why would anyone do this??

[fondoo]

WARNING: video clip maybe be disturbing to some people.

http://neistat.com/pages/video_holding/goldfish_holding.htm

[Logic316]

fondoo wrote:
> WARNING: video clip maybe be disturbing to some people.
>
> http://neistat.com/pages/video_holding/goldfish_holding.htm


This video was made by a couple of artsy-fartsy kooks who call
themselves "The Neistat Brothers". Apparently, they think this is some
kind of cool art. Let's get together and mail-bomb their site:
http://neistat.com/pages/contacts.htm

- Logic316



"...trusting the government with your privacy is like
having a Peeping Tom install your window blinds."
-- John Perry Barlow

[Elaine T]

Logic316 wrote:
> fondoo wrote:
>
>> WARNING: video clip maybe be disturbing to some people.
>>
>> http://neistat.com/pages/video_holding/goldfish_holding.htm
>
>
>
> This video was made by a couple of artsy-fartsy kooks who call
> themselves "The Neistat Brothers". Apparently, they think this is some
> kind of cool art. Let's get together and mail-bomb their site:
> http://neistat.com/pages/contacts.htm
>
> - Logic316

I figure I'll fight extremists with more extremists instead. You can
report this to .

--
Elaine T __
http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com

[Logic316]

Elaine T wrote:
> Logic316 wrote:
>> This video was made by a couple of artsy-fartsy kooks who call
>> themselves "The Neistat Brothers". Apparently, they think this is some
>> kind of cool art. Let's get together and mail-bomb their site:
>> http://neistat.com/pages/contacts.htm
>>
>> - Logic316
>
>
> I figure I'll fight extremists with more extremists instead. You can
> report this to .


Ugh, I'm gonna need to sterilize my keyboard. I never thought I'd ask
for anything from those fake blood throwing loonies, but I received a
response from PETA recommending the following link for reporting the
portrayal of any animal abuse on the web:
http://www.animalactivist.com/onlinecruelty.asp

- Logic316




"...trusting the government with your privacy is like
having a Peeping Tom install your window blinds."
-- John Perry Barlow

[Lilly]

It is beyond disturbing. If you look closely when they're taking the
last bit of Mt. Dew out, it appears darker than I would expect it to
be. I wonder if it was the fish's gills hemorrhaging. If it wasn't
cruel enough to that point, then they stick in a 9V battery to zap the
poor thing?

Their main office is in NYC. Maybe a call to "The Animal Cops" aka the
ASPCA is in order? I know I'm sending the info along to them.

I sent those spawns of Satan an email condemming that movie.

[Logic316]

Lilly wrote:

> I sent those spawns of Satan an email condemming that movie.

So did I. "Artists" like these simply get off on the attention from the
public generated by the shock value of their crap. In my opinion, true
artists know that offending people is not the same thing as making them
think. In any case, if they don't take it down soon, I'll have a word
with their Internet company to see if they'll do anything.

- Logic316


"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

[temp]

Logic316 wrote:
> Lilly wrote:
>
>> I sent those spawns of Satan an email condemming that movie.
>
>
> So did I. "Artists" like these simply get off on the attention from the
> public generated by the shock value of their crap. In my opinion, true
> artists know that offending people is not the same thing as making them
> think.

Obviously. You don't even seem to have noticed the fact that it's not
possible to bring a goldfish back to life by zapping it with a 9-volt
battery.

The question to ask is not "why did they do that?" but "how did they do
that?" You see people being murdered in the movies everyday and it never
occurs to you that the actors were really murdered. Why does it not
occur to you that the fish was not really killed?

It's a movie.

[Logic316]

temp wrote:

>> So did I. "Artists" like these simply get off on the attention from
>> the public generated by the shock value of their crap. In my opinion,
>> true artists know that offending people is not the same thing as
>> making them think.
>
>
> Obviously.

Quite. Yes indeed. Indubitably.


> You don't even seem to have noticed the fact that it's not
> possible to bring a goldfish back to life by zapping it with a 9-volt
> battery.

Not literally of course, but precisely how much do YOU know about fish,
Mr. Temp? In my experience (keeping fish, treating them for disease, as
well as catching fish), it's easily possible for a fish to be extremely
ill and floating apparently motionless on it's side, but still be able
to instantly dart away and thrash around like lightning when you poke at
it, and then right itself again temporarily. The goldfish perhaps wasn't
quite dead when it got zapped, merely close to death, and if the video
had continued further on, it probably would have shown the goldfish
settling down after a few seconds and then floating back to the top on
it's side again. It then may have slowly recovered from it's Mountain
Dew "treatment" afterwards.


> The question to ask is not "why did they do that?" but "how did they do
> that?" You see people being murdered in the movies everyday and it never
> occurs to you that the actors were really murdered. Why does it not
> occur to you that the fish was not really killed?

That is an interesting question which we haven't thought of. It is hard
to always be sure what's real and what isn't in a movie. However, when
you see people being killed in a movie, everybody knows it isn't real
because it would be totally illegal. If you see animals being hurt in a
movie, you can't be sure whether or not it's fake unless it's an
officially released movie carrying a legal disclaimer in the credits (no
actual animals were injured in the making of this film, etc.) because
animals have relatively few legal protections, and it costs more and
it's much harder to make a fake scene look realistic than to simply make
a real scene. And the fact is, animals HAVE been hurt and killed in the
past simply for the sake of producing movies and cutting costs in the
process, but no real human "snuff" film has ever been commercially
produced. The logical thing is to assume a video like this might be real
unless proven otherwise.


> It's a movie.

And a sick one at that. I have no problem with people exercising their
First Amendment right to tweak the noses of arrogant and out-of-touch
animal rights wackos (PETAphiles) and other left-wing radical types.
Hell, I thought the Bonsai Kitten site at http://www.bonsaikitten.com
was hilarious, because it's clearly so unrealistic only a fanatic would
take it seriously. But this is just plain offensive to anybody who
merely happens to like animals.

- Logic316



"Taxpayer: that's someone who works for the federal government but
doesn't have to take the civil service examination."
-- Ronald Reagan

[Lilly]

I wholeheartedly agree with Logic316. It is very possible that fish was
still alive when it got the 9V goose. Whether or not it was alive at
that point isn't really the issue. Up to that point the goldfish was
clearly under stress and it was torture. If it wasn't dead by that
point, well I'm sure it was after.

That said, after some reflection on it I realized that what also upsets
is that "movies" of this ilk are considered okay by a portion of
society. Images/movies like this cause desensitization, essentially
leading to erosion of civility in society in bites so small you
probably wouldn't notice. Look around, the news is full of examples;

teens and adults that used to pull wings off insects, but graduated to
maiming and killing cats/dogs, then onto people,

a recent story that ran in Savannah, GA paper about a woman who came
home to find she'd been robbed, but could only find one of her two
dogs. There was a funky smell in the house. The police officer
discovered her terrier roasting in the oven at 400F,

I've had friends who's home has been robbed, the cat nearly beaten to
death and bleach poured into fish tanks.

They replied to my mail. Based on the lack of grammar, and grasp of the
English language, I'm not surprised that a stunt like this would be
executed by them.

Lilly

ps: Logic, I though BK was cute too. Have you seen
http://www.dansdata.com/kitten.htm ?

OBLIGATRY GOLDFISH COMMENT:

The Oranda, the survivor of the 3 goldfish I put in a friend's pond, is
happily bobbling around the "lake." She's grown so much this summer and
no longer looks like a fingerling next to the 12"+ Comet. I can't wait
to net her and get her back into the tank so I can see all her glory.
Just wish the other two made it; one death to dragonfly larvae and one
(presumably) to a large frog since we never found it. Maybe I did
better with the Cherry Barbs and Pearl Gourami, hopefully there are
lots of babies from them.

[Logic316]

Lilly wrote:

> They replied to my mail. Based on the lack of grammar, and grasp of the
> English language, I'm not surprised that a stunt like this would be
> executed by them.

I'm curious; did they write anything worth mentioning, or was their
reply pointless and insulting?


> ps: Logic, I though BK was cute too. Have you seen
> http://www.dansdata.com/kitten.htm ?

"Clearly, and despite competing opinions, a kitten is substantially
preferable to a puppy. It's also, incidentally, obvious that a new video
card is 1.5 times as desirable as a baby."

"In their favour, babies can be made at home and offer superior resale
value."

:-)

- Logic316



"Here's something to think about: How come you never see a headline like
'Psychic Wins Lottery'? "
-- Jay Leno

[Lilly]

Judge for yourself:

> From:
> Subject: Re:
> Date: August 31, 2005 12:59:42 PM EDT
> To:
>
>pure evil? wowsers. thanks for the feedback anyways. sorry you didn't
>like the movie
>
>On 8/31/05 12:20 PM, " >
>wrote:
>
>You should be ashamed of that goldfish movie. That is torture in it's purest form.
>
>You and your firm are, in my opinion, pure evil.

I still chuckle when I visit dansdata/kitten. The comparision photo is
hillarious.

[Logic316]

Lilly wrote:
> Judge for yourself:
>
>
>> From:
>> Subject: Re:
>> Date: August 31, 2005 12:59:42 PM EDT
>> To:
>>
>>pure evil? wowsers. thanks for the feedback anyways. sorry you didn't
>>like the movie


Ah. Just clueless and apathetic then.


- Logic316



"Don't you wish there were a knob on the TV to turn up the
intelligence? There's one marked "Brightness," but it doesn't work."
-- Gallagher

[Lord Don]

"Logic316" > wrote in message
...
> Lilly wrote:
>> Judge for yourself:
>>
>>
>>> From:
>>> Subject: Re:
>>> Date: August 31, 2005 12:59:42 PM EDT
>>> To:
>>>
>>>pure evil? wowsers. thanks for the feedback anyways. sorry you didn't
>>>like the movie
>
>
> Ah. Just clueless and apathetic then.
>
>
> - Logic316
>
>
>
> "Don't you wish there were a knob on the TV to turn up the
> intelligence? There's one marked "Brightness," but it doesn't work."
> -- Gallagher


You guys are such pussy's
Heaven help you if you had to watch a koi get operated on or a commercial
goldfish farm do a cull.
Down a viagra and harden the hell up.

[Logic316]

Lord Don wrote:

> You guys are such pussy's
> Heaven help you if you had to watch a koi get operated on or a commercial
> goldfish farm do a cull.
> Down a viagra and harden the hell up.


Well, for your information 'Lord Don' (gee what a manly man name you
have. You must be compensating for something?), this is not a matter of
squeamishness. Besides keeping fish, I also like to go fishing and have
no problem with catching a fish, taking the hook out of it's mouth (or
throat if it was unfortunate enough to swallow it), whacking it over the
head with a mallet, cleaning it, covering it with flour and paprika,
frying it in oil, and then eating it - somehow, food tastes better when
you've caught it yourself. I'm no airheaded animal rights wacko. But
what bothers us is seeing somebody torture a fish simply for it's own
sake to provide personal amusement, especially a type of fish that's
intended to be kept as a pet.

- Logic316


Logic: n. The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with
the limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding.
-- Ambrose Bierce

[swarvegorilla]

"Logic316" > wrote in message
...
> Lord Don wrote:
>
>> You guys are such pussy's
>> Heaven help you if you had to watch a koi get operated on or a commercial
>> goldfish farm do a cull.
>> Down a viagra and harden the hell up.
>
>
> Well, for your information 'Lord Don' (gee what a manly man name you have.
> You must be compensating for something?),

I don't compensate but cheers for commenting on my penis.
It is a beauty, I agree!
:-)

this is not a matter of
> squeamishness. Besides keeping fish, I also like to go fishing and have no
> problem with catching a fish, taking the hook out of it's mouth (or throat
> if it was unfortunate enough to swallow it), whacking it over the head
> with a mallet, cleaning it, covering it with flour and paprika, frying it
> in oil, and then eating it - somehow, food tastes better when you've
> caught it yourself. I'm no airheaded animal rights wacko. But what bothers
> us is seeing somebody torture a fish simply for it's own sake to provide
> personal amusement, especially a type of fish that's intended to be kept
> as a pet.
>
> - Logic316

So much for all the logic bull**** then hey?
All emotion.
If ya wanna chat with me, get it under control and don't make lame calls.
If ya can't do that, your nothing to me anyway.
:-)
Merry xmas
Swarvegorilla



>
>
> Logic: n. The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the
> limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding.
> -- Ambrose Bierce

[Yorkshire Pudding]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:41:52 +1100, "swarvegorilla"
> wrote:

>
>"Logic316" > wrote in message
...
>> Lord Don wrote:
>>
>>> You guys are such pussy's
>>> Heaven help you if you had to watch a koi get operated on or a commercial
>>> goldfish farm do a cull.
>>> Down a viagra and harden the hell up.
>>
>>
>> Well, for your information 'Lord Don' (gee what a manly man name you have.
>> You must be compensating for something?),
>
>I don't compensate but cheers for commenting on my penis.
>It is a beauty, I agree!
>:-)
>
> this is not a matter of
>> squeamishness. Besides keeping fish, I also like to go fishing and have no
>> problem with catching a fish, taking the hook out of it's mouth (or throat
>> if it was unfortunate enough to swallow it), whacking it over the head
>> with a mallet, cleaning it, covering it with flour and paprika, frying it
>> in oil, and then eating it - somehow, food tastes better when you've
>> caught it yourself. I'm no airheaded animal rights wacko. But what bothers
>> us is seeing somebody torture a fish simply for it's own sake to provide
>> personal amusement, especially a type of fish that's intended to be kept
>> as a pet.
>>
>> - Logic316
>
>So much for all the logic bull**** then hey?
>All emotion.
>If ya wanna chat with me, get it under control and don't make lame calls.
>If ya can't do that, your nothing to me anyway.
>:-)
>Merry xmas
>Swarvegorilla
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Logic: n. The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the
>> limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding.
>> -- Ambrose Bierce
>

Swarve Gorrilla, either you're making a feeble attempt at a wind up or
you are competing for the "Tosser of the year award", either way, you
win hands down.

YP

[swarvegorilla]

<Yorkshire Pudding> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 01:41:52 +1100, "swarvegorilla"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Logic316" > wrote in message
...
>>> Lord Don wrote:
>>>
>>>> You guys are such pussy's
>>>> Heaven help you if you had to watch a koi get operated on or a
>>>> commercial
>>>> goldfish farm do a cull.
>>>> Down a viagra and harden the hell up.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, for your information 'Lord Don' (gee what a manly man name you
>>> have.
>>> You must be compensating for something?),
>>
>>I don't compensate but cheers for commenting on my penis.
>>It is a beauty, I agree!
>>:-)
>>
>> this is not a matter of
>>> squeamishness. Besides keeping fish, I also like to go fishing and have
>>> no
>>> problem with catching a fish, taking the hook out of it's mouth (or
>>> throat
>>> if it was unfortunate enough to swallow it), whacking it over the head
>>> with a mallet, cleaning it, covering it with flour and paprika, frying
>>> it
>>> in oil, and then eating it - somehow, food tastes better when you've
>>> caught it yourself. I'm no airheaded animal rights wacko. But what
>>> bothers
>>> us is seeing somebody torture a fish simply for it's own sake to provide
>>> personal amusement, especially a type of fish that's intended to be kept
>>> as a pet.
>>>
>>> - Logic316
>>
>>So much for all the logic bull**** then hey?
>>All emotion.
>>If ya wanna chat with me, get it under control and don't make lame calls.
>>If ya can't do that, your nothing to me anyway.
>>:-)
>>Merry xmas
>>Swarvegorilla
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Logic: n. The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with
>>> the
>>> limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding.
>>> -- Ambrose Bierce
>>
>
> Swarve Gorrilla, either you're making a feeble attempt at a wind up or
> you are competing for the "Tosser of the year award", either way, you
> win hands down.
>
> YP
>

Why thank you kind sir!
Actually just posting on usenet after drinking heavily after watching some
dum assed pedestrian walk out in front of a 4X4 and get her head smacked.
messed up day. remind me of plastics stacking into buses and stuff in
penang.
whatever, or get bent or whatever ya need to hear to write it off as a
random stupid post.
but yea not drunk now and YP? I ain't even gonna try a), b) or c) what ever
it is your trying to do but yea I take option D.
unsubscribe.
as i said merry xmas peoples
Swarvegorilla

[Yorkshire Pudding]

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:03:44 +1100, "swarvegorilla"
> wrote:


>Why thank you kind sir!
>Actually just posting on usenet after drinking heavily after watching some
>dum assed pedestrian walk out in front of a 4X4 and get her head smacked.
>messed up day. remind me of plastics stacking into buses and stuff in
>penang.
>whatever, or get bent or whatever ya need to hear to write it off as a
>random stupid post.
>but yea not drunk now and YP? I ain't even gonna try a), b) or c) what ever
>it is your trying to do but yea I take option D.
>unsubscribe.
>as i said merry xmas peoples
>Swarvegorilla
>
Are you sure you're not still drunk?

YP