin is deadly toxic to fish - also "as far as we could tell" ... these
sentences point to the culprit >> pyrethrin.
A tiny breeze could blow some
of the stuff into your pond.

Good Luck in getting it cleaned out of your pond surrounds.

Nedra
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"JGW" > wrote in message
...
> That's a good question. We did have an exterminator spray around the
> house shortly before the fish started dying. We watched him, and, as
> far as we could tell, he sprayed nowhere near the pond and used a
> pyrethrin-based spray. Still, I suppose it's not entirely impossible
> that some of it got into the pond. We won't let him anywhere NEAR the
> fish next time.
>
> Joan
>
> >I remember sometime back someone had fish dying and he couldn't figure
out why.
> > Turned out he'd sprayed wasp/hornet spray and the residue was running
off into
> >his pond. If I remember correctly, 1 part per million would kill fish.
Any
> >chance there's been any spray used around your pond that could have found
it's
> >way into the water.
> >
> >Karen
> >Zone 5
> >Ashland, OH
>

[JGW]

Thanks. No problem. We thought we were being real careful, but we're
gonna be waaay more careful from now on. Very scarey.

Joan

>you need to cover the pond if anyone is spraying anywhere in the vicinity. that
>stuff drifts!! Ingrid
>

[JGW]

Oh jeez. Okay. We're gonna be very very very careful about that.

Scarey.

Thanks for the info.

Joan

>You say the exterminator used a "pyrethrin-based spray" ....
>Pyrethrin is deadly toxic to fish - also "as far as we could tell" ... these
>sentences point to the culprit >> pyrethrin.
>A tiny breeze could blow some
>of the stuff into your pond.
>
>Good Luck in getting it cleaned out of your pond surrounds.
>
>Nedra
>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
>http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118