Regarding Koi-Lo's "info" = )~ [Archive]

Tynk

November 22nd 05, 03:08 PM

Koi-lo wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
> > me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out. Newbies don't
> > know the difference.
> ======================
> The information isn't BOGUS. This is an open forum where everyone is
> allowed an opinion whether you agree with their opinion or not. Anyone who
> looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live, and live full
> life-spans. That they do this somehow annoys you to death. I'm sorry you
> feel that way. Millions of bettas live in other than 2 or 3 gallon heated
> filtered tanks. Not everyone has the money or space for 2 to 3 gallon
> heated, filtered tanks per betta.
> --
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
Anyone who
> looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live
I did. It's a sad, sad situation for them.
Did you not know that you shouldn't ever keep any tank/bowl/vase or
whatever in direct sunlight? That's about as common knowledge as you
need to add water to a tank. LOL

Not everyone has the money or space for 2 to 3 gallon
> heated, filtered tanks per betta
If somebody didn't have the money to properly care for a certain
animal, then said person should have gotten the animal. That's quite
obvious.
You tend to think by saying the same thing over and over that it's
going to make it better or true. It doesn't.

Koi-lo

November 22nd 05, 06:19 PM

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Koi-lo wrote:
>> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> > For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
>> > me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out. Newbies don't
>> > know the difference.
>> ======================
>> The information isn't BOGUS. This is an open forum where everyone is
>> allowed an opinion whether you agree with their opinion or not. Anyone
>> who
>> looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live, and live
>> full
>> life-spans. That they do this somehow annoys you to death. I'm sorry
>> you
>> feel that way. Millions of bettas live in other than 2 or 3 gallon
>> heated
>> filtered tanks. Not everyone has the money or space for 2 to 3 gallon
>> heated, filtered tanks per betta.
>> --
>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
>> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

> Anyone who
>> looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live

> I did. It's a sad, sad situation for them.

## In your opinion. They live as long as the betta in the 2 gallon display
tank that is filtered - about 4 years.

> Did you not know that you shouldn't ever keep any tank/bowl/vase or
> whatever in direct sunlight? That's about as common knowledge as you
> need to add water to a tank. LOL

## LOL!!! :-D And they thrive and build bubble nests in these bowls all
their long lives.

> Not everyone has the money or space for 2 to 3 gallon
>> heated, filtered tanks per betta

> If somebody didn't have the money to properly care for a certain
> animal, then said person should have gotten the animal. That's quite
> obvious.

## And yet millions of bettas live out their lives in other than heated,
filtered 2 to 3 gallon tanks.

> You tend to think by saying the same thing over and over that it's
> going to make it better or true. It doesn't.

## Then why are you repeating yourself over and over and over? If only
people who could afford a filtered, heated tanks for their bettas bought
them - few bettas would be sold at all. Breeders would be eating
them.........
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Tynk

November 22nd 05, 07:36 PM

Koi-lo wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > Koi-lo wrote:
> >> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> > For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
> >> > me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out. Newbies don't
> >> > know the difference.
> >> ======================
> >> The information isn't BOGUS. This is an open forum where everyone is
> >> allowed an opinion whether you agree with their opinion or not. Anyone
> >> who
> >> looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live, and live
> >> full
> >> life-spans. That they do this somehow annoys you to death. I'm sorry
> >> you
> >> feel that way. Millions of bettas live in other than 2 or 3 gallon
> >> heated
> >> filtered tanks. Not everyone has the money or space for 2 to 3 gallon
> >> heated, filtered tanks per betta.
> >> --
> >> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> >> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
> >> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
> > Anyone who
> >> looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live
>
> > I did. It's a sad, sad situation for them.
>
> ## In your opinion. They live as long as the betta in the 2 gallon display
> tank that is filtered - about 4 years.
>
> > Did you not know that you shouldn't ever keep any tank/bowl/vase or
> > whatever in direct sunlight? That's about as common knowledge as you
> > need to add water to a tank. LOL
>
> ## LOL!!! :-D And they thrive and build bubble nests in these bowls all
> their long lives.
>
> > Not everyone has the money or space for 2 to 3 gallon
> >> heated, filtered tanks per betta
>
> > If somebody didn't have the money to properly care for a certain
> > animal, then said person should have gotten the animal. That's quite
> > obvious.
>
> ## And yet millions of bettas live out their lives in other than heated,
> filtered 2 to 3 gallon tanks.
>
> > You tend to think by saying the same thing over and over that it's
> > going to make it better or true. It doesn't.
>
> ## Then why are you repeating yourself over and over and over? If only
> people who could afford a filtered, heated tanks for their bettas bought
> them - few bettas would be sold at all. Breeders would be eating
> them.........
> --
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
Again....
Breeders have heated fish rooms!!! They don't need to have separate
heaters ine ach tank because of this.
By the way....
Bettas will blow bubble nests out of boredom too. It does NOT mean that
they are thriving.
Again, you lack of knowledge on these fish is showing.
Everything I have said is NOT my opinion and can be checked for facts
anywhere online.
It is, however, my opinion that they should be housed in tanks *over* a
gallon. It is NOT my opinion that a 1 gallon is a minimum size tank.
Again, that can be checked for facts on many sites and in books.
Please stop calling everything I recommend for Bettas "My opinion". 99%
of it are true facts and have nothing to do with my personal opinions.
My personal opinion is to not house them in anything under 2gal for any
legnth of time. For short periods, sure. For life, no. However, that is
my opinion. The facts are that nothing under a gallon should be
considered for lifetime quarters.
Breeders do not keep males around for the rest of their lives, as you
seem to think.
Breeding males are used from the age of 4/6 months of age to about 8
months old is getting too old. They are then sold with the rest of
their stock for sale.
Living in smaller quarters at the breeder's house is for several months
only.
Usually, any special ones that are kept as pets are kept in proper size
tanks.
The breeders that mention that have had Bettas in tiny containers all
over the place and not in a heated room is obviously a poor breeder, or
just starting out without the proper setup, doesn't know the proper
conditions, or doesn't give a crap.
If these breeders are top notch they would be doing it the proper way.
I'm sure these "many breeders" have web sites showing their fish
rooms..oh wait...that's right.....they don't have fish rooms.

Koi-lo

November 22nd 05, 10:01 PM

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Koi-lo wrote:
>> ## Then why are you repeating yourself over and over and over? If only
>> people who could afford a filtered, heated tanks for their bettas bought
>> them - few bettas would be sold at all. Breeders would be eating
>> them.........
>> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

> Again....
> Breeders have heated fish rooms!!! They don't need to have separate
> heaters ine ach tank because of this.

## The point was no one would buy them in the petshops if they had to spend
another $35 on a 2 gallon tank, heater and filter. What would the breeders
do if no one would buy their fish?

> By the way....
> Bettas will blow bubble nests out of boredom too. It does NOT mean that
> they are thriving.
> Again, you lack of knowledge on these fish is showing.

## So is yours since they live for 4 years, sometimes a few months more.
They can get just as bored in a 2 gallon filtered heated tank.

> Everything I have said is NOT my opinion and can be checked for facts
> anywhere online.

## I already have.

> It is, however, my opinion that they should be housed in tanks *over* a
> gallon. It is NOT my opinion that a 1 gallon is a minimum size tank.
> Again, that can be checked for facts on many sites and in books.

## Read some other websites. I did. They recommend changing the water
every 3 days if in less than 1 gallon. With gravel and a plant there is no
ammonia so a week works fine.

> Please stop calling everything I recommend for Bettas "My opinion". 99%
> of it are true facts and have nothing to do with my personal opinions.

## The FACTS is they can live their entire lives in 1/2 gallon containers
if the water quality is keep pristine and they're not overfed with funguses
and rotting food on the bottom.

> My personal opinion is to not house them in anything under 2gal for any
> legnth of time. For short periods, sure. For life, no. However, that is
> my opinion. The facts are that nothing under a gallon should be
> considered for lifetime quarters.
> Breeders do not keep males around for the rest of their lives, as you
> seem to think.

## Of course not. They sell them after a few spawns not knowing what kind of
home the fish will get. Have you seen the conditions they're kept under at
Wally World for example or some of the chain pet stores? Who do you think
will come along and buy them? Not someone with $35 to $40 who plans to buy
a 1 or 2 gallon tank for them plus a heater and filter. Who is at these
stores *saving* these fish? Have you done anything other than post here to
stop the horrendous abuse of bettas and fish in general out there?

> Breeding males are used from the age of 4/6 months of age to about 8
> months old is getting too old. They are then sold with the rest of
> their stock for sale.
> Living in smaller quarters at the breeder's house is for several months
> only.

## What makes you think all the fish you sell are ending up in 1 to 2 gallon
heated, filtered tanks? Once they go out your door you have no idea what
will happen to them.

> Usually, any special ones that are kept as pets are kept in proper size
> tanks.
> The breeders that mention that have had Bettas in tiny containers all
> over the place and not in a heated room is obviously a poor breeder, or
> just starting out without the proper setup, doesn't know the proper
> conditions, or doesn't give a crap.

## Again, you seem to think everyone can afford an extra room (extra rent)
plus heating it to tropical conditions (higher utility bills) and/or
everyone lives in a house - just for their fish! You need to face the fact
that most bettas sold these days are going to end up in a bowl in someone's
home or apartment. Most will probably be dead in a few months - if they
last that long when the novelty wears off.

> If these breeders are top notch they would be doing it the proper way.
> I'm sure these "many breeders" have web sites showing their fish
> rooms..oh wait...that's right.....they don't have fish rooms.

## Being sarcastic gets you nowhere. If everyone who bought a betta had to
spend another $35- $40 for a tank, heater and filter the betta breeders
would be eating their fish - there wouldn't be enough customers to buy them.
That was the point that sailed right over your head. Now if you really gave
a damn you would be out there fighting for better care of the fish in stores
like the non-pet chains instead of ragging on people (whose bettas are
living 4 years) here on a NG..........

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Zod

November 23rd 05, 10:28 AM

Tynk wrote:
> For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
> me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out. Newbies don't
> know the difference.

Carolyn Adamo Gulley is a known liar. She pretends expertise. This has
been discussed before. Hop over to rec.ponds to see all her garbage
there.

>> A HUGE sorry to the regs that have already killfile'd their posts and
> see a million by me correcting the "info" this person is dishing out.
> There's enough bogus and downright BAD info out there on these fish
> that are very special to me....as much as Angelfish are, and I cannot
> just ignore it.
>

Zod

November 23rd 05, 10:30 AM

Larry wrote:
> On 21 Nov 2005 11:17:38 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
>
> >For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
> >me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out
>
> This "person" has been kerplonked by many in the rec. ponds ng.

She is also a coward.

Zod

November 23rd 05, 10:31 AM

Koi-lo wrote:
> "Larry" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 21 Nov 2005 11:17:38 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:
> >
> >>For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
> >>me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out
> >
> > This "person" has been kerplonked by many in the rec. ponds ng.
> ================================
> You forgot to tell her why - that most can't read a header in rec.ponds so
> don't know who is posting what there - and I've been *impersonated* there by
> two people on that group.
>

Sure...Sure...

Why dont we ask rec.ponder that...

> So you either forgot to mention that for some reason,.... or you don't know
> how to read headers either.
>
>

The issue is you are a bogus expert.

Zod

November 23rd 05, 10:33 AM

Zod

November 23rd 05, 10:35 AM

Tynk wrote:

> Anyone who
> > looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live
> I did. It's a sad, sad situation for them.

> Did you not know that you shouldn't ever keep any tank/bowl/vase or
> whatever in direct sunlight? That's about as common knowledge as you
> need to add water to a tank. LOL
>
>

Zod

November 23rd 05, 10:37 AM

Notice How Carol tries to cover up...
Cut and pasting replies fro blogs like if she knew what she is taliking
about.

Koi-lo wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Koi-lo wrote:
> >> ## Then why are you repeating yourself over and over and over? If only
> >> people who could afford a filtered, heated tanks for their bettas bought
> >> them - few bettas would be sold at all. Breeders would be eating
> >> them.........
> >> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
> > Again....
> > Breeders have heated fish rooms!!! They don't need to have separate
> > heaters ine ach tank because of this.
>
> ## The point was no one would buy them in the petshops if they had to spend
> another $35 on a 2 gallon tank, heater and filter. What would the breeders
> do if no one would buy their fish?
>
> > By the way....
> > Bettas will blow bubble nests out of boredom too. It does NOT mean that
> > they are thriving.
> > Again, you lack of knowledge on these fish is showing.
>
> ## So is yours since they live for 4 years, sometimes a few months more.
> They can get just as bored in a 2 gallon filtered heated tank.
>
> > Everything I have said is NOT my opinion and can be checked for facts
> > anywhere online.
>
> ## I already have.
>
> > It is, however, my opinion that they should be housed in tanks *over* a
> > gallon. It is NOT my opinion that a 1 gallon is a minimum size tank.
> > Again, that can be checked for facts on many sites and in books.
>
> ## Read some other websites. I did. They recommend changing the water
> every 3 days if in less than 1 gallon. With gravel and a plant there is no
> ammonia so a week works fine.
>
> > Please stop calling everything I recommend for Bettas "My opinion". 99%
> > of it are true facts and have nothing to do with my personal opinions.
>
> ## The FACTS is they can live their entire lives in 1/2 gallon containers
> if the water quality is keep pristine and they're not overfed with funguses
> and rotting food on the bottom.
>
> > My personal opinion is to not house them in anything under 2gal for any
> > legnth of time. For short periods, sure. For life, no. However, that is
> > my opinion. The facts are that nothing under a gallon should be
> > considered for lifetime quarters.
> > Breeders do not keep males around for the rest of their lives, as you
> > seem to think.
>
> ## Of course not. They sell them after a few spawns not knowing what kind of
> home the fish will get. Have you seen the conditions they're kept under at
> Wally World for example or some of the chain pet stores? Who do you think
> will come along and buy them? Not someone with $35 to $40 who plans to buy
> a 1 or 2 gallon tank for them plus a heater and filter. Who is at these
> stores *saving* these fish? Have you done anything other than post here to
> stop the horrendous abuse of bettas and fish in general out there?
>
> > Breeding males are used from the age of 4/6 months of age to about 8
> > months old is getting too old. They are then sold with the rest of
> > their stock for sale.
> > Living in smaller quarters at the breeder's house is for several months
> > only.
>
> ## What makes you think all the fish you sell are ending up in 1 to 2 gallon
> heated, filtered tanks? Once they go out your door you have no idea what
> will happen to them.
>
> > Usually, any special ones that are kept as pets are kept in proper size
> > tanks.
> > The breeders that mention that have had Bettas in tiny containers all
> > over the place and not in a heated room is obviously a poor breeder, or
> > just starting out without the proper setup, doesn't know the proper
> > conditions, or doesn't give a crap.
>
> ## Again, you seem to think everyone can afford an extra room (extra rent)
> plus heating it to tropical conditions (higher utility bills) and/or
> everyone lives in a house - just for their fish! You need to face the fact
> that most bettas sold these days are going to end up in a bowl in someone's
> home or apartment. Most will probably be dead in a few months - if they
> last that long when the novelty wears off.
>
> > If these breeders are top notch they would be doing it the proper way.
> > I'm sure these "many breeders" have web sites showing their fish
> > rooms..oh wait...that's right.....they don't have fish rooms.
>
> ## Being sarcastic gets you nowhere. If everyone who bought a betta had to
> spend another $35- $40 for a tank, heater and filter the betta breeders
> would be eating their fish - there wouldn't be enough customers to buy them.
> That was the point that sailed right over your head. Now if you really gave
> a damn you would be out there fighting for better care of the fish in stores
> like the non-pet chains instead of ragging on people (whose bettas are
> living 4 years) here on a NG..........
>
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Tynk

November 23rd 05, 09:08 PM

Zod wrote:
> Tynk wrote:
> > For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
> > me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out. Newbies don't
> > know the difference.
>
>
> Carolyn Adamo Gulley is a known liar. She pretends expertise. This has
> been discussed before. Hop over to rec.ponds to see all her garbage
> there.
>
> >> A HUGE sorry to the regs that have already killfile'd their posts and
> > see a million by me correcting the "info" this person is dishing out.
> > There's enough bogus and downright BAD info out there on these fish
> > that are very special to me....as much as Angelfish are, and I cannot
> > just ignore it.
> >
Thanks Zod.
I was warned about this person. This was why I created this post and
saying sorry to the other regs here who may see a million of my posts
correcting her bad and bogus "info" when it comes to these fish. I fear
a newbie may take their "advice" and house a beautiful Betta in a tiny
glass bowl they think is fine to do.
Sheesh! Simply because a fish will survive horrible conditions doens't
make it fine, or that they thrive.
The simple fact that they say ALL their Bettas live to 4 yrs of age is
hillarious.
Being a breeder and hobbyist, I keep all my "pet" Bettas in the best
possible conditions that they can ever have and sure, many live 4, 5,
and a few well over 6 yrs of age. However, the average is 2-3 yrs. It's
rediculous to claim that ALL of their Bettas lived for 4 yrs. Anyone
who breeds them, or has gotten them from a breeder and knows their
birthdates, had them till the day they die knows the true average of a
Bettas lifespan.
They also seem to think I *don't* try and do anything about the
horrible conditions they are kept in at local shops and chains stores.
Let me tell you, I sure do!! I print out care sheets, I stand there
until somebody comes to clean filthy containers. I explain to every
employee that the locals shops get in about their proper care, and
where to research it etc.
I spend hours every week onthe puter doing the same.
It wasn't like this nearly 30 yrs ago. Sure they may have been kept in
smaller bowls (Not in the local shops I went to as a child, the males
were in the tanks), but they were treated like any other tropical fish,
except that you couldn't house 2 males together.
No body kept them in tiny little bowls.
I write to companies that sell these tiny Betta tanks, bowls, jars,
vases, etc and explain the proper care. Of course money wins every time
and what do they care about the fish...they care about the all mighty
dollar.
When I sell my Betta stock I ask the person how they plan on housing
the fish.
If they say anything smaller than a gallon, I won't sell to them.
The mass bred fish farmers don't give a crap, and just want the cash.
That's the reason why veils are so sickly now a days. Way too much
inbreeding and mass breeding to keep the lines healthy.
The veils of present couldn't hold a candle to the veils of the past.
Now the mass breeders are trashing the Crowntails and Deltas soon too.
The spindly looking Crowntails out there are proof of what mass
breeding is doing to these fish.
People who don't know any better (or don't care), house them in poor
conditions, they die off quickly, they buy another to replace it.
That's why the shops buy and sell so many each week.
It's really quite sad.

Tynk

November 23rd 05, 09:13 PM

Koi-lo wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Koi-lo wrote:
> >> ## Then why are you repeating yourself over and over and over? If only
> >> people who could afford a filtered, heated tanks for their bettas bought
> >> them - few bettas would be sold at all. Breeders would be eating
> >> them.........
> >> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
> > Again....
> > Breeders have heated fish rooms!!! They don't need to have separate
> > heaters ine ach tank because of this.
>
> ## The point was no one would buy them in the petshops if they had to spend
> another $35 on a 2 gallon tank, heater and filter. What would the breeders
> do if no one would buy their fish?

*Spoken like Jame T Kirk, Cpt. of the Star ship Enterprise*
I...must....resist the URGE... to respOND...
ROFL

>
> > By the way....
> > Bettas will blow bubble nests out of boredom too. It does NOT mean that
> > they are thriving.
> > Again, you lack of knowledge on these fish is showing.
>
> ## So is yours since they live for 4 years, sometimes a few months more.
> They can get just as bored in a 2 gallon filtered heated tank.
>
> > Everything I have said is NOT my opinion and can be checked for facts
> > anywhere online.
>
> ## I already have.
>
> > It is, however, my opinion that they should be housed in tanks *over* a
> > gallon. It is NOT my opinion that a 1 gallon is a minimum size tank.
> > Again, that can be checked for facts on many sites and in books.
>
> ## Read some other websites. I did. They recommend changing the water
> every 3 days if in less than 1 gallon. With gravel and a plant there is no
> ammonia so a week works fine.
>
> > Please stop calling everything I recommend for Bettas "My opinion". 99%
> > of it are true facts and have nothing to do with my personal opinions.
>
> ## The FACTS is they can live their entire lives in 1/2 gallon containers
> if the water quality is keep pristine and they're not overfed with funguses
> and rotting food on the bottom.
>
> > My personal opinion is to not house them in anything under 2gal for any
> > legnth of time. For short periods, sure. For life, no. However, that is
> > my opinion. The facts are that nothing under a gallon should be
> > considered for lifetime quarters.
> > Breeders do not keep males around for the rest of their lives, as you
> > seem to think.
>
> ## Of course not. They sell them after a few spawns not knowing what kind of
> home the fish will get. Have you seen the conditions they're kept under at
> Wally World for example or some of the chain pet stores? Who do you think
> will come along and buy them? Not someone with $35 to $40 who plans to buy
> a 1 or 2 gallon tank for them plus a heater and filter. Who is at these
> stores *saving* these fish? Have you done anything other than post here to
> stop the horrendous abuse of bettas and fish in general out there?
>
> > Breeding males are used from the age of 4/6 months of age to about 8
> > months old is getting too old. They are then sold with the rest of
> > their stock for sale.
> > Living in smaller quarters at the breeder's house is for several months
> > only.
>
> ## What makes you think all the fish you sell are ending up in 1 to 2 gallon
> heated, filtered tanks? Once they go out your door you have no idea what
> will happen to them.
>
> > Usually, any special ones that are kept as pets are kept in proper size
> > tanks.
> > The breeders that mention that have had Bettas in tiny containers all
> > over the place and not in a heated room is obviously a poor breeder, or
> > just starting out without the proper setup, doesn't know the proper
> > conditions, or doesn't give a crap.
>
> ## Again, you seem to think everyone can afford an extra room (extra rent)
> plus heating it to tropical conditions (higher utility bills) and/or
> everyone lives in a house - just for their fish! You need to face the fact
> that most bettas sold these days are going to end up in a bowl in someone's
> home or apartment. Most will probably be dead in a few months - if they
> last that long when the novelty wears off.
>
> > If these breeders are top notch they would be doing it the proper way.
> > I'm sure these "many breeders" have web sites showing their fish
> > rooms..oh wait...that's right.....they don't have fish rooms.
>
> ## Being sarcastic gets you nowhere. If everyone who bought a betta had to
> spend another $35- $40 for a tank, heater and filter the betta breeders
> would be eating their fish - there wouldn't be enough customers to buy them.
> That was the point that sailed right over your head. Now if you really gave
> a damn you would be out there fighting for better care of the fish in stores
> like the non-pet chains instead of ragging on people (whose bettas are
> living 4 years) here on a NG..........
>
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Koi-lo

November 23rd 05, 09:31 PM

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Thanks Zod.
> I was warned about this person.

$$ Warned that I keep bettas in less than 2 gallon heated and filtered
tanks? That's never been a secret. LOL!!!

This was why I created this post and
> saying sorry to the other regs here who may see a million of my posts
> correcting her bad and bogus "info" when it comes to these fish.

$$ The information is not BOGUS as millions of bettas are kept in less than
2 gallon heated and filtered tanks.

I fear
> a newbie may take their "advice" and house a beautiful Betta in a tiny
> glass bowl they think is fine to do.

$$ A tiny glass bowl?

> Sheesh! Simply because a fish will survive horrible conditions doens't
> make it fine, or that they thrive.

$$ Sheesh! Millions of them thrive in other than 2 gallon heated and
filtered tanks.

> The simple fact that they say ALL their Bettas live to 4 yrs of age is
> hillarious.

$$ Hahahahaha!!!! It is hilarious! :-D Mine do! I seldom lose one
unless I leave then in someone else's care. You need to breed a hardier
strain of bettas. Maybe you're inbreeding them too closely.

> Being a breeder and hobbyist, I keep all my "pet" Bettas in the best
> possible conditions that they can ever have and sure, many live 4, 5,
> and a few well over 6 yrs of age. However, the average is 2-3 yrs.

$$ The average they live at my house is 4 years, some to almost 4 1/2. What
next - yours live 8 to 10 years?

It's
> rediculous to claim that ALL of their Bettas lived for 4 yrs.

$$ It's ridiculous to claim you know how long someone else's fish live.
Yes, a healthy betta lives for 4 years in these unheated unfiltered "bowls"
or large jars. Why does that bother you so much? I'm starting to think
you own stock in a fishtank, filter or heater company -or maybe you have
stock in a chain pet-shop :-) When I see you fighting for the better
treatment of these fish in the stores that sell them to people, along with a
tiny 8 oz. ivy bowl they're also sold to keep them in, I will know you are
sincere. Until then........ it's all so much hot air!

Snip same old rant.....

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Tynk

November 23rd 05, 09:38 PM

Not taking your bait anymore.
You are wasting space here Koi-Lo.

Koi-lo

November 23rd 05, 09:39 PM

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Koi-lo wrote:
>> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >
>> > Koi-lo wrote:
>> >> ## Then why are you repeating yourself over and over and over? If
>> >> only
>> >> people who could afford a filtered, heated tanks for their bettas
>> >> bought
>> >> them - few bettas would be sold at all. Breeders would be eating
>> >> them.........
>> >> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>>
>> > Again....
>> > Breeders have heated fish rooms!!! They don't need to have separate
>> > heaters ine ach tank because of this.
>>
>> ## The point was no one would buy them in the petshops if they had to
>> spend
>> another $35 on a 2 gallon tank, heater and filter. What would the
>> breeders
>> do if no one would buy their fish?
>
> *Spoken like Jame T Kirk, Cpt. of the Star ship Enterprise*
> I...must....resist the URGE... to respOND...
> ROFL
=========================
ROFLMAO!!!! Why? Just keep repeating the same thing - which wont change
the fact that most bettas sold do not end up in heated and filtered 2
gallons tanks. ;-) Have a happy holiday!
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Tynk

November 23rd 05, 09:43 PM

Quit wasting space!

Koi-lo

November 23rd 05, 10:05 PM

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Not taking your bait anymore.
> You are wasting space here Koi-Lo.
===========================
Ditto! You've been baiting and ragging on me over this betta issue for days
now. Even seeing the pictures you think you're being baited, that I put
them up just to bait you,.... a total stranger. I don't know what your
motive is but I have a good idea. Again, try and have a happy holiday.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Tynk

November 23rd 05, 10:34 PM

Koi-lo wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Not taking your bait anymore.
> > You are wasting space here Koi-Lo.
> ===========================
> Ditto! You've been baiting and ragging on me over this betta issue for days
> now. Even seeing the pictures you think you're being baited, that I put
> them up just to bait you,.... a total stranger. I don't know what your
> motive is but I have a good idea. Again, try and have a happy holiday.
> --
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
You've been baiting and ragging on me over this betta issue for days
> now. Even seeing the pictures you think you're being baited
I HAVE seen the pictures and it's PROOF that you are housing them in
tiny Ivy bowls.
That is UNSUITABLE for housing Bettas!
In your pictures that boast about, it clearly shows things around them
for size comparison.
They are much too tiny to house Bettas in. It's cruel.
And damned right I'm ragging at you for it because you seem to think
it's all fine and dandy. It simply is not right.
You wouldn't house a Koi, fully grown in a 20g tank would you?
Same difference. Yet you think it's perfectly fine to do it to Bettas.
Why on earth would you take proper care of only some of your animals?
Once again, Ivy bowls are MUCH too small.

JoinerKing

November 23rd 05, 11:01 PM

Tynk wrote:
>
> Thanks Zod.
> I was warned about this person. This was why I created this post and
> saying sorry to the other regs here who may see a million of my posts
> correcting her bad and bogus "info" when it comes to these fish. I fear
> a newbie may take their "advice" and house a beautiful Betta in a tiny
> glass bowl they think is fine to do.

That will happen. But not on rec.ponds, the moment read the header with
all of Carol's Trash, they highend outta there. And since no one is
paying her any mind in rec.ponds, she will now do the same to RAFM.

> Sheesh! Simply because a fish will survive horrible conditions doens't
> make it fine, or that they thrive.
> The simple fact that they say ALL their Bettas live to 4 yrs of age is
> hillarious.

Remember, this is a mentally ill woman who have to out do everyone else.
And she will lie to do so.

>

Koi-lo

November 23rd 05, 11:02 PM

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Koi-lo wrote:
>> Ditto! You've been baiting and ragging on me over this betta issue for
>> days
>> now. Even seeing the pictures you think you're being baited, that I put
>> them up just to bait you,.... a total stranger. I don't know what your
>> motive is but I have a good idea. Again, try and have a happy holiday.
>> --
>> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
>> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

> You've been baiting and ragging on me over this betta issue for days
>> now. Even seeing the pictures you think you're being baited
===================
> I HAVE seen the pictures and it's PROOF that you are housing them in
> tiny Ivy bowls.

## What tiny ivy bowls? These bowls hold slightly less than 1/2 gallon of
water and are changed weekly. Ammonia and nitrites are zero.

> That is UNSUITABLE for housing Bettas!

## In your opinion. Millions of bettas are housed in smaller containers
than these.

> In your pictures that boast about, it clearly shows things around them
> for size comparison.

## So? These hold slightly less than 1/2 gallon of water. Ammonia and
nitrites are zero.

> They are much too tiny to house Bettas in. It's cruel.

## That's YOUR OPINION. It's cruel to breed them, sell them and not know
where they're going to end up. Next you'll claim you personally visit every
household your thousands of young fish go to to make sure all get heated,
filtered tanks. That must take at least 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365
days a year......... when do you have time for anything else?

> And damned right I'm ragging at you for it because you seem to think
> it's all fine and dandy.

## You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. They live 4
years, sometimes longer in these bowls and jars, are well fed and can see
each other, us and look out the window. Now if you're so concerned you can
donate 9 or 10 heated filtered 2 gallon tanks and I will try and find space
for them somewhere in my sunroom.

It simply is not right.

## Nor is it right for you to force your views on someone else who has
successfully kept and bred bettas themselves.

> You wouldn't house a Koi, fully grown in a 20g tank would you?

## Now you're going to compare them with koi? I don't think so.....

> Same difference. Yet you think it's perfectly fine to do it to Bettas.

## What am I doing to them? Next you'll claim you personally visit every
household your thousands of young fish go to to make sure all get heated,
filtered tanks. That must take at least 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365
days a year......... when do you have time for anything else? Do you
purchase heated, filtered 2 gallon tanks for your culls and those unsold or
do you euthanize them? You must be very rich and live in a huge house.

> Why on earth would you take proper care of only some of your animals?

## But that's YOUR OPINION. It's cruel to breed them, sell them and not
know where they're going to end up. Or do you personally visit every
household your thousands of young fish go to to make sure all get heated,
filtered tanks or special heated rooms to themselves.

> Once again, Ivy bowls are MUCH too small

## Once again. I don't have ivy bowls. :-) If you'd care to send me 9 or
10 tanks complete with filters and heaters I will try and find space in the
sunroom. Too bad I'm not rich like you, huh? These are the prices,
rounded off that I found in catalogs and at PetSmart.

2 gallon tank = $10.00
25w submersible or short heater = $17.00
Thermometer = $3.00
Small Azoo filter w/extra pads = 7.00

Times 10 bettas = $370.00
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

JoinerKing

November 23rd 05, 11:07 PM

Koi-lo wrote:
>
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>> Thanks Zod.
>> I was warned about this person.
>
>
> $$ Warned that I keep bettas in less than 2 gallon heated and filtered
> tanks? That's never been a secret. LOL!!!
>

Warned that you are a pathological liar

> This was why I created this post and
>
>> saying sorry to the other regs here who may see a million of my posts
>> correcting her bad and bogus "info" when it comes to these fish.
>
>
> $$ The information is not BOGUS as millions of bettas are kept in less
> than 2 gallon heated and filtered tanks.
>

Now ask her for the evidence, and she will go gaga on you.

> I fear
>
>> a newbie may take their "advice" and house a beautiful Betta in a tiny
>> glass bowl they think is fine to do.
>
>
> $$ A tiny glass bowl?
>
>> Sheesh! Simply because a fish will survive horrible conditions doens't
>> make it fine, or that they thrive.

>
>
> $$ Sheesh! Millions of them thrive in other than 2 gallon heated and
> filtered tanks.

Now ask her for the evidence, and she will go gaga on you.

>
>> The simple fact that they say ALL their Bettas live to 4 yrs of age is
>> hillarious.
>
>
> $$ Hahahahaha!!!! It is hilarious! :-D Mine do! I seldom lose one
> unless I leave then in someone else's care. You need to breed a hardier
> strain of bettas. Maybe you're inbreeding them too closely.

Now ask her for the evidence, and she will go gaga on you.

>
>> Being a breeder and hobbyist, I keep all my "pet" Bettas in the best
>> possible conditions that they can ever have and sure, many live 4, 5,
>> and a few well over 6 yrs of age. However, the average is 2-3 yrs.
>
>
> $$ The average they live at my house is 4 years, some to almost 4 1/2.
> What next - yours live 8 to 10 years?
>
> It's
>
>> rediculous to claim that ALL of their Bettas lived for 4 yrs.
>
>
> $$ It's ridiculous to claim you know how long someone else's fish live.

Remeber Carol fish are special. They are made out of plastic and you
wind them up. The never die.

JoinerKing

November 23rd 05, 11:26 PM

Koi-lo wrote:
>
>> I HAVE seen the pictures and it's PROOF that you are housing them in
>> tiny Ivy bowls.
>
>
> ## What tiny ivy bowls? These bowls hold slightly less than 1/2
> gallon of water and are changed weekly. Ammonia and nitrites are zero.
>
>> That is UNSUITABLE for housing Bettas!

If that was the case how in hell she write millions of usenet posts
about nothing all day long?

>
>
> ## That's YOUR OPINION. It's cruel to breed them, sell them and not
> know where they're going to end up.

LOL. She forgot the concept of buissnes here.

>
>
> ## You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

He not giving out an opinion. He is giving out facts, something in your
life span you could never do.

>
> ## Nor is it right for you to force your views on someone else who has
> successfully kept and bred bettas themselves.

I wonder who that "someone" is.... his facts are facts your opinions are
bogus and lies.

>
>> You wouldn't house a Koi, fully grown in a 20g tank would you?
>
>
Carolyn Adamo Gulley
Maiden name Witkowski born 1944
Current "husband":
Randy R. born 1946
3245 North Lamar Road Mount Juliet TN 37122-7806
Phone 615-459-9345

has been caught in various vicious lies!
Before plaguing ARJW with her nonsense, she use to plague the Health NG
do a google search on Yarrow / windsong / Carol for more details.

http://tinyurl.com/daw64
http://tinyurl.com/af4r9
http://tinyurl.com/7v5ly
When she is best by a man she accuse him of stalking

http://tinyurl.com/8wryt

She engages people in senseless debates about absolutely nothing.
Her intent on ARJW is to slander JW's

Before you reply, you may want to ask her a few things or only one.
_Where does she get her information?
_Can her information be verified?
_Is the information up to date?
_What is the purpose of her post? To present reliable facts about JW's
or sling mud on a religious organization in good standing in almost
every country in the world?

Ask her for evidence of her claims before proceeding with your
conversation with her, if not you may be end up wasting your time and
bandwidth on discussing subjects based on fraudulent and fabricated
information. This is how she manipulates clueless bystanders in
participating with her distributing false information elsewhere?

Facts about Carol:

*She can never present evidence.
*She never reveals the source of her info (because there is none). Her
common reply, is: "everybody already knows". If everybody knew, why
bring it up?
*She always hides her identity. And change her header to avoid
killfiles. A TOS offense
*She cuts and paste, rewrite postings, and will even forge e-mail
addresses
;which her ISP allows her to do. Just ask them:

If your newsgroups has been victim of Carol's MCP and ECP that is off
topic you can report her. Her account is dpc6682112001.direcpc.com and
you may report her by calling 1-800-DirecPC, by emailing us at
, or by writing to:

DirecPC
Customer Care Center
11717 Exploration Lane
Germantown, MD 20876 USA

Her use of remailers can still be traced to her account.No American ISP
like to be
associated with Hate Speech no matter if Hate speech is protected
under the First. It affects their commercial interest.
Then you can contact your own ISP and have them add them to their
block List Direcpc.com

Why does Carol behave as she does?

Carolyn Adamo Gulley of Davidson County Tn. Is a life long
underachiever. She did not finish High school in NYC, and lived as a
biker gangsters in the 60's and 70's. She claims on her website that she
has 2 failed
marriages and blames God for her poor choices. It is alleged that she
lost custody of her only son due to substance abuse, (never been
proven however). Dumped in TN by her Second husband, Quote-quote, with
no place to go.

She also has failed attempts at being a JW. She could never attain their
moral standards as dictated in the scriptures, and thus been at
war with them ever since. This has made her a very mentally unstable
woman, her hatred is intense, and due to biker-substance abuse
lifestyle, she now needs aid of a pacemaker.

By reporting her to her ISP, she is made aware, that she is alone in
her insane crusade full of false hoods and forgeries., and that you
the reader does not support hate speech against any religion or person.

Tynk

November 24th 05, 04:26 AM

JoinerKing wrote:
> Tynk wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Zod.
> > I was warned about this person. This was why I created this post and
> > saying sorry to the other regs here who may see a million of my posts
> > correcting her bad and bogus "info" when it comes to these fish. I fear
> > a newbie may take their "advice" and house a beautiful Betta in a tiny
> > glass bowl they think is fine to do.
>
>
> That will happen. But not on rec.ponds, the moment read the header with
> all of Carol's Trash, they highend outta there. And since no one is
> paying her any mind in rec.ponds, she will now do the same to RAFM.
>
> > Sheesh! Simply because a fish will survive horrible conditions doens't
> > make it fine, or that they thrive.
> > The simple fact that they say ALL their Bettas live to 4 yrs of age is
> > hillarious.
>
>
> Remember, this is a mentally ill woman who have to out do everyone else.
> And she will lie to do so.
>
> >
> Remember, this is a mentally ill woman who have to out do everyone else.
> And she will lie to do so.
Sounds like it, for sure! ; )
At least if any newbies do read some of her "info", they'll see enough
actual facts that they can figure it out.
I find kind of sad that this person feels the need to behave this way.

Tynk

November 24th 05, 04:35 AM

Koi-lo wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Koi-lo wrote:
> >> Ditto! You've been baiting and ragging on me over this betta issue for
> >> days
> >> now. Even seeing the pictures you think you're being baited, that I put
> >> them up just to bait you,.... a total stranger. I don't know what your
> >> motive is but I have a good idea. Again, try and have a happy holiday.
> >> --
> >> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> >> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> >> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
> >> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
> > You've been baiting and ragging on me over this betta issue for days
> >> now. Even seeing the pictures you think you're being baited
> ===================
> > I HAVE seen the pictures and it's PROOF that you are housing them in
> > tiny Ivy bowls.
>
> ## What tiny ivy bowls? These bowls hold slightly less than 1/2 gallon of
> water and are changed weekly. Ammonia and nitrites are zero.
>
> > That is UNSUITABLE for housing Bettas!
>
> ## In your opinion. Millions of bettas are housed in smaller containers
> than these.
>
> > In your pictures that boast about, it clearly shows things around them
> > for size comparison.
>
> ## So? These hold slightly less than 1/2 gallon of water. Ammonia and
> nitrites are zero.
>
> > They are much too tiny to house Bettas in. It's cruel.
>
> ## That's YOUR OPINION. It's cruel to breed them, sell them and not know
> where they're going to end up. Next you'll claim you personally visit every
> household your thousands of young fish go to to make sure all get heated,
> filtered tanks. That must take at least 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365
> days a year......... when do you have time for anything else?
>
> > And damned right I'm ragging at you for it because you seem to think
> > it's all fine and dandy.
>
> ## You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. They live 4
> years, sometimes longer in these bowls and jars, are well fed and can see
> each other, us and look out the window. Now if you're so concerned you can
> donate 9 or 10 heated filtered 2 gallon tanks and I will try and find space
> for them somewhere in my sunroom.
>
> It simply is not right.
>
> ## Nor is it right for you to force your views on someone else who has
> successfully kept and bred bettas themselves.
>
> > You wouldn't house a Koi, fully grown in a 20g tank would you?
>
> ## Now you're going to compare them with koi? I don't think so.....
>
> > Same difference. Yet you think it's perfectly fine to do it to Bettas.
>
> ## What am I doing to them? Next you'll claim you personally visit every
> household your thousands of young fish go to to make sure all get heated,
> filtered tanks. That must take at least 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365
> days a year......... when do you have time for anything else? Do you
> purchase heated, filtered 2 gallon tanks for your culls and those unsold or
> do you euthanize them? You must be very rich and live in a huge house.
>
> > Why on earth would you take proper care of only some of your animals?
>
> ## But that's YOUR OPINION. It's cruel to breed them, sell them and not
> know where they're going to end up. Or do you personally visit every
> household your thousands of young fish go to to make sure all get heated,
> filtered tanks or special heated rooms to themselves.
>
> > Once again, Ivy bowls are MUCH too small
>
> ## Once again. I don't have ivy bowls. :-) If you'd care to send me 9 or
> 10 tanks complete with filters and heaters I will try and find space in the
> sunroom. Too bad I'm not rich like you, huh? These are the prices,
> rounded off that I found in catalogs and at PetSmart.
>
> 2 gallon tank = $10.00
> 25w submersible or short heater = $17.00
> Thermometer = $3.00
> Small Azoo filter w/extra pads = 7.00
>
> Times 10 bettas = $370.00
> --
> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>
> > Once again, Ivy bowls are MUCH too small
>
> ## Once again. I don't have ivy bowls. :-)

= O Bah Ha Ha Ha!!!
Oh that's a good one. You have 2 pictures showing IVY bowls lined up
with Bettas in them on your window sil.
You are so funny.
Oh, in case you are not aware of it "Carol", those tiny bowls that you
are housing Bettas in are called *Ivy bowls*. Stop saying that's not
what they are, as any one can see them in the pictures you have on your
web page.
Thanks for the laughs. = )~

Koi-lo

November 24th 05, 04:38 AM

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I find kind of sad that this person feels the need to behave this way.
================
I find in kind of sad that YOU feel the need to behave this way, ragging on
people day after day because they don't agree with you. Very sad in
fact........
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Tynk

November 24th 05, 04:41 AM

Boo Hoo

Sunny

November 24th 05, 05:29 AM

"Koi-lo" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> $$ The average they live at my house is 4 years, some to almost 4 1/2.
> What next - yours live 8 to 10 years?

Scientific Name: Betta Splendens
Other Names: Betta Family: Belontiidae
Origin: Cambodia, Thailand
Adult Size: 3 inches (7 cm)
Social: Males cannot be kept together
Lifespan: 2-3 years ******************
Tank Level: Top dweller
Minimum Tank Size: 3 gallon
Diet: Live foods preferable, will eat flakes and frozen foods
Breeding: Egglayer - bubblenest
Care: Easy to Intermediate
pH: 6.8 - 7.4
Hardenss: up to 20 dGH
Temperature: 75-86 F (24-30 C)

Koi-lo

November 24th 05, 05:39 AM

"Tynk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Koi-lo wrote:
>>
>> ## Once again. I don't have ivy bowls. :-)
=================
> = O Bah Ha Ha Ha!!!

## Oh hehehehe and hahahaha!!!! Ivy bowls have the wavy top and hold 8 oz
of water... ahahahaha & hehehehe :-D

> Oh that's a good one. You have 2 pictures showing IVY bowls lined up
> with Bettas in them on your window sil.

## Uh, they're not ivy bowls. Ivy bowls have the wavy top and hold 8 oz of
water.

> You are so funny.

## You are funnier! :-D

> Oh, in case you are not aware of it "Carol", those tiny bowls that you
> are housing Bettas in are called *Ivy bowls*.

## Where I live we call the 8oz glass bowls with the wavy tops *ivy bowls*
or potporri bowls. I have some of them for sure - with potpourri in them,
not fish. :-))

Stop saying that's not
> what they are, as any one can see them in the pictures you have on your
> web page.
> Thanks for the laughs. = )~

## Yep, you're a real barrel of laughs! It must be nice to be rich, eh?
;-)

2 gallon tank = $10.00
25w submersible or short heater = $17.00
Thermometer = $3.00
Small Azoo filter w/extra pads = 7.00
Hood = $10.00

Times 10 bettas = $470.00
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Tynk

November 24th 05, 05:50 AM

Have you even looked at the pictures you have?
They're Ivy bowls.
It doesn't take a rich person to properly house the animals in their
care.
Say what you will....everybody knows you're a troll anyway.
I've had countless emails directly to me regarding YOU and the trouble
you cause elsewhere.
So sad you are.

Koi-lo

November 24th 05, 06:22 AM

"Sunny" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Koi-lo" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip>
>> $$ The average they live at my house is 4 years, some to almost 4 1/2.
>> What next - yours live 8 to 10 years?
>
> Scientific Name: Betta Splendens
> Other Names: Betta Family: Belontiidae
> Origin: Cambodia, Thailand
> Adult Size: 3 inches (7 cm)
> Social: Males cannot be kept together
> Lifespan: 2-3 years ******************

## They can and do live 4 years. The longest lived betta I've had was a
blue betta from PetsMart that lived 4 years and several months from the date
I bought him.

> Tank Level: Top dweller
> Minimum Tank Size: 3 gallon
> Diet: Live foods preferable, will eat flakes and frozen foods

## I feed mine mostly dry foods but a nice variety.

> Breeding: Egglayer - bubblenest
> Care: Easy to Intermediate
> pH: 6.8 - 7.4

## Our water has a PH of 7.8 to 8.0 indoors. :-( The ponds are even
higher.

> Hardenss: up to 20 dGH

## And it's very hard water due to the limestone rock in our state.

> Temperature: 75-86 F (24-30 C)

## Ours are at 72 F and up depending on the season. Perhaps the lower
temperature causes the longer lifespan.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Koi-lo

November 24th 05, 07:22 AM

"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I've had countless emails directly to me regarding YOU and the trouble
> you cause elsewhere.
> So sad you are.
=================
And I can say the same about you TROLLING me for days now simply because I
disagree with you. Since when are people who disagree with someone on a NG
a troll? You're also cross-posting your endless whining, wheedling,
insulting messages just like the guy with 200 names, including the use of my
name (impersonating me) - who killed rec.ponds. Do you plan to kill off
these NGs with your endless nasty messages?

If you are too net-illiterate to read headers you should LEARN how before
calling someone else a troll. BTW, you also need to look up the word TROLL.
You don't know the meaning of the word or you wouldn't be TROLLING me
now........ so give it up already. I'm not interested in your constant
trolling of me.
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>

Beano

November 24th 05, 11:46 AM

*peeks out from under the bed* Is the fighting over yet? I thought
feeding trolls just made them worse. Stop feeding!

~Roy

November 24th 05, 02:19 PM

You should know by know Caro is a hbitual liar and its her way or no
way as everyone else is wrong.....Betta thrive just fine in a small
bowl or large aquarium just fine, and only require minimal care. I
guess going on what the so called Guru of fish Carol states, all my
bettas in those 1 quart mason jars are doomed.......that is unless I
biuy Ivy contianers then they will be just fine.

On 23 Nov 2005 20:35:39 -0800, "Tynk" > wrote:

>===<>
>===<>Koi-lo wrote:
>===<>> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>===<>> oups.com...
>===<>> >
>===<>> > Koi-lo wrote:
>===<>> >> Ditto! You've been baiting and ragging on me over this betta issue for
>===<>> >> days
>===<>> >> now. Even seeing the pictures you think you're being baited, that I put
>===<>> >> them up just to bait you,.... a total stranger. I don't know what your
>===<>> >> motive is but I have a good idea. Again, try and have a happy holiday.
>===<>> >> --
>===<>> >> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>===<>> >> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>===<>> >> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
>===<>> >> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>===<>>
>===<>> > You've been baiting and ragging on me over this betta issue for days
>===<>> >> now. Even seeing the pictures you think you're being baited
>===<>> ===================
>===<>> > I HAVE seen the pictures and it's PROOF that you are housing them in
>===<>> > tiny Ivy bowls.
>===<>>
>===<>> ## What tiny ivy bowls? These bowls hold slightly less than 1/2 gallon of
>===<>> water and are changed weekly. Ammonia and nitrites are zero.
>===<>>
>===<>> > That is UNSUITABLE for housing Bettas!
>===<>>
>===<>> ## In your opinion. Millions of bettas are housed in smaller containers
>===<>> than these.
>===<>>
>===<>> > In your pictures that boast about, it clearly shows things around them
>===<>> > for size comparison.
>===<>>
>===<>> ## So? These hold slightly less than 1/2 gallon of water. Ammonia and
>===<>> nitrites are zero.
>===<>>
>===<>> > They are much too tiny to house Bettas in. It's cruel.
>===<>>
>===<>> ## That's YOUR OPINION. It's cruel to breed them, sell them and not know
>===<>> where they're going to end up. Next you'll claim you personally visit every
>===<>> household your thousands of young fish go to to make sure all get heated,
>===<>> filtered tanks. That must take at least 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365
>===<>> days a year......... when do you have time for anything else?
>===<>>
>===<>> > And damned right I'm ragging at you for it because you seem to think
>===<>> > it's all fine and dandy.
>===<>>
>===<>> ## You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. They live 4
>===<>> years, sometimes longer in these bowls and jars, are well fed and can see
>===<>> each other, us and look out the window. Now if you're so concerned you can
>===<>> donate 9 or 10 heated filtered 2 gallon tanks and I will try and find space
>===<>> for them somewhere in my sunroom.
>===<>>
>===<>> It simply is not right.
>===<>>
>===<>> ## Nor is it right for you to force your views on someone else who has
>===<>> successfully kept and bred bettas themselves.
>===<>>
>===<>> > You wouldn't house a Koi, fully grown in a 20g tank would you?
>===<>>
>===<>> ## Now you're going to compare them with koi? I don't think so.....
>===<>>
>===<>> > Same difference. Yet you think it's perfectly fine to do it to Bettas.
>===<>>
>===<>> ## What am I doing to them? Next you'll claim you personally visit every
>===<>> household your thousands of young fish go to to make sure all get heated,
>===<>> filtered tanks. That must take at least 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365
>===<>> days a year......... when do you have time for anything else? Do you
>===<>> purchase heated, filtered 2 gallon tanks for your culls and those unsold or
>===<>> do you euthanize them? You must be very rich and live in a huge house.
>===<>>
>===<>> > Why on earth would you take proper care of only some of your animals?
>===<>>
>===<>> ## But that's YOUR OPINION. It's cruel to breed them, sell them and not
>===<>> know where they're going to end up. Or do you personally visit every
>===<>> household your thousands of young fish go to to make sure all get heated,
>===<>> filtered tanks or special heated rooms to themselves.
>===<>>
>===<>> > Once again, Ivy bowls are MUCH too small
>===<>>
>===<>> ## Once again. I don't have ivy bowls. :-) If you'd care to send me 9 or
>===<>> 10 tanks complete with filters and heaters I will try and find space in the
>===<>> sunroom. Too bad I'm not rich like you, huh? These are the prices,
>===<>> rounded off that I found in catalogs and at PetSmart.
>===<>>
>===<>> 2 gallon tank = $10.00
>===<>> 25w submersible or short heater = $17.00
>===<>> Thermometer = $3.00
>===<>> Small Azoo filter w/extra pads = 7.00
>===<>>
>===<>> Times 10 bettas = $370.00
>===<>> --
>===<>> Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
>===<>> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
>===<>> http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
>===<>> ~~~ }<((((o> ~~~ }<{{{{o> ~~~ }<(((((o>
>===<>>
>===<>> > Once again, Ivy bowls are MUCH too small
>===<>>
>===<>> ## Once again. I don't have ivy bowls. :-)
>===<>
>===<> = O Bah Ha Ha Ha!!!
>===<>Oh that's a good one. You have 2 pictures showing IVY bowls lined up
>===<>with Bettas in them on your window sil.
>===<>You are so funny.
>===<>Oh, in case you are not aware of it "Carol", those tiny bowls that you
>===<>are housing Bettas in are called *Ivy bowls*. Stop saying that's not
>===<>what they are, as any one can see them in the pictures you have on your
>===<>web page.
>===<>Thanks for the laughs. = )~

================================================== =

This is worth repeating for benefit of all newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

~Roy

November 24th 05, 02:57 PM

Hey carol, you need to stand up and pull up those panties and quit
showing your dam ass........your about as stupid as the day is long so
take a hike and go visit Derek or Tom and get the hell out of dodge.

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:38:08 -0600, "Koi-lo" >
wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>===<>> I find kind of sad that this person feels the need to behave this way.
>===<>================
>===<>I find in kind of sad that YOU feel the need to behave this way, ragging on
>===<>people day after day because they don't agree with you. Very sad in
>===<>fact........

================================================== =

This is worth repeating for benefit of all newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

~Roy

November 24th 05, 02:58 PM

As much as Carol and her sock puppets claim that there are others that
are doing the trolling here and in other groups, its CArol and her
sock puppets that are the real trolls..

No one is fighting, their just exposing CArol and her sock puppets for
what they really are........
On 24 Nov 2005 03:46:54 -0800, "Beano" >
wrote:

>===<>*peeks out from under the bed* Is the fighting over yet? I thought
>===<>feeding trolls just made them worse. Stop feeding!

================================================== =

This is worth repeating for benefit of all newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

~Roy

November 24th 05, 03:02 PM

Hmmmmmm its mor elike your dissagreeing with "ANYONE" is cause to cal
the other party a troublemaker or troll....Grow the hell up CArol, and
pay attention........No one is paying you attention anymore, they just
see the crap you post and pick it apart as its basically worthless
crap.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:22:54 -0600, "Koi-lo" >
wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"Tynk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>===<>> I've had countless emails directly to me regarding YOU and the trouble
>===<>> you cause elsewhere.
>===<>> So sad you are.
>===<>=================
>===<>And I can say the same about you TROLLING me for days now simply because I
>===<>disagree with you. Since when are people who disagree with someone on a NG
>===<>a troll? You're also cross-posting your endless whining, wheedling,
>===<>insulting messages just like the guy with 200 names, including the use of my
>===<>name (impersonating me) - who killed rec.ponds. Do you plan to kill off
>===<>these NGs with your endless nasty messages?
>===<>
>===<>If you are too net-illiterate to read headers you should LEARN how before
>===<>calling someone else a troll. BTW, you also need to look up the word TROLL.
>===<>You don't know the meaning of the word or you wouldn't be TROLLING me
>===<>now........ so give it up already. I'm not interested in your constant
>===<>trolling of me.

================================================== =

This is worth repeating for benefit of all newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

~Roy

November 24th 05, 03:04 PM

Who really gives a flip on your bettas and where you bought
them........certainly no one in this or any other usenet group does,

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:22:14 -0600, "Koi-lo" >
wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"Sunny" > wrote in message
...
>===<>>
>===<>> "Koi-lo" > wrote in message
>===<>> ...
>===<>> <snip>
>===<>>> $$ The average they live at my house is 4 years, some to almost 4 1/2.
>===<>>> What next - yours live 8 to 10 years?
>===<>>
>===<>> Scientific Name: Betta Splendens
>===<>> Other Names: Betta Family: Belontiidae
>===<>> Origin: Cambodia, Thailand
>===<>> Adult Size: 3 inches (7 cm)
>===<>> Social: Males cannot be kept together
>===<>> Lifespan: 2-3 years ******************
>===<>
>===<>## They can and do live 4 years. The longest lived betta I've had was a
>===<>blue betta from PetsMart that lived 4 years and several months from the date
>===<>I bought him.
>===<>
>===<>> Tank Level: Top dweller
>===<>> Minimum Tank Size: 3 gallon
>===<>> Diet: Live foods preferable, will eat flakes and frozen foods
>===<>
>===<>## I feed mine mostly dry foods but a nice variety.
>===<>
>===<>> Breeding: Egglayer - bubblenest
>===<>> Care: Easy to Intermediate
>===<>> pH: 6.8 - 7.4
>===<>
>===<>## Our water has a PH of 7.8 to 8.0 indoors. :-( The ponds are even
>===<>higher.
>===<>
>===<>> Hardenss: up to 20 dGH
>===<>
>===<>## And it's very hard water due to the limestone rock in our state.
>===<>
>===<>> Temperature: 75-86 F (24-30 C)
>===<>
>===<>## Ours are at 72 F and up depending on the season. Perhaps the lower
>===<>temperature causes the longer lifespan.

================================================== =

This is worth repeating for benefit of all newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

~Roy

November 24th 05, 05:31 PM

Just could not resist on jumping off the porch and joining the
foray, could you asshole? Ok, since we now have heard from the peanut
gallery anyone else have any more intelligent things to say?

On 24 Nov 2005 17:22:07 -0000, RB > wrote:

>===<>
>===<>In article >
(~Roy) picked his nose,scratched his fat
>===<>arse,blew snot on his keyboard and wrote: Who really gives a
>===<>flip on your bettas and where you bought
>===<>them........certainly no one in this or any other usenet group
>===<>does,
>===<>
>===<>On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:22:14 -0600, "Koi-lo"
>
>===<>wrote:
>===<>
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>"Sunny" > wrote in message
...
>===<>>===<>> /slash
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>Who cares about your boring flamewar against this woman? Geta
>===<>life loser.
>===<>You're blaming Carol when all the troll posts are coming from
>===<>you at earthlink.net
>===<>NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.121.237.180
>===<>X-Complaints-To:
>===<>
>===<>The other troll posts are from the nymshifting Mr Santana using
>===<>Verison.net
>===<>NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.248.192.11
>===<>X-Complaints-To:
>===<>
>===<>Your victim is using Direcway as an ISP.Looks like you're the
>===<>pathological liar but some of us knew that all along.You don't
>===<>like what someone posts learn to use a killfile.
>===<>
>===<>- - -
>===<>

================================================== =

This is worth repeating for benefit of all newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

~Roy

November 24th 05, 05:37 PM

Sorry RB, but I do not have your nose picking ass scratching, snot
blowing habits. Guess your momma did not dop all that great of a job
of being a mother, did she? Or are those things typical traits of
those than live downunder...........
ya ...A$$hole...........

On 24 Nov 2005 17:22:07 -0000, RB > wrote:

>===<>
>===<>In article >
(~Roy) picked his nose,scratched his fat
>===<>arse,blew snot on his keyboard and wrote: Who really gives a
>===<>flip on your bettas and where you bought
>===<>them........certainly no one in this or any other usenet group
>===<>does,
>===<>
>===<>On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:22:14 -0600, "Koi-lo"
>
>===<>wrote:
>===<>
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>"Sunny" > wrote in message
...
>===<>>===<>> /slash
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>Who cares about your boring flamewar against this woman? Geta
>===<>life loser.
>===<>You're blaming Carol when all the troll posts are coming from
>===<>you at earthlink.net
>===<>NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.121.237.180
>===<>X-Complaints-To:
>===<>
>===<>The other troll posts are from the nymshifting Mr Santana using
>===<>Verison.net
>===<>NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.248.192.11
>===<>X-Complaints-To:
>===<>
>===<>Your victim is using Direcway as an ISP.Looks like you're the
>===<>pathological liar but some of us knew that all along.You don't
>===<>like what someone posts learn to use a killfile.
>===<>
>===<>- - -
>===<>

================================================== =

This is worth repeating for benefit of all newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

Zhavriol

November 24th 05, 09:31 PM

Tynk wrote:>
> = O Bah Ha Ha Ha!!!
> Oh that's a good one. You have 2 pictures showing IVY bowls lined up
> with Bettas in them on your window sil.
> You are so funny.
> Oh, in case you are not aware of it "Carol", those tiny bowls that you
> are housing Bettas in are called *Ivy bowls*. Stop saying that's not
> what they are, as any one can see them in the pictures you have on your
> web page.
> Thanks for the laughs. = )~

So much for Her "expertise"

Zhavriol

November 24th 05, 09:35 PM

Tynk wrote:
> Have you even looked at the pictures you have?
> They're Ivy bowls.
> It doesn't take a rich person to properly house the animals in their
> care.
> Say what you will....everybody knows you're a troll anyway.
> I've had countless emails directly to me regarding YOU and the trouble
> you cause elsewhere.
> So sad you are.

You can always get a close up look at Carol's Ivy bowls directly

Carolyn Adamo Gulley
3245 North Lamar Road Mount Juliet TN 37122-7806
Phone 615-459-9345

Zhavriol

November 24th 05, 09:37 PM

FActs that prove Carol the liars she is.

BBBWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH HA HA HA HA HA HA lol

Sunny wrote:
> "Koi-lo" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip>
> > $$ The average they live at my house is 4 years, some to almost 4 1/2.
> > What next - yours live 8 to 10 years?
>
> Scientific Name: Betta Splendens
> Other Names: Betta Family: Belontiidae
> Origin: Cambodia, Thailand
> Adult Size: 3 inches (7 cm)
> Social: Males cannot be kept together
> Lifespan: 2-3 years ******************
> Tank Level: Top dweller
> Minimum Tank Size: 3 gallon
> Diet: Live foods preferable, will eat flakes and frozen foods
> Breeding: Egglayer - bubblenest
> Care: Easy to Intermediate
> pH: 6.8 - 7.4
> Hardenss: up to 20 dGH
> Temperature: 75-86 F (24-30 C)

Zhavriol

November 24th 05, 09:39 PM

Koi-lo wrote:
> "Sunny" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Koi-lo" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > <snip>
> >> $$ The average they live at my house is 4 years, some to almost 4 1/2.
> >> What next - yours live 8 to 10 years?
> >
> > Scientific Name: Betta Splendens
> > Other Names: Betta Family: Belontiidae
> > Origin: Cambodia, Thailand
> > Adult Size: 3 inches (7 cm)
> > Social: Males cannot be kept together
> > Lifespan: 2-3 years ******************
>
> ## They can and do live 4 years. The longest lived betta I've had was a
> blue betta from PetsMart that lived 4 years and several months from the date
> I bought him.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Only in Carols world. I guess Petmart gave
her birth certificates or Carols keeps a diary on each and every one!!!

Zhavriol

November 24th 05, 09:42 PM

Koi-lo wrote:
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > I find kind of sad that this person feels the need to behave this way.
> ================
> I find in kind of sad that YOU feel the need to behave this way, ragging on
> people day after day because they don't agree with you. Very sad in
> fact........

Notice that she does this With Jehovahs witnesses in their group, she
doesn't agree with them so she lies about them and Harrass them, dont'
you find that vey sad???

What a hypocrit this woman is.

RedCastle

November 24th 05, 10:17 PM

zir©on wrote:
> RB >, wrote an article that went like:
>
>
>
>>Right and Im exposing the fact that all the troll messagaes are
>>coming from 2 ISPs.Neither of which are carols as anyone can see
>>for them selves.
>>
>>You're blaming Carol when all the troll posts are coming from
>>you at earthlink.net
>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.121.237.180
>>X-Complaints-To:
>>
>>The other troll posts are from the nymshifting Mr Santana using
>>Verison.net
>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.248.192.11
>>X-Complaints-To:
>>
>>Your victim's ISP is Direcway.Looks like you're the pathological
>>liar but some of us knew that all along.You don't like what
>>someone posts learn to use a killfile.
>>
>
> ..well said RB, and completely accurate.
> Jest try and keep the PATH split. I know its a PITA to do with every
> X-Post but one post to <rec.ponds> and one post to the "string of
> X-posting" and the dude will soon give the game away.
> Well, that or his NSP/ISP will can his ass.
> However if "we" do the same thing as "he" does then there is no valid
> argument for them to can his ass, get it ? :-))
>
> cheers

IF NSP's like peter and robb allow her to harrass people, you thinks
anyone else would care.

Every decent NSP admin has canned Carol. Her buddies tell her not to
respond, but she does thru her remailers sock.

Your wasting your time with Carol.

zir©on

November 24th 05, 11:26 PM

Ohhhh, feeling big and bad are we, must have had some giblet gravy
with your turnkey today dude......and while your still feeling kind of
froggy just bite my backside.........then you can go STFU and
FOAD........he he he, guess your awfully testy for a jerk!

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:05:00 +0000, zir©on >
wrote:

(~Roy), wrote an article that went like:
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>>Hmmmmmm its mor elike your dissagreeing with "ANYONE" is cause to cal
>===<>>the other party a troublemaker or troll....Grow the hell up CArol, and
>===<>>pay attention........No one is paying you attention anymore, they just
>===<>>see the crap you post and pick it apart as its basically worthless
>===<>>crap.
>===<>>
>===<>..how about YOU STFU until the day you DO know what you are on about.
>===<>Until then you are just another illiterate nutter with a huge ego !
>===<>FOAD

--
\\\|///
( @ @ )
-----------oOOo(_)oOOo---------------

oooO
---------( )----Oooo----------------
\ ( ( )
\_) ) /
(_/
The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

zir©on

November 24th 05, 11:27 PM

Not according to some dweebs and sock puppets tht worship the ground
Carol craps on..........

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:17:40 GMT, RedCastle > wrote:

>===<>zir©on wrote:
>===<>> RB >, wrote an article that went like:
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>>>Right and Im exposing the fact that all the troll messagaes are
>===<>>>coming from 2 ISPs.Neither of which are carols as anyone can see
>===<>>>for them selves.
>===<>>>
>===<>>>You're blaming Carol when all the troll posts are coming from
>===<>>>you at earthlink.net
>===<>>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.121.237.180
>===<>>>X-Complaints-To:
>===<>>>
>===<>>>The other troll posts are from the nymshifting Mr Santana using
>===<>>>Verison.net
>===<>>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.248.192.11
>===<>>>X-Complaints-To:
>===<>>>
>===<>>>Your victim's ISP is Direcway.Looks like you're the pathological
>===<>>>liar but some of us knew that all along.You don't like what
>===<>>>someone posts learn to use a killfile.
>===<>>>
>===<>>
>===<>> ..well said RB, and completely accurate.
>===<>> Jest try and keep the PATH split. I know its a PITA to do with every
>===<>> X-Post but one post to <rec.ponds> and one post to the "string of
>===<>> X-posting" and the dude will soon give the game away.
>===<>> Well, that or his NSP/ISP will can his ass.
>===<>> However if "we" do the same thing as "he" does then there is no valid
>===<>> argument for them to can his ass, get it ? :-))
>===<>>
>===<>> cheers
>===<>
>===<>IF NSP's like peter and robb allow her to harrass people, you thinks
>===<>anyone else would care.
>===<>
>===<>Every decent NSP admin has canned Carol. Her buddies tell her not to
>===<>respond, but she does thru her remailers sock.
>===<>
>===<>Your wasting your time with Carol.

--
\\\|///
( @ @ )
-----------oOOo(_)oOOo---------------

oooO
---------( )----Oooo----------------
\ ( ( )
\_) ) /
(_/
The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

zir©on

November 24th 05, 11:28 PM

I'll drink to that!

On 24 Nov 2005 13:42:16 -0800, "Zhavriol" > wrote:

>===<>
>===<>Koi-lo wrote:
>===<>> "Tynk" > wrote in message
>===<>> oups.com...
>===<>> > I find kind of sad that this person feels the need to behave this way.
>===<>> ================
>===<>> I find in kind of sad that YOU feel the need to behave this way, ragging on
>===<>> people day after day because they don't agree with you. Very sad in
>===<>> fact........
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>Notice that she does this With Jehovahs witnesses in their group, she
>===<>doesn't agree with them so she lies about them and Harrass them, dont'
>===<>you find that vey sad???
>===<>
>===<>What a hypocrit this woman is.

--
\\\|///
( @ @ )
-----------oOOo(_)oOOo---------------

oooO
---------( )----Oooo----------------
\ ( ( )
\_) ) /
(_/
The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

zir©on

November 24th 05, 11:29 PM

Heck its the only number she knows, it matches the amount of husbands
she has had........

On 24 Nov 2005 13:39:22 -0800, "Zhavriol" > wrote:

>===<>
>===<>Koi-lo wrote:
>===<>> "Sunny" > wrote in message
>===<>> ...
>===<>> >
>===<>> > "Koi-lo" > wrote in message
>===<>> > ...
>===<>> > <snip>
>===<>> >> $$ The average they live at my house is 4 years, some to almost 4 1/2.
>===<>> >> What next - yours live 8 to 10 years?
>===<>> >
>===<>> > Scientific Name: Betta Splendens
>===<>> > Other Names: Betta Family: Belontiidae
>===<>> > Origin: Cambodia, Thailand
>===<>> > Adult Size: 3 inches (7 cm)
>===<>> > Social: Males cannot be kept together
>===<>> > Lifespan: 2-3 years ******************
>===<>>
>===<>> ## They can and do live 4 years. The longest lived betta I've had was a
>===<>> blue betta from PetsMart that lived 4 years and several months from the date
>===<>> I bought him.
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Only in Carols world. I guess Petmart gave
>===<>her birth certificates or Carols keeps a diary on each and every one!!!

--
\\\|///
( @ @ )
-----------oOOo(_)oOOo---------------

oooO
---------( )----Oooo----------------
\ ( ( )
\_) ) /
(_/
The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

zir©on

November 24th 05, 11:31 PM

Her only expertise is at finidng loosers for husbands......of ocurse
they do not start that way, but after a short period of time, they
turn into a looser just from the fact that she sucked them into
getting married..........
On 24 Nov 2005 13:31:58 -0800, "Zhavriol" > wrote:

>===<>
>===<>Tynk wrote:>
>===<>> = O Bah Ha Ha Ha!!!
>===<>> Oh that's a good one. You have 2 pictures showing IVY bowls lined up
>===<>> with Bettas in them on your window sil.
>===<>> You are so funny.
>===<>> Oh, in case you are not aware of it "Carol", those tiny bowls that you
>===<>> are housing Bettas in are called *Ivy bowls*. Stop saying that's not
>===<>> what they are, as any one can see them in the pictures you have on your
>===<>> web page.
>===<>> Thanks for the laughs. = )~
>===<>
>===<>So much for Her "expertise"

--
\\\|///
( @ @ )
-----------oOOo(_)oOOo---------------

oooO
---------( )----Oooo----------------
\ ( ( )
\_) ) /
(_/
The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

zir©on

November 24th 05, 11:31 PM

Yea RB whats a matter with you, been hanging around carol and her
dirty habits too long?

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:37:02 GMT, (~Roy) wrote:

>===<>Sorry RB, but I do not have your nose picking ass scratching, snot
>===<>blowing habits. Guess your momma did not dop all that great of a job
>===<>of being a mother, did she? Or are those things typical traits of
>===<>those than live downunder...........
>===<>ya ...A$$hole...........
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>On 24 Nov 2005 17:22:07 -0000, RB > wrote:
>===<>
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>In article >
(~Roy) picked his nose,scratched his fat
>===<>>===<>arse,blew snot on his keyboard and wrote: Who really gives a
>===<>>===<>flip on your bettas and where you bought
>===<>>===<>them........certainly no one in this or any other usenet group
>===<>>===<>does,
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:22:14 -0600, "Koi-lo"
>
>===<>>===<>wrote:
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>>===<>"Sunny" > wrote in message
...
>===<>>===<>>===<>> /slash
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>Who cares about your boring flamewar against this woman? Geta
>===<>>===<>life loser.
>===<>>===<>You're blaming Carol when all the troll posts are coming from
>===<>>===<>you at earthlink.net
>===<>>===<>NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.121.237.180
>===<>>===<>X-Complaints-To:
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>The other troll posts are from the nymshifting Mr Santana using
>===<>>===<>Verison.net
>===<>>===<>NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.248.192.11
>===<>>===<>X-Complaints-To:
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>Your victim is using Direcway as an ISP.Looks like you're the
>===<>>===<>pathological liar but some of us knew that all along.You don't
>===<>>===<>like what someone posts learn to use a killfile.
>===<>>===<>
>===<>>===<>- - -
>===<>>===<>
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>================================================== =
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>This is worth repeating for benefit of all newbies!
>===<>Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
>===<>the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
>===<>helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
>===<>diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
>===<>Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

--
\\\|///
( @ @ )
-----------oOOo(_)oOOo---------------

oooO
---------( )----Oooo----------------
\ ( ( )
\_) ) /
(_/
The original frugal ponder! Koi-ahoi mates....

Steve

November 24th 05, 11:54 PM

Koi-lo wrote:
>
> "Tynk" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>> Thanks Zod.
>> I was warned about this person.
>
>
> $$ Warned that I keep bettas in less than 2 gallon heated and filtered
> tanks? That's never been a secret. LOL!!!
>
> This was why I created this post and
>

I looked at the addressing, and it's "Zod" who introduced other
newsgroups into this thread. Then Tynk and now Koi-lo merrily blast away
into non-fish newsgroups, and now we have a deluge of garbage.

Please ladies, I enjoyed some of the betta information. But would you
please stick to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc when discussing
miscellaneous fish? Thanks.

Steve

Tynk

November 25th 05, 05:48 PM

Steve wrote:
> Koi-lo wrote:
> >
> > "Tynk" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >
> >> Thanks Zod.
> >> I was warned about this person.
> >
> >
> > $$ Warned that I keep bettas in less than 2 gallon heated and filtered
> > tanks? That's never been a secret. LOL!!!
> >
> > This was why I created this post and
> >
>
> I looked at the addressing, and it's "Zod" who introduced other
> newsgroups into this thread. Then Tynk and now Koi-lo merrily blast away
> into non-fish newsgroups, and now we have a deluge of garbage.
>
> Please ladies, I enjoyed some of the betta information. But would you
> please stick to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc when discussing
> miscellaneous fish? Thanks.
>
> Steve
Then Tynk and now Koi-lo merrily blast away
> into non-fish newsgroups, and now we have a deluge of garbage.
>
> Please ladies, I enjoyed some of the betta information. But would you
> please stick to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc when discussing
> miscellaneous fish? Thanks.
>
Sorry again, Steve.
I stopped replying to her before Thanksgiving. I also explained that I
didn't realize they were being cross posted until the post about "Stop
cross posting" was made.
I have been educated on where to check to make sure that it doesn't
include any other groups, and I thank the folks who told me how.
I also won't respond to these people that have followed her hear. I did
that once, because I didn't realize what was happening at first.
I have never intentionally cross posted anything and once again, I had
no idea what I stepped into. I mean, I was warned about a certain
person being a troll, but didn't realize it was being cross posted.
Again....HUGE sorries.
::puts paper cone on head as I try to scrape the crap off my shoes:: =
/