transplanted bubble nest/update red betta

[Nikki]

has anyone ever tried using the bubble nest of another betta to get the one
you are breeding started. I have a betta I am breeding and he usually has a
bubble next however since trying to breed him he has refused to build one, I
put some of another's betta bubble nest in there to see if he gets the clue,
I have read of this being done but never did it before...is it likely to
work
Nik

On another note, my red betta is still not swimming....I been using the
Epsom salt and pea but in three days he has only pooped *I think* once and
it was very small and maybe could of been something else, I can not get to
the store for antibiotics..my neighbor is going out today or tomorrow so I
hope I can have her grab them for me, to see if that will work, I am not
feeding him no pea's today at all.

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"Nikki" > wrote in message
. ..
> has anyone ever tried using the bubble nest of another betta to get the
one
> you are breeding started. I have a betta I am breeding and he usually has
a
> bubble next however since trying to breed him he has refused to build one,
I
> put some of another's betta bubble nest in there to see if he gets the
clue,
> I have read of this being done but never did it before...is it likely to
> work
> Nik
>
> On another note, my red betta is still not swimming....I been using the
> Epsom salt and pea but in three days he has only pooped *I think* once and
> it was very small and maybe could of been something else, I can not get to
> the store for antibiotics..my neighbor is going out today or tomorrow so I
> hope I can have her grab them for me, to see if that will work, I am not
> feeding him no pea's today at all.
>
>
I've read that a 10 minute epson bath is the practice for constipation in
fish. Is this rule correct (avg) or should the soak time go for a longer
period?

[Nikki]

"-ED" > wrote in message
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>
> "Nikki" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> has anyone ever tried using the bubble nest of another betta to get the
> one
>> you are breeding started. I have a betta I am breeding and he usually has
> a
>> bubble next however since trying to breed him he has refused to build
>> one,
> I
>> put some of another's betta bubble nest in there to see if he gets the
> clue,
>> I have read of this being done but never did it before...is it likely to
>> work
>> Nik
>>
>> On another note, my red betta is still not swimming....I been using the
>> Epsom salt and pea but in three days he has only pooped *I think* once
>> and
>> it was very small and maybe could of been something else, I can not get
>> to
>> the store for antibiotics..my neighbor is going out today or tomorrow so
>> I
>> hope I can have her grab them for me, to see if that will work, I am not
>> feeding him no pea's today at all.
>>
>>
> I've read that a 10 minute epson bath is the practice for constipation in
> fish. Is this rule correct (avg) or should the soak time go for a longer
> period?
>
>
That is the difference me and frank were talking about...I have always done
1-tablespoon per gallon for 15-20 minutes then put the fish back in normal
water....however frank said to do 1 -tablespoon per 5 gallons and let them
stay in it.....which is what I have been doing, but today I am going to try
the higher dose 15 min bath.
If you are going to do it, I would try giving a pea first for constipation,
just take the shell off, if that is why you are trying to treat, giving a
pea is a lot less stressful then putting them in anything (not that the
Epsom salt is a problem) but its always best to do less if possible, if the
pea don't work in a day then try the Epsom salt. I have my betta in a clear
hex containter so i could see if he was pooping or not. I dont know how you
would tell in the tank other then to watch for the swelling to go down. Ed,
i remember you said your betta was bloated ....is he/she having problems
swimming or staying up in the water? Females will look quite big when
holding eggs, i have one that is quite big.. If you do the higher dose for
the bath 15-20 i would not leave them longer then that, and watch during
that time
Nik

[Koi-Lo]

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"Nikki" > wrote in message
. ..
> has anyone ever tried using the bubble nest of another betta to get the
> one you are breeding started. I have a betta I am breeding and he usually
> has a bubble next however since trying to breed him he has refused to
> build one, I put some of another's betta bubble nest in there to see if he
> gets the clue, I have read of this being done but never did it before...is
> it likely to work
====================
I don't think that will work. If you set him up in a 10g tank with 5" of
water, plants (preferably floating plants) and keep him at 82F and very well
fed, he should make a nest. If not, then he's not ready to breed or
something else is wrong.

They make nests for me but have never successfully bred here where the water
is very hard and alkaline.
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"Nikki" > wrote in message
...
>
> "-ED" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Nikki" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >> has anyone ever tried using the bubble nest of another betta to get the
> > one
> >> you are breeding started. I have a betta I am breeding and he usually
has
> > a
> >> bubble next however since trying to breed him he has refused to build
> >> one,
> > I
> >> put some of another's betta bubble nest in there to see if he gets the
> > clue,
> >> I have read of this being done but never did it before...is it likely
to
> >> work
> >> Nik
> >>
> >> On another note, my red betta is still not swimming....I been using the
> >> Epsom salt and pea but in three days he has only pooped *I think* once
> >> and
> >> it was very small and maybe could of been something else, I can not get
> >> to
> >> the store for antibiotics..my neighbor is going out today or tomorrow
so
> >> I
> >> hope I can have her grab them for me, to see if that will work, I am
not
> >> feeding him no pea's today at all.
> >>
> >>
> > I've read that a 10 minute epson bath is the practice for constipation
in
> > fish. Is this rule correct (avg) or should the soak time go for a
longer
> > period?
> >
> >
> That is the difference me and frank were talking about...I have always
done
> 1-tablespoon per gallon for 15-20 minutes then put the fish back in normal
> water....however frank said to do 1 -tablespoon per 5 gallons and let them
> stay in it.....which is what I have been doing, but today I am going to
try
> the higher dose 15 min bath.
> If you are going to do it, I would try giving a pea first for
constipation,
> just take the shell off, if that is why you are trying to treat, giving a
> pea is a lot less stressful then putting them in anything (not that the
> Epsom salt is a problem) but its always best to do less if possible, if
the
> pea don't work in a day then try the Epsom salt. I have my betta in a
clear
> hex containter so i could see if he was pooping or not. I dont know how
you
> would tell in the tank other then to watch for the swelling to go down.
Ed,
> i remember you said your betta was bloated ....is he/she having problems
> swimming or staying up in the water? Females will look quite big when
> holding eggs, i have one that is quite big.. If you do the higher dose for
> the bath 15-20 i would not leave them longer then that, and watch during
> that time
> Nik
>
>
Yes..she has the same look about her prior to her first(?assuming) egg
release.
Yesterday she prefered to hang about the bottom...coming up for a gulp of
air from time to time. Then she nestled by the intake of the filter...(I
did a 10 gal water change yesterday morn with the AquaSafe). This morning
She was still by the intake, nose down..so I lost her...I unplugged the
filter, grabbed the net..and She perked up and came to the surface waiting
to be fed..
I went to the store right after posting, picked up the epson, drew a 2
gallon bucket of tank water and added 2 tablespoons of the salt. I let her
stay in there a good 20 minutes. Since this is my first rodeo with
constipation and epson, that's all I can report on.
As I understand it, a 55 gal really equates to about 47 gal in actual
volume. Given the 75# (thereabouts) of gravel/sand...(a couple red
sandstones displacing close to a gallon), with plants, I'd guess my tank
volume is around 38 gals. I'm trying to comprise this list as accurately as
I can to help ya'll determine the tanks's conditions. I don't have a water
tester, it's been a month cycling. I was told to let the tank run its
course but the scare of ammonia/nitrite concentrations forced me to do the
water change yesterday when I saw her hanging about the water. Remember, I
have only the two bettas in this tank, and I was told that the cycling would
take a while under these conditions. And I really appreciate the
suggestions here. Thanks 'bunch...-ED

[Nikki]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
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> "Nikki" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> has anyone ever tried using the bubble nest of another betta to get the
>> one you are breeding started. I have a betta I am breeding and he usually
>> has a bubble next however since trying to breed him he has refused to
>> build one, I put some of another's betta bubble nest in there to see if
>> he gets the clue, I have read of this being done but never did it
>> before...is it likely to work
> ====================
> I don't think that will work. If you set him up in a 10g tank with 5" of
> water, plants (preferably floating plants) and keep him at 82F and very
> well fed, he should make a nest. If not, then he's not ready to breed or
> something else is wrong.
>
> They make nests for me but have never successfully bred here where the
> water is very hard and alkaline.
> --
> Koi-Lo....
> Frugal ponding since 1995.
> Aquariums since 1952.
> My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
> http://tinyurl.com/9do58
> *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on
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>
Yeah I know how to breed them...not really the problem, but any way it
worked out about a half hour after putting the bubble nest from another
betta in there he started adding to it and made his own, so all is well, he
was a little preoccupied with her and I think forgot....the problem with him
is he is not mean at all, he has no problem with other fish i think
including betta's, he is just happy as can be to have her there....so its a
little strange, not like a normal spawn....they are just kind of hanging out
together at this point but he did get the idea and built on to the nest...
Nik

[Koi-Lo]

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"Nikki" > wrote in message
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>
> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
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>> They make nests for me but have never successfully bred here where the
>> water is very hard and alkaline.
===========================>>

> Yeah I know how to breed them...not really the problem, but any way it
> worked out about a half hour after putting the bubble nest from another
> betta in there he started adding to it and made his own, so all is well,
> he was a little preoccupied with her and I think forgot....the problem
> with him is he is not mean at all, he has no problem with other fish i
> think including betta's, he is just happy as can be to have her
> there....so its a little strange, not like a normal spawn..

I'll say! But then they're all individuals. I remember a blue betta I had
in the 1960s. What a sweetie he was. He never ripped the females fins and
almost always bred with any ripe female I put in his tank. He never ate the
fry and was an excellent father. You just don't find many like that. I had
males that wouldn't accept any females and died fryless amid their bubble
nests. Of course the rest were somewhere in-between.

...they are just kind of hanging out
> together at this point but he did get the idea and built on to the nest...
> Nik

That's very interesting. :-)
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[Nikki]

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> "Nikki" > wrote in message
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>> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> They make nests for me but have never successfully bred here where the
>>> water is very hard and alkaline.
> ===========================>>
>
>> Yeah I know how to breed them...not really the problem, but any way it
>> worked out about a half hour after putting the bubble nest from another
>> betta in there he started adding to it and made his own, so all is well,
>> he was a little preoccupied with her and I think forgot....the problem
>> with him is he is not mean at all, he has no problem with other fish i
>> think including betta's, he is just happy as can be to have her
>> there....so its a little strange, not like a normal spawn..
>
> I'll say! But then they're all individuals. I remember a blue betta I
> had in the 1960s. What a sweetie he was. He never ripped the females
> fins and almost always bred with any ripe female I put in his tank. He
> never ate the fry and was an excellent father. You just don't find many
> like that. I had males that wouldn't accept any females and died fryless
> amid their bubble nests. Of course the rest were somewhere in-between.
>
> ..they are just kind of hanging out
>> together at this point but he did get the idea and built on to the
>> nest...
>> Nik
>
> That's very interesting. :-)
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he is a blue betta also....thats funny, he is a sweetie...now if he would
quite making nice and get to bussiness i would be happy...
Nik

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>> "Nikki" > wrote in message
> he is a blue betta also....thats funny, he is a sweetie...now if he would
> quite making nice and get to bussiness i would be happy...
=======================
LOL!! Give him a chance. He'll most likely get down to business when you
least expect it. ;-) Before you know it you'll be crawling in fry. You
need to start saving jars and containers to put them in when they need to be
separated. Some spawns are pretty darn big.
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> "-ED" > wrote in message
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> >
> > "Nikki" > wrote in message

> >>
> >> On another note, my red betta is still not swimming....I been using the
> >> Epsom salt and pea but..
> >>
> > I've read that a 10 minute epson bath is the practice for constipation
in
> > fish. Is this rule correct (avg) or should the soak time go for a
longer
> > period?
> >
> >
> That is the difference me and frank were talking about...I have always
done
> 1-tablespoon per gallon for 15-20 minutes then put the fish back in normal
> water....however frank said to do 1 -tablespoon per 5 gallons and let them
> stay in it.....which is what I have been doing, but today I am going to
try
> the higher dose 15 min bath.


Well, I'm happy to report that my girlie betta appears fine...I can't say if
she passed alot of waste from the salt bath, but she's perked up and appears
to be happy with the world..Old boy is chasing her around abit now and
then...Thanks for the tips...

[Nikki]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
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>>> "Nikki" > wrote in message
>> he is a blue betta also....thats funny, he is a sweetie...now if he
>> would quite making nice and get to bussiness i would be happy...
> =======================
> LOL!! Give him a chance. He'll most likely get down to business when you
> least expect it. ;-) Before you know it you'll be crawling in fry. You
> need to start saving jars and containers to put them in when they need to
> be separated. Some spawns are pretty darn big.
> --
> Koi-Lo....
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> Aquariums since 1952.
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I got these really neat containers, have a hole in the middle of the lid for
air and are not a bad size, female bettas are sold in them, I got some from
a store a while back, the girl just gave me a stack of them, which was
nice....its funny how different bettas are from one another..I want to get a
yellow and black and I think unless I get them on the net I am not going to
find them here.
thanks koi-lo...let you know what happens
Nik

[Koi-Lo]

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Pecking at the keyboard with two fingers <Nikki> at
> turned out this gem:

>
> I got these really neat containers, have a hole in the middle of the
> lid for air and are not a bad size, female bettas are sold in them, I
> got some from a store a while back, the girl just gave me a stack of
> them, which was nice....

I know the ones you mean. Wally World sometimes sells their bettas in them.
:-) I saved mine as well.

its funny how different bettas are from one
> another..I want to get a yellow and black and I think unless I get
> them on the net I am not going to find them here.
> thanks koi-lo...let you know what happens

I got a beautiful pure yellow from PetsMart about 5 years ago and haven't
seen them anywhere since. I hope you find one. Good luck!

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[Nikki]

"Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
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>
> Pecking at the keyboard with two fingers <Nikki> at
> > turned out this gem:
>
>>
>> I got these really neat containers, have a hole in the middle of the
>> lid for air and are not a bad size, female bettas are sold in them, I
>> got some from a store a while back, the girl just gave me a stack of
>> them, which was nice....
>
> I know the ones you mean. Wally World sometimes sells their bettas in
> them. :-) I saved mine as well.
>
> its funny how different bettas are from one
>> another..I want to get a yellow and black and I think unless I get
>> them on the net I am not going to find them here.
>> thanks koi-lo...let you know what happens
>
> I got a beautiful pure yellow from PetsMart about 5 years ago and haven't
> seen them anywhere since. I hope you find one. Good luck!
>
> --
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My husband always is dragging me away from the betta place in the
store...but I have looked at the *reg* pet stores and all I ever see are
blue (mixed with some red) or all red, white body w/ some color fins usually
mixed, and some are very pretty but not for breeding, I know a couple
breeders in this area and have got a couple betta's from them, but they
never have black or yellow either, I seen a purple one on the net the other
day but I am wondering if it was just the cam or the way the pic was taken
but it was pretty...
Nik

[Koi-Lo]

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"Nikki" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Koi-Lo" > wrote in message
>> I got a beautiful pure yellow from PetsMart about 5 years ago and haven't
>> seen them anywhere since. I hope you find one. Good luck!
>>========
> My husband always is dragging me away from the betta place in the
> store...but I have looked at the *reg* pet stores and all I ever see are
> blue (mixed with some red) or all red, white body w/ some color fins
> usually mixed, and some are very pretty but not for breeding,

When I fish shop I leave my dear hubby at home. :-) I always stop to chat
with any workers I know. I like to look over every tank several times and
check out all the new stuff they get in. Having someone with me doesn't
work unless they're another fish freak. We have those same old colors here
as well. I haven't seen a decent green or yellow betta in years. Some are
very poor reds and blues. Some are almost colorless. I'm starting to
wonder if they even cull them before selling them to the wholesalers.

I know a couple
> breeders in this area and have got a couple betta's from them, but they
> never have black or yellow either, I seen a purple one on the net the
> other day but I am wondering if it was just the cam or the way the pic was
> taken but it was pretty...
> Nik

Ordering them online would be costly. They don't offer the $3.99 to $5.99
bettas either. Then you have the shipping charges to consider.
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