MH's Without Suplimental lighting?

[Rich]

Hey all,
Im getting ready to setup another tank. And as with all setups
lighting is a concern. Ive had combination of all lights in the past,
MH, VHO, PC. With this tank im going to be very limited with space.
It will most likely be a 29 30 or 40. With that said, the last time i
owned a MH setup was almost 9 years ago and the 5.5K was the latest
technology they had out. Now with different bulbs, 8.8K 10K 12K 14K
20K, etc is there any one bulb that will displace the need for PC or
vho supliments? If possible without harm to the corals, i would much
rather run just the halides (up to 2 400W vertical pendants are
perfect for my particular needs)

TIA
-Rich

[richard reynolds]

> Hey all,
> Im getting ready to setup another tank. And as with all setups
> lighting is a concern. Ive had combination of all lights in the past,
> MH, VHO, PC. With this tank im going to be very limited with space.
> It will most likely be a 29 30 or 40. With that said, the last time i
> owned a MH setup was almost 9 years ago and the 5.5K was the latest
> technology they had out. Now with different bulbs, 8.8K 10K 12K 14K
> 20K, etc is there any one bulb that will displace the need for PC or
> vho supliments? If possible without harm to the corals, i would much
> rather run just the halides (up to 2 400W vertical pendants are
> perfect for my particular needs)
>
> TIA
> -Rich

the corals wont be harmed one bit, i like the 20,000K bulbs there nice:)

fish can often use a slight step in between but even room lighting is probibly enough.
also if you have 2 have one powerup say 20mins before the other and it will make up for
the difference, even if its just temporary as fish will get used to whatever you do.

--
richard reynolds

[Marc Levenson]

20,000K bulbs are bluer, but I've been told by some that have used them that
they are only the truer color if you get the 400w version. The 175w and 250w
20,000K don't seem to please people.

10,000K will give you a crisp white look. And fwiw, I'm putting two 175w
10,000K over my 55g, and would think a single 175w would be fine over at
29-30-40g tank. 250w max.

Marc


Rich wrote:

> Hey all,
> Im getting ready to setup another tank. And as with all setups
> lighting is a concern. Ive had combination of all lights in the past,
> MH, VHO, PC. With this tank im going to be very limited with space.
> It will most likely be a 29 30 or 40. With that said, the last time i
> owned a MH setup was almost 9 years ago and the 5.5K was the latest
> technology they had out. Now with different bulbs, 8.8K 10K 12K 14K
> 20K, etc is there any one bulb that will displace the need for PC or
> vho supliments? If possible without harm to the corals, i would much
> rather run just the halides (up to 2 400W vertical pendants are
> perfect for my particular needs)
>
> TIA
> -Rich

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[rich]

and you're doing just the MH's no pc or flourescent?

My goal for this tank is clams and sps and a carpet. It will be my first go
at sps and everyone seems to harp on the fact that more is better(in terms
of lighting). I figured i could always raise the lights if it was too much.
But if you think that 250 would be fine then i will definatly re-consider
and even save myself some money.
I had origionally thought about cramming 5 96W PCs under the canopy(provided
i got the 30 or 40 gallon tank) but came to the conclusion that with the
extra cost and the clutter of the ballasts, i couldnt do it.

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> 20,000K bulbs are bluer, but I've been told by some that have used them
that
> they are only the truer color if you get the 400w version. The 175w and
250w
> 20,000K don't seem to please people.
>
> 10,000K will give you a crisp white look. And fwiw, I'm putting two 175w
> 10,000K over my 55g, and would think a single 175w would be fine over at
> 29-30-40g tank. 250w max.
>
> Marc
>
>
> Rich wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> > Im getting ready to setup another tank. And as with all setups
> > lighting is a concern. Ive had combination of all lights in the past,
> > MH, VHO, PC. With this tank im going to be very limited with space.
> > It will most likely be a 29 30 or 40. With that said, the last time i
> > owned a MH setup was almost 9 years ago and the 5.5K was the latest
> > technology they had out. Now with different bulbs, 8.8K 10K 12K 14K
> > 20K, etc is there any one bulb that will displace the need for PC or
> > vho supliments? If possible without harm to the corals, i would much
> > rather run just the halides (up to 2 400W vertical pendants are
> > perfect for my particular needs)
> >
> > TIA
> > -Rich
>
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>
>

[JerseyReef]

Quote: "There was a beautiful tank of the month on Reef Central a few months
ago that used 6x175w over a huge reef. Btw, the owner of that reef was the
producer or writer of "Married with Children", as well as a number of other
TV sitcoms. That was kinda cool."

Actually Marc it was 6 x 250W 10K AB bulbs with 4 x 160W VHO

Regards,

JerseyReef

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Rich,
>
> I've not installed my MH yet, even though I've had them for months. The
quick
> disconnect cords are in transit finally so I can put them in. I will be
> supplementing mine with VHO, since that is my current lighting anyway.
> Hopefully, just one bulb, but I'll have room for 2 if necessary.
>
> If you have found 14,000K bulbs, I read about them about a year ago and a
lot of
> people really liked their spectrum. They too were trying to avoid
> supplementation, using just one bulb. There is a benefit to extra bulbs
by the
> way:
>
> * You can simulate sunrise and sunset with the actinic bulbs, running them
> longer (per day) than the MH.
> * If your tank gets too hot, you can turn off the MH bulbs temporarily
while the
> actinics provide lighting.
>
> I'm growing SPS and a clam under 165w of PC lighting for the past 10-11
months
> with good results. My ballasts are out of the way.
>
> Using 250w instead of 400w will not only save you money initially, but
also
> daily on the electric bill. There was a beautiful tank of the month on
Reef
> Central a few months ago that used 6x175w over a huge reef. Btw, the
owner of
> that reef was the producer or writer of "Married with Children", as well
as a
> number of other TV sitcoms. That was kinda cool.
>
> Marc
>
>
> rich wrote:
>
> > and you're doing just the MH's no pc or flourescent?
> >
> > My goal for this tank is clams and sps and a carpet. It will be my
first go
> > at sps and everyone seems to harp on the fact that more is better(in
terms
> > of lighting). I figured i could always raise the lights if it was too
much.
> > But if you think that 250 would be fine then i will definatly
re-consider
> > and even save myself some money.
> > I had origionally thought about cramming 5 96W PCs under the
canopy(provided
> > i got the 30 or 40 gallon tank) but came to the conclusion that with the
> > extra cost and the clutter of the ballasts, i couldnt do it.
> >
> > "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > 20,000K bulbs are bluer, but I've been told by some that have used
them
> > that
> > > they are only the truer color if you get the 400w version. The 175w
and
> > 250w
> > > 20,000K don't seem to please people.
> > >
> > > 10,000K will give you a crisp white look. And fwiw, I'm putting two
175w
> > > 10,000K over my 55g, and would think a single 175w would be fine over
at
> > > 29-30-40g tank. 250w max.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > > Rich wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey all,
> > > > Im getting ready to setup another tank. And as with all setups
> > > > lighting is a concern. Ive had combination of all lights in the
past,
> > > > MH, VHO, PC. With this tank im going to be very limited with space.
> > > > It will most likely be a 29 30 or 40. With that said, the last time
i
> > > > owned a MH setup was almost 9 years ago and the 5.5K was the latest
> > > > technology they had out. Now with different bulbs, 8.8K 10K 12K
14K
> > > > 20K, etc is there any one bulb that will displace the need for PC or
> > > > vho supliments? If possible without harm to the corals, i would much
> > > > rather run just the halides (up to 2 400W vertical pendants are
> > > > perfect for my particular needs)
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > > -Rich
> > >
> > > --
> > > Personal Page:
http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> > > Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> > > Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
> > >
> > >
>
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>
>

[Marc Levenson]

Hmm. Well, maybe I have the wrong tank owner then, because I specifically
remember a tank with 175w bulbs. This elicited a number of surprised responses,
when so many reefs are blasted with higher wattage bulbs. I'll have to go
through the TOTM entries and find the correct one.

Thanks for correction though!

Marc


JerseyReef wrote:

> Quote: "There was a beautiful tank of the month on Reef Central a few months
> ago that used 6x175w over a huge reef. Btw, the owner of that reef was the
> producer or writer of "Married with Children", as well as a number of other
> TV sitcoms. That was kinda cool."
>
> Actually Marc it was 6 x 250W 10K AB bulbs with 4 x 160W VHO
>
> Regards,
>
> JerseyReef
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi Rich,
> >
> > I've not installed my MH yet, even though I've had them for months. The
> quick
> > disconnect cords are in transit finally so I can put them in. I will be
> > supplementing mine with VHO, since that is my current lighting anyway.
> > Hopefully, just one bulb, but I'll have room for 2 if necessary.
> >
> > If you have found 14,000K bulbs, I read about them about a year ago and a
> lot of
> > people really liked their spectrum. They too were trying to avoid
> > supplementation, using just one bulb. There is a benefit to extra bulbs
> by the
> > way:
> >
> > * You can simulate sunrise and sunset with the actinic bulbs, running them
> > longer (per day) than the MH.
> > * If your tank gets too hot, you can turn off the MH bulbs temporarily
> while the
> > actinics provide lighting.
> >
> > I'm growing SPS and a clam under 165w of PC lighting for the past 10-11
> months
> > with good results. My ballasts are out of the way.
> >
> > Using 250w instead of 400w will not only save you money initially, but
> also
> > daily on the electric bill. There was a beautiful tank of the month on
> Reef
> > Central a few months ago that used 6x175w over a huge reef. Btw, the
> owner of
> > that reef was the producer or writer of "Married with Children", as well
> as a
> > number of other TV sitcoms. That was kinda cool.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > rich wrote:
> >
> > > and you're doing just the MH's no pc or flourescent?
> > >
> > > My goal for this tank is clams and sps and a carpet. It will be my
> first go
> > > at sps and everyone seems to harp on the fact that more is better(in
> terms
> > > of lighting). I figured i could always raise the lights if it was too
> much.
> > > But if you think that 250 would be fine then i will definatly
> re-consider
> > > and even save myself some money.
> > > I had origionally thought about cramming 5 96W PCs under the
> canopy(provided
> > > i got the 30 or 40 gallon tank) but came to the conclusion that with the
> > > extra cost and the clutter of the ballasts, i couldnt do it.
> > >
> > > "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > 20,000K bulbs are bluer, but I've been told by some that have used
> them
> > > that
> > > > they are only the truer color if you get the 400w version. The 175w
> and
> > > 250w
> > > > 20,000K don't seem to please people.
> > > >
> > > > 10,000K will give you a crisp white look. And fwiw, I'm putting two
> 175w
> > > > 10,000K over my 55g, and would think a single 175w would be fine over
> at
> > > > 29-30-40g tank. 250w max.
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rich wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey all,
> > > > > Im getting ready to setup another tank. And as with all setups
> > > > > lighting is a concern. Ive had combination of all lights in the
> past,
> > > > > MH, VHO, PC. With this tank im going to be very limited with space.
> > > > > It will most likely be a 29 30 or 40. With that said, the last time
> i
> > > > > owned a MH setup was almost 9 years ago and the 5.5K was the latest
> > > > > technology they had out. Now with different bulbs, 8.8K 10K 12K
> 14K
> > > > > 20K, etc is there any one bulb that will displace the need for PC or
> > > > > vho supliments? If possible without harm to the corals, i would much
> > > > > rather run just the halides (up to 2 400W vertical pendants are
> > > > > perfect for my particular needs)
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA
> > > > > -Rich
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Personal Page:
> http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> > > > Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> > > > Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > --
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> > Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> > Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
> >
> >

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