transplanted bubble nest/update red betta

has anyone ever tried using the bubble nest of another betta to get the one
you are breeding started. I have a betta I am breeding and he usually has a
bubble next however since trying to breed him he has refused to build one, I
put some of another's betta bubble nest in there to see if he gets the clue,
I have read of this being done but never did it before...is it likely to
work
Nik

On another note, my red betta is still not swimming....I been using the
Epsom salt and pea but in three days he has only pooped *I think* once and
it was very small and maybe could of been something else, I can not get to
the store for antibiotics..my neighbor is going out today or tomorrow so I
hope I can have her grab them for me, to see if that will work, I am not
feeding him no pea's today at all.

"Nikki" wrote in message
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has anyone ever tried using the bubble nest of another betta to get the
one
you are breeding started. I have a betta I am breeding and he usually has
a
bubble next however since trying to breed him he has refused to build one,
I
put some of another's betta bubble nest in there to see if he gets the
clue,
I have read of this being done but never did it before...is it likely to
work
Nik

On another note, my red betta is still not swimming....I been using the
Epsom salt and pea but in three days he has only pooped *I think* once and
it was very small and maybe could of been something else, I can not get to
the store for antibiotics..my neighbor is going out today or tomorrow so I
hope I can have her grab them for me, to see if that will work, I am not
feeding him no pea's today at all.


I've read that a 10 minute epson bath is the practice for constipation in
fish. Is this rule correct (avg) or should the soak time go for a longer
period?

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"Nikki" wrote in message
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has anyone ever tried using the bubble nest of another betta to get the
one
you are breeding started. I have a betta I am breeding and he usually has
a
bubble next however since trying to breed him he has refused to build
one,
I
put some of another's betta bubble nest in there to see if he gets the
clue,
I have read of this being done but never did it before...is it likely to
work
Nik

On another note, my red betta is still not swimming....I been using the
Epsom salt and pea but in three days he has only pooped *I think* once
and
it was very small and maybe could of been something else, I can not get
to
the store for antibiotics..my neighbor is going out today or tomorrow so
I
hope I can have her grab them for me, to see if that will work, I am not
feeding him no pea's today at all.


I've read that a 10 minute epson bath is the practice for constipation in
fish. Is this rule correct (avg) or should the soak time go for a longer
period?


That is the difference me and frank were talking about...I have always done
1-tablespoon per gallon for 15-20 minutes then put the fish back in normal
water....however frank said to do 1 -tablespoon per 5 gallons and let them
stay in it.....which is what I have been doing, but today I am going to try
the higher dose 15 min bath.
If you are going to do it, I would try giving a pea first for constipation,
just take the shell off, if that is why you are trying to treat, giving a
pea is a lot less stressful then putting them in anything (not that the
Epsom salt is a problem) but its always best to do less if possible, if the
pea don't work in a day then try the Epsom salt. I have my betta in a clear
hex containter so i could see if he was pooping or not. I dont know how you
would tell in the tank other then to watch for the swelling to go down. Ed,
i remember you said your betta was bloated ....is he/she having problems
swimming or staying up in the water? Females will look quite big when
holding eggs, i have one that is quite big.. If you do the higher dose for
the bath 15-20 i would not leave them longer then that, and watch during
that time
Nik

"Nikki" wrote in message
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"Nikki" wrote in message
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has anyone ever tried using the bubble nest of another betta to get the
one
you are breeding started. I have a betta I am breeding and he usually
has
a
bubble next however since trying to breed him he has refused to build
one,
I
put some of another's betta bubble nest in there to see if he gets the
clue,
I have read of this being done but never did it before...is it likely
to
work
Nik

On another note, my red betta is still not swimming....I been using the
Epsom salt and pea but in three days he has only pooped *I think* once
and
it was very small and maybe could of been something else, I can not get
to
the store for antibiotics..my neighbor is going out today or tomorrow
so
I
hope I can have her grab them for me, to see if that will work, I am
not
feeding him no pea's today at all.


I've read that a 10 minute epson bath is the practice for constipation
in
fish. Is this rule correct (avg) or should the soak time go for a
longer
period?


That is the difference me and frank were talking about...I have always
done
1-tablespoon per gallon for 15-20 minutes then put the fish back in normal
water....however frank said to do 1 -tablespoon per 5 gallons and let them
stay in it.....which is what I have been doing, but today I am going to
try
the higher dose 15 min bath.
If you are going to do it, I would try giving a pea first for
constipation,
just take the shell off, if that is why you are trying to treat, giving a
pea is a lot less stressful then putting them in anything (not that the
Epsom salt is a problem) but its always best to do less if possible, if
the
pea don't work in a day then try the Epsom salt. I have my betta in a
clear
hex containter so i could see if he was pooping or not. I dont know how
you
would tell in the tank other then to watch for the swelling to go down.
Ed,
i remember you said your betta was bloated ....is he/she having problems
swimming or staying up in the water? Females will look quite big when
holding eggs, i have one that is quite big.. If you do the higher dose for
the bath 15-20 i would not leave them longer then that, and watch during
that time
Nik


Yes..she has the same look about her prior to her first(?assuming) egg
release.
Yesterday she prefered to hang about the bottom...coming up for a gulp of
air from time to time. Then she nestled by the intake of the filter...(I
did a 10 gal water change yesterday morn with the AquaSafe). This morning
She was still by the intake, nose down..so I lost her...I unplugged the
filter, grabbed the net..and She perked up and came to the surface waiting
to be fed..
I went to the store right after posting, picked up the epson, drew a 2
gallon bucket of tank water and added 2 tablespoons of the salt. I let her
stay in there a good 20 minutes. Since this is my first rodeo with
constipation and epson, that's all I can report on.
As I understand it, a 55 gal really equates to about 47 gal in actual
volume. Given the 75# (thereabouts) of gravel/sand...(a couple red
sandstones displacing close to a gallon), with plants, I'd guess my tank
volume is around 38 gals. I'm trying to comprise this list as accurately as
I can to help ya'll determine the tanks's conditions. I don't have a water
tester, it's been a month cycling. I was told to let the tank run its
course but the scare of ammonia/nitrite concentrations forced me to do the
water change yesterday when I saw her hanging about the water. Remember, I
have only the two bettas in this tank, and I was told that the cycling would
take a while under these conditions. And I really appreciate the
suggestions here. Thanks 'bunch...-ED

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"Nikki" wrote in message


On another note, my red betta is still not swimming....I been using the
Epsom salt and pea but..

I've read that a 10 minute epson bath is the practice for constipation
in
fish. Is this rule correct (avg) or should the soak time go for a
longer
period?


That is the difference me and frank were talking about...I have always
done
1-tablespoon per gallon for 15-20 minutes then put the fish back in normal
water....however frank said to do 1 -tablespoon per 5 gallons and let them
stay in it.....which is what I have been doing, but today I am going to
try
the higher dose 15 min bath.


Well, I'm happy to report that my girlie betta appears fine...I can't say if
she passed alot of waste from the salt bath, but she's perked up and appears
to be happy with the world..Old boy is chasing her around abit now and
then...Thanks for the tips...

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"Nikki" wrote in message
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has anyone ever tried using the bubble nest of another betta to get the
one you are breeding started. I have a betta I am breeding and he usually
has a bubble next however since trying to breed him he has refused to
build one, I put some of another's betta bubble nest in there to see if he
gets the clue, I have read of this being done but never did it before...is
it likely to work
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I don't think that will work. If you set him up in a 10g tank with 5" of
water, plants (preferably floating plants) and keep him at 82F and very well
fed, he should make a nest. If not, then he's not ready to breed or
something else is wrong.

They make nests for me but have never successfully bred here where the water
is very hard and alkaline.
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"Nikki" wrote in message
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has anyone ever tried using the bubble nest of another betta to get the
one you are breeding started. I have a betta I am breeding and he usually
has a bubble next however since trying to breed him he has refused to
build one, I put some of another's betta bubble nest in there to see if
he gets the clue, I have read of this being done but never did it
before...is it likely to work
====================
I don't think that will work. If you set him up in a 10g tank with 5" of
water, plants (preferably floating plants) and keep him at 82F and very
well fed, he should make a nest. If not, then he's not ready to breed or
something else is wrong.

They make nests for me but have never successfully bred here where the
water is very hard and alkaline.
--
Koi-Lo....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
*Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on
the pond and aquaria groups.
Aquarium FAQ are at: http://faq.thekrib.com/
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Yeah I know how to breed them...not really the problem, but any way it
worked out about a half hour after putting the bubble nest from another
betta in there he started adding to it and made his own, so all is well, he
was a little preoccupied with her and I think forgot....the problem with him
is he is not mean at all, he has no problem with other fish i think
including betta's, he is just happy as can be to have her there....so its a
little strange, not like a normal spawn....they are just kind of hanging out
together at this point but he did get the idea and built on to the nest...
Nik

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They make nests for me but have never successfully bred here where the
water is very hard and alkaline.
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Yeah I know how to breed them...not really the problem, but any way it
worked out about a half hour after putting the bubble nest from another
betta in there he started adding to it and made his own, so all is well,
he was a little preoccupied with her and I think forgot....the problem
with him is he is not mean at all, he has no problem with other fish i
think including betta's, he is just happy as can be to have her
there....so its a little strange, not like a normal spawn..

I'll say! But then they're all individuals. I remember a blue betta I had
in the 1960s. What a sweetie he was. He never ripped the females fins and
almost always bred with any ripe female I put in his tank. He never ate the
fry and was an excellent father. You just don't find many like that. I had
males that wouldn't accept any females and died fryless amid their bubble
nests. Of course the rest were somewhere in-between.

...they are just kind of hanging out
together at this point but he did get the idea and built on to the nest...
Nik

That's very interesting. :-)
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"Koi-Lo" wrote in message

They make nests for me but have never successfully bred here where the
water is very hard and alkaline.
===========================

Yeah I know how to breed them...not really the problem, but any way it
worked out about a half hour after putting the bubble nest from another
betta in there he started adding to it and made his own, so all is well,
he was a little preoccupied with her and I think forgot....the problem
with him is he is not mean at all, he has no problem with other fish i
think including betta's, he is just happy as can be to have her
there....so its a little strange, not like a normal spawn..

I'll say! But then they're all individuals. I remember a blue betta I
had in the 1960s. What a sweetie he was. He never ripped the females
fins and almost always bred with any ripe female I put in his tank. He
never ate the fry and was an excellent father. You just don't find many
like that. I had males that wouldn't accept any females and died fryless
amid their bubble nests. Of course the rest were somewhere in-between.

..they are just kind of hanging out
together at this point but he did get the idea and built on to the
nest...
Nik

That's very interesting. :-)
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he is a blue betta also....thats funny, he is a sweetie...now if he would
quite making nice and get to bussiness i would be happy...
Nik

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he is a blue betta also....thats funny, he is a sweetie...now if he would
quite making nice and get to bussiness i would be happy...
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LOL!! Give him a chance. He'll most likely get down to business when you
least expect it. ;-) Before you know it you'll be crawling in fry. You
need to start saving jars and containers to put them in when they need to be
separated. Some spawns are pretty darn big.
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