Regarding Koi-Lo's "info" = )~

For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out. Newbies don't
know the difference.
It dives me nuts,but that is probably what they want.
I'm done trying to educate them on proper Betta care. They would rather
them survive than thrive, and I'm done arguing with them. However, I
will still correct the bogus info about Bettas that they put out there.
A HUGE sorry to the regs that have already killfile'd their posts and
see a million by me correcting the "info" this person is dishing out.
There's enough bogus and downright BAD info out there on these fish
that are very special to me....as much as Angelfish are, and I cannot
just ignore it.

I spend hours a week helping folks with their Bettas, both here and on
other groups because of the pet shops out there that don't know
squat...NetMax's shop not included ; ), so I guess I'll just be a
little more busy from now on.

On 21 Nov 2005 11:17:38 -0800, "Tynk" wrote:

For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out

This "person" has been kerplonked by many in the rec. ponds ng.

"Larry" wrote in message
...
On 21 Nov 2005 11:17:38 -0800, "Tynk" wrote:

For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out

This "person" has been kerplonked by many in the rec. ponds ng.
================================
You forgot to tell her why - that most can't read a header in rec.ponds so
don't know who is posting what there - and I've been *impersonated* there by
two people on that group.

So you either forgot to mention that for some reason,.... or you don't know
how to read headers either.

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Koi-lo wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message
...
On 21 Nov 2005 11:17:38 -0800, "Tynk" wrote:

For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out

This "person" has been kerplonked by many in the rec. ponds ng.
================================
You forgot to tell her why - that most can't read a header in rec.ponds so
don't know who is posting what there - and I've been *impersonated* there by
two people on that group.



Sure...Sure...

Why dont we ask rec.ponder that...


So you either forgot to mention that for some reason,.... or you don't know
how to read headers either.




The issue is you are a bogus expert.

Larry wrote:
On 21 Nov 2005 11:17:38 -0800, "Tynk" wrote:

For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out

This "person" has been kerplonked by many in the rec. ponds ng.

She is also a coward.

"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...
For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out. Newbies don't
know the difference.
======================
The information isn't BOGUS. This is an open forum where everyone is
allowed an opinion whether you agree with their opinion or not. Anyone who
looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live, and live full
life-spans. That they do this somehow annoys you to death. I'm sorry you
feel that way. Millions of bettas live in other than 2 or 3 gallon heated
filtered tanks. Not everyone has the money or space for 2 to 3 gallon
heated, filtered tanks per betta.
--
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Koi-lo wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...
For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out. Newbies don't
know the difference.
======================
The information isn't BOGUS. This is an open forum where everyone is
allowed an opinion whether you agree with their opinion or not. Anyone who
looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live, and live full
life-spans. That they do this somehow annoys you to death. I'm sorry you
feel that way. Millions of bettas live in other than 2 or 3 gallon heated
filtered tanks. Not everyone has the money or space for 2 to 3 gallon
heated, filtered tanks per betta.
--
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o
Anyone who
looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live
I did. It's a sad, sad situation for them.
Did you not know that you shouldn't ever keep any tank/bowl/vase or
whatever in direct sunlight? That's about as common knowledge as you
need to add water to a tank. LOL

Not everyone has the money or space for 2 to 3 gallon
heated, filtered tanks per betta
If somebody didn't have the money to properly care for a certain
animal, then said person should have gotten the animal. That's quite
obvious.
You tend to think by saying the same thing over and over that it's
going to make it better or true. It doesn't.

"Tynk" wrote in message
ups.com...

Koi-lo wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...
For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out. Newbies don't
know the difference.
======================
The information isn't BOGUS. This is an open forum where everyone is
allowed an opinion whether you agree with their opinion or not. Anyone
who
looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live, and live
full
life-spans. That they do this somehow annoys you to death. I'm sorry
you
feel that way. Millions of bettas live in other than 2 or 3 gallon
heated
filtered tanks. Not everyone has the money or space for 2 to 3 gallon
heated, filtered tanks per betta.
--
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Anyone who
looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live

I did. It's a sad, sad situation for them.

## In your opinion. They live as long as the betta in the 2 gallon display
tank that is filtered - about 4 years.

Did you not know that you shouldn't ever keep any tank/bowl/vase or
whatever in direct sunlight? That's about as common knowledge as you
need to add water to a tank. LOL

## LOL!!! :-D And they thrive and build bubble nests in these bowls all
their long lives.

Not everyone has the money or space for 2 to 3 gallon
heated, filtered tanks per betta

If somebody didn't have the money to properly care for a certain
animal, then said person should have gotten the animal. That's quite
obvious.

## And yet millions of bettas live out their lives in other than heated,
filtered 2 to 3 gallon tanks.

You tend to think by saying the same thing over and over that it's
going to make it better or true. It doesn't.

## Then why are you repeating yourself over and over and over? If only
people who could afford a filtered, heated tanks for their bettas bought
them - few bettas would be sold at all. Breeders would be eating
them.........
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Koi-lo wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
ups.com...

Koi-lo wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...
For those that have already sent this person to the killfile, it makes
me wonder about the bogus info this person is giving out. Newbies don't
know the difference.
======================
The information isn't BOGUS. This is an open forum where everyone is
allowed an opinion whether you agree with their opinion or not. Anyone
who
looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live, and live
full
life-spans. That they do this somehow annoys you to death. I'm sorry
you
feel that way. Millions of bettas live in other than 2 or 3 gallon
heated
filtered tanks. Not everyone has the money or space for 2 to 3 gallon
heated, filtered tanks per betta.
--
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Anyone who
looks at my website aquarium page can see how my bettas live

I did. It's a sad, sad situation for them.

## In your opinion. They live as long as the betta in the 2 gallon display
tank that is filtered - about 4 years.

Did you not know that you shouldn't ever keep any tank/bowl/vase or
whatever in direct sunlight? That's about as common knowledge as you
need to add water to a tank. LOL

## LOL!!! :-D And they thrive and build bubble nests in these bowls all
their long lives.

Not everyone has the money or space for 2 to 3 gallon
heated, filtered tanks per betta

If somebody didn't have the money to properly care for a certain
animal, then said person should have gotten the animal. That's quite
obvious.

## And yet millions of bettas live out their lives in other than heated,
filtered 2 to 3 gallon tanks.

You tend to think by saying the same thing over and over that it's
going to make it better or true. It doesn't.

## Then why are you repeating yourself over and over and over? If only
people who could afford a filtered, heated tanks for their bettas bought
them - few bettas would be sold at all. Breeders would be eating
them.........
--
Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o
Again....
Breeders have heated fish rooms!!! They don't need to have separate
heaters ine ach tank because of this.
By the way....
Bettas will blow bubble nests out of boredom too. It does NOT mean that
they are thriving.
Again, you lack of knowledge on these fish is showing.
Everything I have said is NOT my opinion and can be checked for facts
anywhere online.
It is, however, my opinion that they should be housed in tanks *over* a
gallon. It is NOT my opinion that a 1 gallon is a minimum size tank.
Again, that can be checked for facts on many sites and in books.
Please stop calling everything I recommend for Bettas "My opinion". 99%
of it are true facts and have nothing to do with my personal opinions.
My personal opinion is to not house them in anything under 2gal for any
legnth of time. For short periods, sure. For life, no. However, that is
my opinion. The facts are that nothing under a gallon should be
considered for lifetime quarters.
Breeders do not keep males around for the rest of their lives, as you
seem to think.
Breeding males are used from the age of 4/6 months of age to about 8
months old is getting too old. They are then sold with the rest of
their stock for sale.
Living in smaller quarters at the breeder's house is for several months
only.
Usually, any special ones that are kept as pets are kept in proper size
tanks.
The breeders that mention that have had Bettas in tiny containers all
over the place and not in a heated room is obviously a poor breeder, or
just starting out without the proper setup, doesn't know the proper
conditions, or doesn't give a crap.
If these breeders are top notch they would be doing it the proper way.
I'm sure these "many breeders" have web sites showing their fish
rooms..oh wait...that's right.....they don't have fish rooms.

"Tynk" wrote in message
oups.com...

Koi-lo wrote:
## Then why are you repeating yourself over and over and over? If only
people who could afford a filtered, heated tanks for their bettas bought
them - few bettas would be sold at all. Breeders would be eating
them.........
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o

Again....
Breeders have heated fish rooms!!! They don't need to have separate
heaters ine ach tank because of this.

## The point was no one would buy them in the petshops if they had to spend
another $35 on a 2 gallon tank, heater and filter. What would the breeders
do if no one would buy their fish?

By the way....
Bettas will blow bubble nests out of boredom too. It does NOT mean that
they are thriving.
Again, you lack of knowledge on these fish is showing.

## So is yours since they live for 4 years, sometimes a few months more.
They can get just as bored in a 2 gallon filtered heated tank.

Everything I have said is NOT my opinion and can be checked for facts
anywhere online.

## I already have.

It is, however, my opinion that they should be housed in tanks *over* a
gallon. It is NOT my opinion that a 1 gallon is a minimum size tank.
Again, that can be checked for facts on many sites and in books.

## Read some other websites. I did. They recommend changing the water
every 3 days if in less than 1 gallon. With gravel and a plant there is no
ammonia so a week works fine.

Please stop calling everything I recommend for Bettas "My opinion". 99%
of it are true facts and have nothing to do with my personal opinions.

## The FACTS is they can live their entire lives in 1/2 gallon containers
if the water quality is keep pristine and they're not overfed with funguses
and rotting food on the bottom.

My personal opinion is to not house them in anything under 2gal for any
legnth of time. For short periods, sure. For life, no. However, that is
my opinion. The facts are that nothing under a gallon should be
considered for lifetime quarters.
Breeders do not keep males around for the rest of their lives, as you
seem to think.

## Of course not. They sell them after a few spawns not knowing what kind of
home the fish will get. Have you seen the conditions they're kept under at
Wally World for example or some of the chain pet stores? Who do you think
will come along and buy them? Not someone with $35 to $40 who plans to buy
a 1 or 2 gallon tank for them plus a heater and filter. Who is at these
stores *saving* these fish? Have you done anything other than post here to
stop the horrendous abuse of bettas and fish in general out there?

Breeding males are used from the age of 4/6 months of age to about 8
months old is getting too old. They are then sold with the rest of
their stock for sale.
Living in smaller quarters at the breeder's house is for several months
only.

## What makes you think all the fish you sell are ending up in 1 to 2 gallon
heated, filtered tanks? Once they go out your door you have no idea what
will happen to them.

Usually, any special ones that are kept as pets are kept in proper size
tanks.
The breeders that mention that have had Bettas in tiny containers all
over the place and not in a heated room is obviously a poor breeder, or
just starting out without the proper setup, doesn't know the proper
conditions, or doesn't give a crap.

## Again, you seem to think everyone can afford an extra room (extra rent)
plus heating it to tropical conditions (higher utility bills) and/or
everyone lives in a house - just for their fish! You need to face the fact
that most bettas sold these days are going to end up in a bowl in someone's
home or apartment. Most will probably be dead in a few months - if they
last that long when the novelty wears off.

If these breeders are top notch they would be doing it the proper way.
I'm sure these "many breeders" have web sites showing their fish
rooms..oh wait...that's right.....they don't have fish rooms.

## Being sarcastic gets you nowhere. If everyone who bought a betta had to
spend another $35- $40 for a tank, heater and filter the betta breeders
would be eating their fish - there wouldn't be enough customers to buy them.
That was the point that sailed right over your head. Now if you really gave
a damn you would be out there fighting for better care of the fish in stores
like the non-pet chains instead of ragging on people (whose bettas are
living 4 years) here on a NG..........

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o